Sabbath

[Glitter]

Hello Glitter I am curious to know how you plan to observe/keep the Sabbath as obeying a command, since for the Jews, this meant they could not even strike a match to light a fire. Likewise, carrying anything in a pocket would be considered a work. How the Jews thought of Sabbath keeping was wrong, according to Jesus, Who was accused of breaking the Sabbath... which would disqualify Him as being the perfect Lamb of God because, if Christ broke any law or commandment, His sacrifice on our behalf to pay the sin debt would not have been acceptable to God. Jesus told them they had put human tradition ahead of God's intent, saying, "Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."

Hi, Magenta, what I understand is that by the time that Jesus came on the scene, the Jews had added many, many Sabbath rules that God had never intended nor agreed with. For the past two years I've believed what you believe about the Sabbath, though I' have been questioning it lately. I have the nagging thought that there must have been some significance to God taking a break on the seventh day. Plus most of the reformed pastors, whom I trust, believe in Sabbath keeping, though I believe they keep it on Sunday now. I lean toward reformed teachings, so I'll probably stick with it for now. Thanks for responding. 🤗

 

[posthuman]

Plus most of the reformed pastors, whom I trust, believe in Sabbath keeping, though I believe they keep it on Sunday now.

these pastors work every Sunday.

 

[Magenta]

these pastors work every Sunday.

Exactly. And in the past, the priests who blathered on about keeping the Sabbath worked hard
on the Sabbath, possibly harder than any other day of the week. Jesus called them hypocrites.

 

[Magenta]

The significance of God taking a break on the seventh day, of resting from His work,
was, as many things in the Old Testament, a foreshadowing of Christ. God ceased from
His labors to establish the principle of the Sabbath day rest for His people, for the
awaited Messiah would provide a permanent rest for those who believe. Therefore, since
the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found
to have fallen short of it. For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just
as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did
not share the faith of those who obeyed. Now we who have believed enter that rest...

Anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His.

No longer need we labor and strive to keep laws and ceremonial ordinances to attain
God's favor. Jesus alone satisfied the requirements of the Law, and He alone provides
the sacrifice that atones for sin, being the sole means of salvation.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....

“For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:18-19‬ ‭


This commandment is Old Testament it’s part of the law of “sin and death “ and can’t benifit us regarding the spirit

“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord:

whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭35:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the sabbath in the New Testament is understood in these terms as the ot commandment was a shadow the reality is here


“Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:1-11‬ ‭

Our sabbath rest is found when we enter into our rest with him

“And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we are doing good on any day God approves , if we are doing evil on any day God is against it this world is our work week and our sabbath is when we leave work for home

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Thanks for asking this. I'm a fairly new Christian and have been so confused by this. I believe it's still a commandment for us, though I'm not sure what it means. I mean, can I purchase anything or do a laundry?

Do you follow the new testament, old testament or both when It comes to Salvation?

 

[TMS]

“For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:18-19‬ ‭


This commandment is Old Testament it’s part of the law of “sin and death “ and can’t benifit us regarding the spirit

“Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord:

whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭35:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the sabbath in the New Testament is understood in these terms as the ot commandment was a shadow the reality is here


“Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:1-11‬ ‭

Our sabbath rest is found when we enter into our rest with him

“And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we are doing good on any day God approves , if we are doing evil on any day God is against it this world is our work week and our sabbath is when we leave work for home

Our rest is in Jesus alone, our only hope is Christ, when we work to gain favour with God we are not resting in the faith of Jesus' righteousness.

If we keep the sabbath to the perfect standard without faith it is useless (like the Pharisees).

where does it say that the ten commandments are made void? Sure the laws of types and shadows that pointed to Jesus were made void, but we are told to obey the law in the New testament many times.

If there is no law there is no sin.

what is the law that we are told not to make void by grace?


Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

verse 6 states that we are delivered from the law.
Jesus has obeyed it and paid our debt of disobedience. This is Grace. Praise God.
but we are told to serve in newness of Spirit. Don't obey to be saved but serve because you are saved and serve in the power of the Spirit.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Does grace mean we forget about the law? God forbid..

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[phil36]

Personally I agree with both of these statements (had them handy as I just used them on another thread). They may be helpful in clarification on the historic protestant reading from scripture.


Here are two early confessions of faith springing from the reformation that brought the church back to its biblical roots. This what they have gleamed from scripture.

Baptist confession of Faith 1689.

Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day -

PARAGRAPH 7

As it is the law of nature, that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, be set apart for the worship of God, so by his Word, in a positive moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, he has particularly appointed one day in seven for a sabbath to be kept holy unto him,28 which from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ was changed into the first day of the week, which is called the Lord's Day:29 and is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished.

