Sabbath

[posthuman]

I would see scripture that says that the Sabbath command is suspended.

Consider that sabbath was not commanded until the giving of manna ((Exodus 16))

John 6:32-36
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....

If so then the commandments for these additional sabbath days should be in effect as well. Perhaps someone can provide more information on these other sabbath days.

Additional Sabbath Days
There are a number of other Sabbaths in addition to the weekly Sabbath.
The word “sabbath” means rest and God declared rest for His people with weekly Sabbaths and additional Holy Days of Convocation. Collectively, these Sabbaths are called “seasons” (Gen 1:14) or God’s appointed times (Leviticus 23:2), and they include:
Weekly Sabbaths: 52
Days of Passover: 7
Shavout, Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) 1
Yom Teruah (Feast of Trumpets) 1
https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/crucified/

Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) 1
Days of Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) 1
Shimini Atzeret (8th Day of Assembly) 1
= 70 Sabbaths

 

[posthuman]

If so then the commandments for these additional sabbath days should be in effect as well. Perhaps someone can provide more information on these other sabbath days.

Additional Sabbath Days
There are a number of other Sabbaths in addition to the weekly Sabbath.
The word “sabbath” means rest and God declared rest for His people with weekly Sabbaths and additional Holy Days of Convocation. Collectively, these Sabbaths are called “seasons” (Gen 1:14) or God’s appointed times (Leviticus 23:2), and they include:
Weekly Sabbaths: 52
Days of Passover: 7
Shavout, Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) 1
Yom Teruah (Feast of Trumpets) 1
https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/crucified/

Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) 1
Days of Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) 1
Shimini Atzeret (8th Day of Assembly) 1
= 70 Sabbaths

52 + 7 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 64, not 70.

the Levitical calendar doesn't have 365 days. it has 360 days; twelve 30-day months.
that's 12*4 = 48 weekly sabbaths if they are supposed to be the 7th, 14th, 21st and 28th days of each.
or it's 51 weekly sabbaths if the sabbath ignores the lunar calendar.

the week of passover is not 7 sabbath days. passover is the 14th, and the next day begins the days of unleavened bread, and the 1st & 7th of those days are high sabbaths ((15th & 21st)). if a weekly sabbath falls in the days of unleavened bread *not* on one of the already-high-sabbath days, then you can have 3 sabbaths during the passover week.

shavuot is not a sabbath. it's 49 days from the day after a sabbath, so it is 7-7's from an 8th day. it is always an 8th/1st day, never a seventh.

i'm not sure about the other ones you listed, but assuming that's exhaustive & correct..

48 weekly
2 unleavened bread
1 trumpets
1 yom kippur
1 tabernacles
1 day of assembly (?)

= 54


or if sabbath isn't connected to the rest of the calendar,

51
2
1
1
1
1

= 57




not that i am sure this is the correct count, but i am sure your math is wrong ((unless you left something out??)) and i am sure you are wrong about passover & pentecost.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

52 + 7 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 64, not 70.

the Levitical calendar doesn't have 365 days. it has 360 days; twelve 30-day months.
that's 12*4 = 48 weekly sabbaths if they are supposed to be the 7th, 14th, 21st and 28th days of each.
or it's 51 weekly sabbaths if the sabbath ignores the lunar calendar.

the week of passover is not 7 sabbath days. passover is the 14th, and the next day begins the days of unleavened bread, and the 1st & 7th of those days are high sabbaths ((15th & 21st)). if a weekly sabbath falls in the days of unleavened bread *not* on one of the already-high-sabbath days, then you can have 3 sabbaths during the passover week.

shavuot is not a sabbath. it's 49 days from the day after a sabbath, so it is 7-7's from an 8th day. it is always an 8th/1st day, never a seventh.

i'm not sure about the other ones you listed, but assuming that's exhaustive & correct..

48 weekly
2 unleavened bread
1 trumpets
1 yom kippur
1 tabernacles
1 day of assembly (?)

= 54


or if sabbath isn't connected to the rest of the calendar,

51
2
1
1
1
1

= 57




not that i am sure this is the correct count, but i am sure your math is wrong ((unless you left something out??)) and i am sure you are wrong about passover & pentecost.

I appreciate your corrections because the numbers I got were from the web. So thank you! As a side note, it seems extraordinarily hard to keep these Sabbaths, particularly for a gentile. Thanks be to God that we can rest in grace of our Lord in Christ Jesus!

 

[posthuman]

I appreciate your corrections because the numbers I got were from the web. So thank you! As a side note, it seems extraordinarily hard to keep these Sabbaths, particularly for a gentile. Thanks be to God that we can rest in grace of our Lord in Christ Jesus!

