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Jackson123

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No not wrong, He was right, I accept the NT as inspired by God. Its not what Paul said that I take issue with, Its what people try to say He is saying that I take issue with.

I can not accept that Paul taught soemthing that that is against what the Holy Spirit taught concerning the 7th day Sabbath in the OT in relation to Messiah.

However there are OT Sabbaths that were shadows of Messiah so clearly they are the ones Paul is here referring to.
what is shadow of Jesus you believe? And why.

do you believe not Eat pork is also shadow?
 

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No not wrong, He was right, I accept the NT as inspired by God. Its not what Paul said that I take issue with, Its what people try to say He is saying that I take issue with.

I can not accept that Paul taught soemthing that that is against what the Holy Spirit taught concerning the 7th day Sabbath in the OT in relation to Messiah.

However there are OT Sabbaths that were shadows of Messiah so clearly they are the ones Paul is here referring to.
Jackson123, gotime is attempting to make the OT interpret the NT!
Despite anything that he says he rejects anything that goes against his interpretation of the OT in the NT.
Crazy I know, but there you go!
 
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no but Paul not only refering day sabbath but yearly sabbath aswell
In Leviticus 23. The weekly Sabbath is described first, then the yearly Sabbaths. The words Holy convocation and no work, are two signs which identify all Sabbath observance.

The first and last days of the 7 day festival of Unleavened Bread are Sabbath days.

On the day of the Harvest festival, the people were to gather for worship and do none of their daily work. This day is also a Sabbath.

Another Sabbath that is held on the first day of the seventh month, is The New Year festival, which was a special day of rest, a day on which the people were to gather for worship and do no work.

On the seventh day of the tenth month is the Day of Atonement, which was another Sabbath, on which the people were to gather for worship, do no work, but was also a day of fasting.

The Festival of shelters is a seven day festival, which is held on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, the first day of this festival is a holy Sabbath, and the eighth day, the day after the festival is another Sabbath.

Of all the Sabbaths recorded in scripture, it is only the seventh day weekly Sabbath, that is declared to be, ‘The Day of the Lord,’ and one day to the Lord is as a thousand years.

The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he 31 did not complete the years of this first day; for he died during it.

Acts 17: 31; For the Lord has fixed a day (The Sabbath of one thousand years) in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Here is the reality of which the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow.
 

gotime

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Jackson123, gotime is attempting to make the OT interpret the NT!
Despite anything that he says he rejects anything that goes against his interpretation of the OT in the NT.
Crazy I know, but there you go!
So then you don't accept the first witness. That is your choice. I accept both as from God. They are in harmony and teach the same things. The only difference is on bares testimony of the truth of the other. The NT is a witness to the truth of the OT.
 

Jackson123

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In Leviticus 23. The weekly Sabbath is described first, then the yearly Sabbaths. The words Holy convocation and no work, are two signs which identify all Sabbath observance.

The first and last days of the 7 day festival of Unleavened Bread are Sabbath days.

On the day of the Harvest festival, the people were to gather for worship and do none of their daily work. This day is also a Sabbath.

Another Sabbath that is held on the first day of the seventh month, is The New Year festival, which was a special day of rest, a day on which the people were to gather for worship and do no work.

On the seventh day of the tenth month is the Day of Atonement, which was another Sabbath, on which the people were to gather for worship, do no work, but was also a day of fasting.

The Festival of shelters is a seven day festival, which is held on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, the first day of this festival is a holy Sabbath, and the eighth day, the day after the festival is another Sabbath.

Of all the Sabbaths recorded in scripture, it is only the seventh day weekly Sabbath, that is declared to be, ‘The Day of the Lord,’ and one day to the Lord is as a thousand years.

The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he 31 did not complete the years of this first day; for he died during it.

Acts 17: 31; For the Lord has fixed a day (The Sabbath of one thousand years) in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Here is the reality of which the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow.
paul only Said sabbath is a shadow, to me It mean any sabbath.

if paul mean only sabbath year, he Will say so
 

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How does the NT prove that Jesus is the Messiah? OT
How does the NT prove that there is a new priesthood? OT
How does the NT prove circumcision does not matter? OT
How does the NT prove that the covenant would change? OT
How does the NT prove that John is of God? OT

ETC ETC. Every time the answer is the same. They used the OT to establish their points.
 

gotime

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paul only Said sabbath is a shadow, to me It mean any sabbath.

if paul mean only sabbath year, he Will say so
Paul taught that truth came form the OT and they bore witness to that in the NT. So Paul assumes that you accept the OT as the word of God also. Thus he does not have to spell it out because it is clear to any who know the OT.

the reason you find that difficult is because you don't know the OT.
 

Jackson123

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Paul taught that truth came form the OT and they bore witness to that in the NT. So Paul assumes that you accept the OT as the word of God also. Thus he does not have to spell it out because it is clear to any who know the OT.

the reason you find that difficult is because you don't know the OT.
Animal sacrifice is in the ot and not practiced anymore, because It is shadow of Jesus.

not to Eat pork is in the Ot and not practiced anymore because only shadow.


paul Said sabbath is only shadow, he not mention specific sabbath, to me is mean any sabbath.

i Remember when one ask Jesus where is good Place to worship God, in samaria or jerusalem, Jesus Said there is a time people worship not in samaria or jerusalem but they worship in the spirit and thruth.

it Will paralel with :It doesn't when you worship, but the sincerity, No matter when but are you worship in spirit and thruth?
 
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Hi All

All just a quick one for those that are interested in the what the real Shadow Sabbaths actually are. Here is where they are found. I have posted a more detailed discussion in Posts 1166 and 1168. Here is a summarized version just from God's Word.

The Shadow Sabbaths in God's Word that were a Shadow of things to come.. Yes I am posting all of Lev 23 so people can see what was required as part of the duties of the annual Shadow Sabbaths and how it is exactly what Paul is referring to in Col 2:17 :rolleyes:

Lev 23:1, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3, Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Lev 23:4, These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5, In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover (feastival).
Lev 23:6, And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread (festival) unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7, In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8, But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Lev 23:9, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

Lev 23:10, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits (festival) of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11, And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Lev 23:12, And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
Lev 23:13, And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
Lev 23:14, And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:15, And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16, Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. (some of the shadow Sabbath requirements for First fruits no longer required)

Lev 23:17, Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.

Lev 23:18, And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
(most of the festivals had meat and drink offerings also referred to in Col 2)

Lev 23:19, Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
Lev 23:20, And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
Lev 23:21, And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
Lev 23:22, And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.

Lev 23:23, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:24, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the "first day of the month" (NOTE: H2320 חדשׁ, chôdesh; kho'-desh; the new moon; by implication a month: - month (-ly), new moon) "shall ye have a sabbath" "(שׁבּתון, shabbâthôn, shab-baw-thone' a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. a memorial, A special Sabbath This Word is a different Hebrew word to that used for the 7th Day Sabbath) of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Lev 23:25, Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

Lev 23:26, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:27, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

Lev 23:28, And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
Lev 23:29, For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
Lev 23:30, And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
Lev 23:31, Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:32, It shall be unto you a "sabbath of rest", "(שׁבּתון, shabbâthôn, shab-baw-thone' a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. a memorial. Different word to 7th Day Sabbath) and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Lev 23:33, ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:34, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35, On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Lev 23:36, Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:37, These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Lev 23:38, Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
Lev 23:39, Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: "on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.""(שׁבּתון, shabbâthôn, shab-baw-thone' a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. a memorial. Different word used to 7th Day Sabbath. It is a special feast Sabbath)

Lev 23:40, And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days. (this is what was to be done on these feast Shadow Sabbaths)

Lev 23:41, And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

Lev 23:42, Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
Lev 23:43, That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 23:44, And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

All the above were called annual sabbaths because they had special connections and duty requirements with certain yearly feasts. In addition to the weekly Sabbaths (Lev. 23:3), there were seven annual, ceremonial sabbaths scattered through Israel's religious calendar. These yearly sabbaths were not directly related to the seventh-day Sabbath or the weekly cycle. These sabbaths, "beside the Sabbaths of the Lord" (Lev. 23:38), were the first and last days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Day of Pentecost, the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and the first and last days of the Feast of Tabernacles (cf. Lev. 23:7, 8, 21, 24, 25, 27, 28, 35, 36).

Because the reckoning of these sabbaths depended on the beginning of the sacred year, which was based on the lunar calendar, they could fall on any day of the week. When they coincided with the weekly Sabbath, they were called "high days" (John 19:31). "While the weekly Sabbath was ordained at the close of Creation week for all mankind, the annual sabbaths were an integral part of the Jewish system of rites and ceremonies instituted at Mount Sinai, . . . which pointed forward to the coming of the Messiah, and the observance of which terminated with His death on the cross.

The connection with Col 2:16-17?

Lets look at it but we will look also at the context from verse 14...14 (context),"Blotting out the handwriting" (Greek = manuscript legal document G5495) of "ordinances" (G1378 δόγμα, dogma; dog'-mah = civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical ordinance) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; So the context is the blotting out of the civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. So Paul is not talking about any of God's 10 commandments or moral law as the Greek word used is Dogma. This is the Context in verse 14 and follows on to verses 16-17

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day(s)

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Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.So comparing Leviticus Chapter 23 and looking at both the Hebrew and Greek in context of Col 2:14-17 it can be clearly shown that Paul is firstly referring to new moons, food and drink offerings, holy days and ceremonial annual Sabbaths (also called high Sabbaths (John 19:31) that all have their origin and connection to the annual feasts (e.g Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of First Fruits, Blowing of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Feast of Tabernacles) These were the Shadow Sabbaths referred to in Col 2:16 which were all pointing to Jesus and nailed to the cross. As the context is the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws.

Hope this helps the faithful Bereans that want to follow God's Word

God bless you all.
 
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gotime

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Animal sacrifice is in the ot and not practiced anymore, because It is shadow of Jesus.

not to Eat pork is in the Ot and not practiced anymore because only shadow.


paul Said sabbath is only shadow, he not mention specific sabbath, to me is mean any sabbath.

i Remember when one ask Jesus where is good Place to worship God, in samaria or jerusalem, Jesus Said there is a time people worship not in samaria or jerusalem but they worship in the spirit and thruth.

it Will paralel with :It doesn't when you worship, but the sincerity, No matter when but are you worship in spirit and thruth?
The OT actually teaches that Animal sacrifices will cease at Messiah So yes even in the OT its a shadow. But the 7th day Sabbath is not a shadow in the OT so you have a problem there.
 

graceNpeace

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Hi All

All just a quick one for those that are interested in the what the real Shadow Sabbaths actually are. Here is where they are found. I have posted a more detailed discussion in Posts 1166 and 1168. Here is a summarized version just from God's Word.

The Shadow Sabbaths in God's Word that were a Shadow of things to come.. Yes I am posting all of Lev 23 so people can see what was required as part of the duties of the annual Shadow Sabbaths and how it is exactly what Paul is referring to in Col 2:17 :rolleyes:

Lev 23:1, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3, Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Lev 23:4, These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5, In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover (feastival).
Lev 23:6, And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread (festival) unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7, In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8, But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Lev 23:9, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

Lev 23:10, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits (festival) of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11, And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Lev 23:12, And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
Lev 23:13, And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
Lev 23:14, And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:15, And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16, Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. (some of the shadow Sabbath requirements for First fruits no longer required)

Lev 23:17, Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.

Lev 23:18, And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
(most of the festivals had meat and drink offerings also referred to in Col 2)

Lev 23:19, Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
Lev 23:20, And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
Lev 23:21, And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
Lev 23:22, And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.

Lev 23:23, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:24, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the "first day of the month" (NOTE: H2320 חדשׁ, chôdesh; kho'-desh; the new moon; by implication a month: - month (-ly), new moon) "shall ye have a sabbath" "(שׁבּתון, shabbâthôn, shab-baw-thone' a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. a memorial, A special Sabbath This Word is a different Hebrew word to that used for the 7th Day Sabbath) of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Lev 23:25, Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

Lev 23:26, And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:27, Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

Lev 23:28, And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
Lev 23:29, For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
Lev 23:30, And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
Lev 23:31, Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:32, It shall be unto you a "sabbath of rest", "(שׁבּתון, shabbâthôn, shab-baw-thone' a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. a memorial. Different word to 7th Day Sabbath) and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Lev 23:33, ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:34, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35, On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Lev 23:36, Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:37, These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Lev 23:38, Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
Lev 23:39, Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: "on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.""(שׁבּתון, shabbâthôn, shab-baw-thone' a sabbatism or special holiday: - rest, sabbath. a memorial. Different word used to 7th Day Sabbath. It is a special feast Sabbath)

Lev 23:40, And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days. (this is what was to be done on these feast Shadow Sabbaths)

Lev 23:41, And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.

Lev 23:42, Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
Lev 23:43, That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 23:44, And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

All the above were called annual sabbaths because they had special connections and duty requirements with certain yearly feasts. In addition to the weekly Sabbaths (Lev. 23:3), there were seven annual, ceremonial sabbaths scattered through Israel's religious calendar. These yearly sabbaths were not directly related to the seventh-day Sabbath or the weekly cycle. These sabbaths, "beside the Sabbaths of the Lord" (Lev. 23:38), were the first and last days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Day of Pentecost, the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and the first and last days of the Feast of Tabernacles (cf. Lev. 23:7, 8, 21, 24, 25, 27, 28, 35, 36).

Because the reckoning of these sabbaths depended on the beginning of the sacred year, which was based on the lunar calendar, they could fall on any day of the week. When they coincided with the weekly Sabbath, they were called "high days" (John 19:31). "While the weekly Sabbath was ordained at the close of Creation week for all mankind, the annual sabbaths were an integral part of the Jewish system of rites and ceremonies instituted at Mount Sinai, . . . which pointed forward to the coming of the Messiah, and the observance of which terminated with His death on the cross.

The connection with Col 2:16-17?

Lets look at it but we will look also at the context from verse 14...14 (context),"Blotting out the handwriting" (Greek = manuscript legal document G5495) of "ordinances" (G1378 δόγμα, dogma; dog'-mah = civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical ordinance) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; So the context is the blotting out of the civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. So Paul is not talking about any of God's 10 commandments or moral law as the Greek word used is Dogma. This is the Context in verse 14 and follows on to verses 16-17

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day(s)

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Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.So comparing Leviticus Chapter 23 and looking at both the Hebrew and Greek in context of Col 2:14-17 it can be clearly shown that Paul is firstly referring to new moons, food and drink offerings, holy days and ceremonial annual Sabbaths (also called high Sabbaths (John 19:31) that all have their origin and connection to the annual feasts (e.g Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of First Fruits, Blowing of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Feast of Tabernacles) These were the Shadow Sabbaths referred to in Col 2:16 which were all pointing to Jesus and nailed to the cross. As the context is the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws.

Hope this helps the faithful Bereans that want to follow God's Word

God bless you all.
Your interpretation of Colossians chapter 2 is disgustingly inaccurate!

All that hoo-ha about the Greek word "dogma" and how it relates to the law being split into bits is COMPLETELY foreign to the writer (Paul) and his readership.
The law was NEVER split into components as is suggested here - no Jew, and especially Paul, a Pharisee, would allow that interpretation.

The ten commandments NEVER were and still ARE NOT separate from the law of Moses.

Neither Paul nor the Colossian readers of this epistle knew anything about classifying the law into separate bits!
 

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The OT actually teaches that Animal sacrifices will cease at Messiah So yes even in the OT its a shadow. But the 7th day Sabbath is not a shadow in the OT so you have a problem there.
so you believe God Will blessed your only If you worship Him in sabbath?

because God rest in sabbath? Sabbath in america may sunday in Indonesia. Wich sabbat God rest?

sabbath is from evening to evening, in the summer of north pole evening to evening may 3 moths, did God rest in 3 months after 6 daya creation
 
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paul only Said sabbath is a shadow, to me It mean any sabbath.

if paul mean only sabbath year, he Will say so
Believe as you will. But it could not be more clear that Paul was referring to the seventh day Sabbath, the day that he has fixed in which the Lord will judge the whole world with Justice by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.
 

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Believe as you will. But it could not be more clear that Paul was referring to the seventh day Sabbath, the day that he has fixed in which the Lord will judge the whole world with Justice by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.
is that mean you believe only judgement day is shadow, and you practice sabbath AS a first day AS a day of worship, and you practiced yearly sabbath every 7 years
 

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so you believe God Will blessed your only If you worship Him in sabbath?

because God rest in sabbath? Sabbath in america may sunday in Indonesia. Wich sabbat God rest?

sabbath is from evening to evening, in the summer of north pole evening to evening may 3 moths, did God rest in 3 months after 6 daya creation
I believe what Gods word says in both the OT and the NT. They are both in agreement.

As to the other questions they have nothing to do with what God said so I wont bother.
 

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I will say again, I believe that the whole of the word of God is there to instruct us and show truth. OT and NT.

I follow the example of the NT writers who backed their claims with the OT.
 
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Your interpretation of Colossians chapter 2 is disgustingly inaccurate!

All that hoo-ha about the Greek word "dogma" and how it relates to the law being split into bits is COMPLETELY foreign to the writer (Paul) and his readership. The law was NEVER split into components as is suggested here - no Jew, and especially Paul, a Pharisee, would allow that interpretation. The ten commandments NEVER were and still ARE NOT separate from the law of Moses. Neither Paul nor the Colossian readers of this epistle knew anything about classifying the law into separate bits!
Hi graceNpeace,

You have closed your own eyes to God's Word. Our opinions do not mean anything. Only God's Word means everything and it is God's Word not mine that you reject. If you can show me from God's Word how my post above is not correct I am happy to hear from you. It is God's Word and I must follow Him. God's Sheep hear His voice

God bless you
 
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is that mean you believe only judgement day is shadow, and you practice sabbath AS a first day AS a day of worship, and you practiced yearly sabbath every 7 years
From reading your posts, it would appear that you are not really proficient with the English language, which may be the reason that you are unable to comprehend the truth that has been revealed to you.
 

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Hi graceNpeace,

You have closed your own eyes to God's Word. Our opinions do not mean anything. Only God's Word means everything and it is God's Word not mine that you reject. If you can show me from God's Word how my post above is not correct I am happy to hear from you. It is God's Word and I must follow Him. God's Sheep hear His voice

God bless you
You are the one making extrabiblical claims - suppose you try and show anywhere in Scripture that the law was split into sections and some bits and bobs were fulfilled in Jesus but not others?

I am not rejecting God's Word, I know that Colossians 2:14 refers to the whole law, not bits and pieces.
Your exegesis fails with a very simple error - you assume that the Greek word "dogma" can only have a single meaning - in your case an inaccurate one because the law was never split into bits.
You do know that the Greek word "dogma" is used in Ephesians 2:15, don't you?
And you do know that in that instance it refers unequivocally to the whole law, do you not?

You keep saying that you are following God's word but all I see is the imposition of a predetermined theological agenda to try and make Scripture "prove" certain points.
It is clear to me that you have to find some way to "disprove" the blindingly obvious meaning of Col 2:16-17, hence this clumsy attempt to make the word "dogma" mean something that it doesn't.
Especially clumsy since you have to invoke a classification of the law that does not exist in the Bible to give the word "dogma" the meaning that you desire.
Tut tut!

We have a special term for what you are doing: EISEGESIS!
 

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Hi graceNpeace,

You have closed your own eyes to God's Word. Our opinions do not mean anything. Only God's Word means everything and it is God's Word not mine that you reject. If you can show me from God's Word how my post above is not correct I am happy to hear from you. It is God's Word and I must follow Him. God's Sheep hear His voice

God bless you
If I may say a few words dear friend,
as there were people in the OT who REFUSED to hear God anymore after He had spoken the 10 Com to them Ex 20 and Deut 5, so there are still people TOday who also refuse to hear God and all those who speak the Word of God.
Their spirit of rebellion only lets them hear what will further their unbelief UNTIL they repent and humble themselves, die to self and accept God's Word in ALL things. To some this may never happen and may be best to withdraw from them and leave them to the Lord.