28 Exod. 20:8
29 1 Cor. 16:1–2; Acts 20:7; Rev. 1:10

PARAGRAPH 8
The sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering their common affairs aforehand, do not only observe a holy rest all day, from their own works, words and thoughts, about their worldly employment and recreations,30 but are also taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.31
30 Isa. 58:13; Neh. 13:15–22
31 Matt. 12:1–13


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Westminster Confession of Faith 1647.

II. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him [k] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(l) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord’s Day,(m) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[o]

(k) Exod. 20:8, 10, 11; Isa. 56:2, 4, 6, 7.
(l) Gen. 2:2, 3; I Cor. 16:1, 2; Acts 20:7.
(m) Rev. 1:10.
[o]Exod. 20:8, 10, with Matt. 5:17, 18.

VIII. This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations,(o) but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(p)

(o) Exod. 20:8; Exod. 16:23, 25, 26, 29, 30; Exod. 31:15, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13; Neh. 13:15 - 19, 21, 22.
(p) Isa. 58:13; Matt. 12:1 to 13.

 

[TMS]

Do you follow the new testament, old testament or both when It comes to Salvation?

Both... the old testament conditions for salvation were no different to today. The Blood of Jesus is the only way. They looked forward in faith to a coming saviour we look back in faith to our righteous saviour. They could not earn salvation by keeping any laws and we can't earn it today.

Please show me how the conditions for salvation were different in the old testament times?

 

[TMS]

Personally I agree with both of these statements (had them handy as I just used them on another thread). They may be helpful in clarification on the historic protestant reading from scripture.


Here are two early confessions of faith springing from the reformation that brought the church back to its biblical roots. This what they have gleamed from scripture.

Baptist confession of Faith 1689.

Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day -

PARAGRAPH 7

As it is the law of nature, that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, be set apart for the worship of God, so by his Word, in a positive moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, he has particularly appointed one day in seven for a sabbath to be kept holy unto him,28 which from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ was changed into the first day of the week, which is called the Lord's Day:29 and is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished.

28 Exod. 20:8
29 1 Cor. 16:1–2; Acts 20:7; Rev. 1:10

PARAGRAPH 8
The sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering their common affairs aforehand, do not only observe a holy rest all day, from their own works, words and thoughts, about their worldly employment and recreations,30 but are also taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.31
30 Isa. 58:13; Neh. 13:15–22
31 Matt. 12:1–13


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Westminster Confession of Faith 1647.

II. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him [k] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(l) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord’s Day,(m) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[o]

(k) Exod. 20:8, 10, 11; Isa. 56:2, 4, 6, 7.
(l) Gen. 2:2, 3; I Cor. 16:1, 2; Acts 20:7.
(m) Rev. 1:10.
[o]Exod. 20:8, 10, with Matt. 5:17, 18.

VIII. This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations,(o) but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(p)

(o) Exod. 20:8; Exod. 16:23, 25, 26, 29, 30; Exod. 31:15, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13; Neh. 13:15 - 19, 21, 22.
(p) Isa. 58:13; Matt. 12:1 to 13.

......"by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages"....
It is strange how they both confess that The Sabbath should be keep holy, and that the day was changed at the resurrection.
There is no evidence of a change in the Bible. They are promoting a Holy day and that is Sunday.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Our rest is in Jesus alone, our only hope is Christ, when we work to gain favour with God we are not resting in the faith of Jesus' righteousness.

If we keep the sabbath to the perfect standard without faith it is useless (like the Pharisees).

where does it say that the ten commandments are made void? Sure the laws of types and shadows that pointed to Jesus were made void, but we are told to obey the law in the New testament many times.

If there is no law there is no sin.

what is the law that we are told not to make void by grace?


Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

verse 6 states that we are delivered from the law.
Jesus has obeyed it and paid our debt of disobedience. This is Grace. Praise God.
but we are told to serve in newness of Spirit. Don't obey to be saved but serve because you are saved and serve in the power of the Spirit.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Does grace mean we forget about the law? God forbid..

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

how would you Interpret that ? It seems to be a simple statement or how about this how would you interpret this ?

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭

it’s one thing to say we have to completely rely on and trust Jesus , we agree on that 100 percent we differ because I believe that includes accepting what he said will save us come judgement day

You Know how we say grace means no work ? This is actuwlly what Gods saving grace does for us teaches us to repent and live right before God and love doing good works

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’re meant to learn to love good works not look at them as “ Not for us “

We need to realize the first word when Gods grace came is “repent “ and believe the gospel he preached. There’s a lot to do and a lot to rid our lives of also I guess that’s what working out our salvation with fear and trembling is about huh ?

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬



Gods working in us to
Make us able to do what we need to

“I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭4:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not “ nothing to do “ it’s now we’re able to do and learn to be those people who love good works

 

[TheLearner]

Hi, Magenta, what I understand is that by the time that Jesus came on the scene, the Jews had added many, many Sabbath rules that God had never intended nor agreed with. For the past two years I've believed what you believe about the Sabbath, though I' have been questioning it lately. I have the nagging thought that there must have been some significance to God taking a break on the seventh day. Plus most of the reformed pastors, whom I trust, believe in Sabbath keeping, though I believe they keep it on Sunday now. I lean toward reformed teachings, so I'll probably stick with it for now. Thanks for responding. 🤗

Truth is there are 613 Laws in the Torah. One is not to make a fire on the Sabbath. When you turn up the heat you are causing more fire in the heater.

Exodus 35:3
Easy-to-Read Version
On the Sabbath you should not even light a fire in any of the places where you live.”

 

[TMS]

And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the Roman Catholic Church:

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:

But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.

The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:

If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.

Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:

Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.

 

[TMS]

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

how would you Interpret that ? It seems to be a simple statement or how about this how would you interpret this ?

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭

it’s one thing to say we have to completely rely on and trust Jesus , we agree on that 100 percent we differ because I believe that includes accepting what he said will save us come judgement day

You Know how we say grace means no work ? This is actuwlly what Gods saving grace does for us teaches us to repent and live right before God and love doing good works

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’re meant to learn to love good works not look at them as “ Not for us “

We need to realize the first word when Gods grace came is “repent “ and believe the gospel he preached. There’s a lot to do and a lot to rid our lives of also I guess that’s what working out our salvation with fear and trembling is about huh ?

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬



Gods working in us to
Make us able to do what we need to

“I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭4:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not “ nothing to do “ it’s now we’re able to do and learn to be those people who love good works

i agree, i don't think we differ that faith and works go hand in hand with each other and if we believe in His power we will act like it.
When do you think the 10 commandments were made void?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Both... the old testament conditions for salvation were no different to today. The Blood of Jesus is the only way. They looked forward in faith to a coming saviour we look back in faith to our righteous saviour. They could not earn salvation by keeping any laws and we can't earn it today.

Please show me how the conditions for salvation were different in the old testament times?

In the old testament though ,JESUS had not come and died on the cross yet and since the blood of CHRIST Is the only way how was things the same In the old covenant as they are In the new covenant?

Hebrews 9:1-15
King James Version


1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

 

[JaumeJ]

1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[TMS]

In the old testament though ,JESUS had not come and died on the cross yet and since the blood of CHRIST Is the only way how was things the same In the old covenant as they are In the new covenant?

Hebrews 9:1-15
King James Version


1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Think of it like a will that was written but not signed or enforced until the blood was shed. A promise, God does not lie, and the word is sure.
The types and shadows in the old testament were given to help the people understand what was to come. Jesus is the lamb, and the high priest.

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

notice that the lambs sacrificed and things they did could not make them perfect.

 

[mailmandan]

Exodus 35:3
Easy-to-Read Version
On the Sabbath you should not even light a fire in any of the places where you live.”

Sabbath keeping (with all it's rules and regulations) was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. *Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the old covenant? This would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). No kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1). If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect today, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant, no Sabbatarian under the new covenant can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

 

[mailmandan]

On a different Christian Forum site, there is a group of Seventh Day Adventists who create thread after thread on the Sabbath and seem to be absolutely obsessed with the Sabbath, even to the point of turning it into an idol. The prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church (Ellen G White) taught that the 7th day Sabbath is the Seal of God, and worshipping God on Sunday instead of Saturday is the Mark of the Beast.

https://nonsda.org/study7.shtml
https://nonsda.org/study8.shtml

For an Adventist to give up the Sabbath, it's essentially giving up salvation. The false gospel they preach culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9) Beware of anyone who promotes this ludicrous doctrine and perverted gospel!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Think of it like a will that was written but not signed or enforced until the blood was shed. A promise, God does not lie, and the word is sure.
The types and shadows in the old testament were given to help the people understand what was to come. Jesus is the lamb, and the high priest.

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

notice that the lambs sacrificed and things they did could not make them perfect.

ok Is that what you mean by saying they were the same?