'how many sabbaths are in a year' is a really interesting question!
thank you for bringing it up. i'm trying to sort out the answer now

one thing is that, taking for granted the weekly sabbath is a 7 day cycle independent of the calendar that the feast days go by, you could have weekly sabbaths on the same day as 'high sabbaths' -- so there wouldn't be a fixed number of sabbaths every year. there would be less 'per year' when for example Yom Kippur happened to be on a saturday.

it's problematic for counting, too, that Leviticus doesn't describe a 365 day year. the Jews got together long ago and decided to add a month of an irregular number of days to reconcile the Biblical calendar with the sun. they're not necessarily correct to have done so but it's always very interesting to see how Jews think. they always try to be correct. it's often not how the rest of us think

this is an amazing thing, tho, that the calendar doesn't match the earth's orbit. it tells us something; it tells us that the solar system is in decay -- that sin affected the whole universe -- because i have to assume that if God describes a 360 day year, that was what the year was when He created it. but death entered through sin, and all things were changed -- all creation 'waits in earnest expectation' for redemption, and the difference between what our solar year is and what the year described in the law is, testifies of that.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

this is an amazing thing, tho, that the calendar doesn't match the earth's orbit. it tells us something; it tells us that the solar system is in decay -- that sin affected the whole universe -- because i have to assume that if God describes a 360 day year, that was what the year was when He created it. but death entered through sin, and all things were changed -- all creation 'waits in earnest expectation' for redemption, and the difference between what our solar year is and what the year described in the law is, testifies of that.

That is an interesting point on the 360.

 

[posthuman]

i read that most Jews changed Passover, Unleavened Bread & Firstfruits after Christ??

instead of the first day of Unleavened bread being the 'high sabbath' they started referring to the week before Passover as 'the high/great sabbath week' consisting of 7 days. that's probably where that website got 7 days of Passover sabbath. this isn't according to Leviticus.
they also started celebrating Firstfruits on the 16th instead of the 15th of Nisan, contrary to Torah, moving Pentecost/Shavuot a day ahead too - so that Christ's resurrection would no longer be on Firstfruits and that Pentecost would no longer be a 1st/8th day of the week.

the Karaite sect of Judaism differs from the rest of practicing Jews in that they keep these feasts on the days Leviticus proscribes

source:
https://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/Seven%20Sacred%20Feasts%20of%20the%20Old%20Covenant.htm

is that right?

 

[posthuman]

the Karaite sect of Judaism differs from the rest of practicing Jews in that they keep these feasts on the days Leviticus proscribes

source:
https://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/Seven%20Sacred%20Feasts%20of%20the%20Old%20Covenant.htm

is that right?

well if i go to this Hebrew Calendar generator page, it won't show me Firstfruits. they just skip it, but they add all kinds of other days not from scripture. enough traditional additions to add to 70 sabbaths per year, i guess...

https://www.hebcal.com/holidays/

*sigh*

 

[john832]

And to days:
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

I am persuaded that all days are alike. Everyday is Resurrection Sunday (the 8th day)!!

First problem here is that Christ was not resurrected Sunday morning. Show me how to count 3 days and 3 nights from Friday evening to Sunday while still dark.

From Passover (Wednesday just before sunset) to Sabbath afternoon, just before sunset is exactly 3 days and 3 nights as Jesus said it would be...

Mat 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."
Mat 12:39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now just in case you have a question about how long a day or night is...

oh 11:9 Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him."

Now if a complete day is 24 hours and there are 12 hours in the day, this leaves 12 hours in the night. So, three days and three nights are 72 hours.

 

[gb9]

ah, but the women did not go to the Tomb until sun. morning, so Jesus rose AFTER the Sabbath ended at sundown.

the jews kept days from twilight to twilight.

can't ignore that.

 

[john832]

Consider that sabbath was not commanded until the giving of manna ((Exodus 16))

John 6:32-36
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

Not exactly, God said this...

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said to Moses, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?

The sense of this is that the Commandments and Laws had been around for a while. Well, how long had the Sabbath Command been around? Let's see...

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The seventh day of creation week was the Sabbath day that Go blessed and hallowed.

 

[Truth7t7]

ah, but the women did not go to the Tomb until sun. morning, so Jesus rose AFTER the Sabbath ended at sundown.

the jews kept days from twilight to twilight.

can't ignore that.

They were at the tomb on the Sabbath, as it "Began" to dawn toward the first day

Matthew 28:1KJV
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

[john832]

If so then the commandments for these additional sabbath days should be in effect as well. Perhaps someone can provide more information on these other sabbath days.

Additional Sabbath Days
There are a number of other Sabbaths in addition to the weekly Sabbath.
The word “sabbath” means rest and God declared rest for His people with weekly Sabbaths and additional Holy Days of Convocation. Collectively, these Sabbaths are called “seasons” (Gen 1:14) or God’s appointed times (Leviticus 23:2), and they include:
Weekly Sabbaths: 52
Days of Passover: 7
Shavout, Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) 1
Yom Teruah (Feast of Trumpets) 1
https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/crucified/

Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) 1
Days of Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) 1
Shimini Atzeret (8th Day of Assembly) 1
= 70 Sabbaths

Well of course there are other Sabbaths besides the weekly Sabbath. Lev 23 outlines them. Ever hear someone speak of the Feasts of the Jews?...

Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

Now if your Bible says the Feasts of the Jews, you need to return it and demand a refund, it contains misprints.

 

[gb9]

They were at the tomb on the Sabbath, as it "Began" to dawn toward the first day

Matthew 28:1KJV
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

that is also translated " at dawn on the first day of the week"

and John and Luke make it clear it was sun. morning.

 

[Truth7t7]

that is also translated " at dawn on the first day of the week"

and John and Luke make it clear it was sun. morning.

Matthew gives a very clear precise account below, is it a lie?

They were at the tomb on the Sabbath, as it "Began" to dawn toward the first day

Matthew 28:1KJV
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

[john832]

52 + 7 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 64, not 70.

the Levitical calendar doesn't have 365 days. it has 360 days; twelve 30-day months.
that's 12*4 = 48 weekly sabbaths if they are supposed to be the 7th, 14th, 21st and 28th days of each.
or it's 51 weekly sabbaths if the sabbath ignores the lunar calendar.

the week of passover is not 7 sabbath days. passover is the 14th, and the next day begins the days of unleavened bread, and the 1st & 7th of those days are high sabbaths ((15th & 21st)). if a weekly sabbath falls in the days of unleavened bread *not* on one of the already-high-sabbath days, then you can have 3 sabbaths during the passover week.

shavuot is not a sabbath. it's 49 days from the day after a sabbath, so it is 7-7's from an 8th day. it is always an 8th/1st day, never a seventh.

i'm not sure about the other ones you listed, but assuming that's exhaustive & correct..

48 weekly
2 unleavened bread
1 trumpets
1 yom kippur
1 tabernacles
1 day of assembly (?)

= 54


or if sabbath isn't connected to the rest of the calendar,

51
2
1
1
1
1

= 57




not that i am sure this is the correct count, but i am sure your math is wrong ((unless you left something out??)) and i am sure you are wrong about passover & pentecost.

You are incorrect about the calendar here. It operates on a 19 year time cycle. 7 of those nineteen years are intercalary years and have 13 months.

that is also translated " at dawn on the first day of the week"

and John and Luke make it clear it was sun. morning.

OK, call it Sunday morning, let's read it...

Joh 20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.

G4653
σκοτία
skotia
skot-ee'-ah
From G4655; dimness, obscurity (literally or figuratively): - dark (-ness).

Strong's says darkness

Joh 20:2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

So, they go there and what do they find? He was already gone. Of course He was, He rose from the dead just before sunset 3 days and 3 nights after His burial.

So, anyway, count 3 days and 3 nights from Friday sunset to Sunday morning. Show me how to get 72 hours in there.

 

[gb9]

Matthew gives a very clear precise account below, is it a lie?

They were at the tomb on the Sabbath, as it "Began" to dawn toward the first day

Matthew 28:1KJV
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

king jimmy is not the only translation.

that is one. many others make it " at dawn on the first day of the week".

 

[gb9]

You are incorrect about the calendar here. It operates on a 19 year time cycle. 7 of those nineteen years are intercalary years and have 13 months.

OK, call it Sunday morning, let's read it...

Joh 20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.

G4653
σκοτία
skotia
skot-ee'-ah
From G4655; dimness, obscurity (literally or figuratively): - dark (-ness).

Strong's says darkness

Joh 20:2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

So, they go there and what do they find? He was already gone. Of course He was, He rose from the dead just before sunset 3 days and 3 nights after His burial.

So, anyway, count 3 days and 3 nights from Friday sunset to Sunday morning. Show me how to get 72 hours in there.

in case you have never noticed this- it is dark, then a slight light comes on the land that gets brighter as the comes up.

so, if i go outside at 6 am in my area, their will be light in the sky, but still dark outside....

 

[Truth7t7]

king jimmy is not the only translation.

that is one. many others make it " at dawn on the first day of the week".

What translation do you recommend, the NIV, NASB, ESV, all supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) created by Adulterers Kurt and Barbara Aland, and homosexual union supporter, Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)?

 

[john832]

ah, but the women did not go to the Tomb until sun. morning, so Jesus rose AFTER the Sabbath ended at sundown.

the jews kept days from twilight to twilight.

can't ignore that.

Well, the women got there and He was already gone...

Joh 20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Joh 20:2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

Oh and God decided that days begin at sunset...

Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath."