Revival

[Blain]

I have been sensing for a while now a pouring of the spirit coming some call it the rain of Elijah some call it revival but even from years ago I said God has created for himself children who would walk in his love and spirit like never before even more so than the apostles did and I stand by those words because they will come to pass people can disagree with them or rejoice in them but make no mistake something is coming and when it does it will come in a surge

 

[justbyfaith]

Please find "revival" in the New Testament.

This would indicate that you can find it in the Old.

 

[RichMan]

Like all, I would like to see a revival, but according to Scripture the opposite will soon come to pass.
Great deception is coming and I am afraid many will be and even now are being deceived.

 

[justbyfaith]

Like all, I would like to see a revival, but according to Scripture the opposite will soon come to pass.
Great deception is coming and I am afraid many will be and even now are being deceived.

I would suggest that you begin praying for revival with a heart of faith. Currently I believe that the church is nearing the end of the age of Sardis and that Philadelphia is right around the corner if the saints will pray. The reign of the Antichrist is not inevitably in the near future. A worldwide revival is indeed possible.

 

[DavidTree]

Please find "revival" in the New Testament.

Right.

Let's not get too worked up over this discussion or make assertions that others have not studied certain scriptures.

If we are talking about returning to the standard of Christ of course I'm all for it but the Lord is clear: there will be a great falling away. We are in the midst of it now. Buckle up.

Revival is in, both, the OT and the NT.

Peace and Blessing to All the Brethren

 

[Oblio]

When it comes, there will be no doubt who is behind it. None at all!

 

[Gideon300]

Without a doubt there will be a revival! He is stoking the fires in the hearts of His people!

Instead of questioning all the details, being His prodigal daughter, knowing I was created with a purpose, knowing I have faced all these battles for a reason...I say Yes, Lord! What is your plan for me, what would you have me do?
He has equipped me, prepared me, and opened all the windows. I breathe, submersing myself in Him, and I wait for the moment He moves to set me loose through an open door.

Sure. I've been waiting 45 years now. Check out how often patience and faith are linked in God's word. It's an enlightening study.

 

[KelbyofGod]

If we're looking toward His return doesn't it make more sense to pray for the falling-away?

I'm of the opinion (one that is informed) that there will be no more revivals but only a calling out of those who are still in the institutional religious systems. This will occur prior to the apostate churches and systems being folded into the religious system of the world as one cohesive expression of humanism.

I'm fun at parties.

I really enjoyed your parting statement. LOL's!

 

[KelbyofGod]

Let me say this about revivals, because some judge the "realness" of a "revival" by how long it lasts or the number of "converts" (conversions, or people "saved")...

As Jesus was having his revival (so-to-speak) He was producing converts by the thousands... Multitudes were attending his impromptu meetings. And yet how many were there at the end of some of his harder messages? At one point only his 12 remained and he asked them "Will ye also go away?". And when he went to the cross, How many stood with him? And just before the day of Pentecost, How many believers were left from Jesus' multi-city revival tour of only a few weeks prior? Acts 1:15 tells us... "And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)"

So basically that idea of "How long it lasts tells us if it was real or not" is nonsense.

Nor does the idea of "reformation (cleaning up, or aligning) of the established churches" have merit as a judgement of "real" revival... because even though Jesus did all that he did, did the priesthood and overall collection of Jewish churches change their ways and accept him? Nope. So I recommend NOT holding your breath expecting the established churches to embrace what God ACTUALLY does in preparation of Jesus' return.

And this last part won't make me popular at parties either (shout out to @Aaron56 ). But if you're part of the popular, established church-hood of today, you might want to consider how strongly you trust their teachings over learning how to hear from God for yourself. Because there is a 'revival' coming... (God always sends a spirit of Elijah to restore willing hearts before sending Christ to do the gathering, choosing, and cutting off). But God didn't send it through the established churches then... and I doubt he'll send it through the established churches now.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[justbyfaith]

When it comes, there will be no doubt who is behind it. None at all!

Although, the Master of the house has been called Beelzebub and so, when the members of His household begin to really take hold of His words, I wonder what they will be called?

 

[Omegatime]

Throughout the Bible the Lord always gave a warning before judgement

 

[Oblio]

The revival will be the size of a gigantic tsunami.

 

[Gideon300]

Let me say this about revivals, because some judge the "realness" of a "revival" by how long it lasts or the number of "converts" (conversions, or people "saved")...

As Jesus was having his revival (so-to-speak) He was producing converts by the thousands... Multitudes were attending his impromptu meetings. And yet how many were there at the end of some of his harder messages? At one point only his 12 remained and he asked them "Will ye also go away?". And when he went to the cross, How many stood with him? And just before the day of Pentecost, How many believers were left from Jesus' multi-city revival tour of only a few weeks prior? Acts 1:15 tells us... "And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)"

So basically that idea of "How long it lasts tells us if it was real or not" is nonsense.

Nor does the idea of "reformation (cleaning up, or aligning) of the established churches" have merit as a judgement of "real" revival... because even though Jesus did all that he did, did the priesthood and overall collection of Jewish churches change their ways and accept him? Nope. So I recommend NOT holding your breath expecting the established churches to embrace what God ACTUALLY does in preparation of Jesus' return.

And this last part won't make me popular at parties either (shout out to @Aaron56 ). But if you're part of the popular, established church-hood of today, you might want to consider how strongly you trust their teachings over learning how to hear from God for yourself. Because there is a 'revival' coming... (God always sends a spirit of Elijah to restore willing hearts before sending Christ to do the gathering, choosing, and cutting off). But God didn't send it through the established churches then... and I doubt he'll send it through the established churches now.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I've been out of the denominational scene for decades. Every now and again I visit somewhere to stay in touch with what is happening. The only change is that the music and songs are worse now than in the 1980's.

I believe that the Lord said to me, maybe 20 years ago, "I am bypassing the denominations." I've seen nothing to indicate that I misheard or misunderstood.

 

[KelbyofGod]

I've been out of the denominational scene for decades. Every now and again I visit somewhere to stay in touch with what is happening. The only change is that the music and songs are worse now than in the 1980's.

I believe that the Lord said to me, maybe 20 years ago, "I am bypassing the denominations." I've seen nothing to indicate that I misheard or misunderstood.

I'll go a little further down that path in that I asked God about churches in general, not just denominations. What I asked was:

"How come you seem to get most of your people straight off of the streets instead of out of the churches? At least the people in the churches know to read and pray because they know they need you."​

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His answer:

"That's WHY I don't choose them. The KNOW they needed ME but stopped (called it good enough) when they found CHURCH."​

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And it was obvious to me by his tone that he was NOT happy with their decision. (A.K.A they would give account for putting their church in the place of their heart where GOD belongs... making their church their idol). That's one reason I warn people to stop idolizing their church or pastor (as if they are the source of all truth) and instead seek GOD as if HE and He alone is the God of all truth.

And I'm NOT saying people shouldn't go to church. I go to church and love my pastor... but I know to listen to God over him when there is a discrepency.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

I'll go a little further down that path in that I asked God about churches in general, not just denominations. What I asked was:

"How come you seem to get most of your people straight off of the streets instead of out of the churches? At least the people in the churches know to read and pray because they know they need you."​

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His answer:

"That's WHY I don't choose them. The KNOW they needed ME but stopped (called it good enough) when they found CHURCH."​

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And it was obvious to me by his tone that he was NOT happy with their decision. (A.K.A they would give account for putting their church in the place of their heart where GOD belongs... making their church their idol). That's one reason I warn people to stop idolizing their church or pastor (as if they are the source of all truth) and instead seek GOD as if HE and He alone is the God of all truth.

And I'm NOT saying people shouldn't go to church. I go to church and love my pastor... but I know to listen to God over him when there is a discrepency.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

That should have said "They KNOW they need ME..." (2 typos in the original.)

 

[Oblio]

I'll go a little further down that path in that I asked God about churches in general, not just denominations. What I asked was:

"How come you seem to get most of your people straight off of the streets instead of out of the churches? At least the people in the churches know to read and pray because they know they need you."​

​

His answer:

"That's WHY I don't choose them. The KNOW they needed ME but stopped (called it good enough) when they found CHURCH."​

​

And it was obvious to me by his tone that he was NOT happy with their decision. (A.K.A they would give account for putting their church in the place of their heart where GOD belongs... making their church their idol). That's one reason I warn people to stop idolizing their church or pastor (as if they are the source of all truth) and instead seek GOD as if HE and He alone is the God of all truth.

And I'm NOT saying people shouldn't go to church. I go to church and love my pastor... but I know to listen to God over him when there is a discrepency.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Anything that takes the highest place in our heart, which is His alone, is an idol.

 

[Gideon300]

I'll go a little further down that path in that I asked God about churches in general, not just denominations. What I asked was:

"How come you seem to get most of your people straight off of the streets instead of out of the churches? At least the people in the churches know to read and pray because they know they need you."​

​

His answer:

"That's WHY I don't choose them. The KNOW they needed ME but stopped (called it good enough) when they found CHURCH."​

​

And it was obvious to me by his tone that he was NOT happy with their decision. (A.K.A they would give account for putting their church in the place of their heart where GOD belongs... making their church their idol). That's one reason I warn people to stop idolizing their church or pastor (as if they are the source of all truth) and instead seek GOD as if HE and He alone is the God of all truth.

And I'm NOT saying people shouldn't go to church. I go to church and love my pastor... but I know to listen to God over him when there is a discrepency.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

The problem is that Christians are often lazy. Many contract out their Christian lives to the pastor. They pay his wages, after all. I was too rebellious, independent and suspicious of authority for that. None of those are good in themselves, but God used it to keep me from pastor dependence. I was not dependent on God either, so my early Christian life was a series of train wrecks. Eventually I learned by what I put myself through.

God has graciously revealed to me the difference between real spirituality and fake. I asked for discernment very early in my Christian life and God answered.

 

[KelbyofGod]

The problem is that Christians are often lazy. Many contract out their Christian lives to the pastor. They pay his wages, after all. I was too rebellious, independent and suspicious of authority for that. None of those are good in themselves, but God used it to keep me from pastor dependence. I was not dependent on God either, so my early Christian life was a series of train wrecks. Eventually I learned by what I put myself through.

God has graciously revealed to me the difference between real spirituality and fake. I asked for discernment very early in my Christian life and God answered.

Having trust issues can really benefit us...up to a point. My story is similar to yours in that God used my lack of trust to keep me from several things... like drugs... because hey, if I don't even trust doctors who have 18+ years of schooling, how in the world would I trust my body and mind to some guy whipping stuff up in his garage? ...No thank you.

Discovering that the information my pastor gave was...let's call it "insufficient"... was a major blow to my ability to trust. I DID need to know what was really required for salvation. But I'd just learned that my family pastor was either knowingly or (worse yet) UNknowingly giving me failing advice. I didn't want to spend another bunch of years trusting some other pastor only to find out he was wrong too. So what was I to do?

Well, after some thought, I went to the only person who "everyone" in churches says is trustworthy. God himself. And I started asking him for myself.

Guess what?! He still answers if we seek him! Once he started answering I started taking more and more questions his way.

BTW, salvation was the first one and once he gave me the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues, it was "Off to the races" so to speak, because then I knew he was real. And not only "real", but real for ME. Who cares if a medicine actually works if it doesn't actually work for ME. That would basically be worse than it not working at all because then all you could do would be watch other people receive while you continue to suffer.

Well, once God gave me the Holy Ghost I realized he would do things for ME. That helped with my trust issues....even though it was about another 15 years before I could really grasp that he actually LOVES me. So I have compassion towards those who struggle with things like that. I just don't have compassion for the doctrines that tell people to settle for believing that God gave a POWERFUL Holy Ghost to people in the bible....but THEY have to settle for much less. Again, NO Thank-you. God is just as powerful today as he was then. But as you pointed out, laziness won't get it done. Jesus said it this way.... "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." - Matthew 11:12 KJV

People who truly want to walk in the power of God are going to have to "come out from among them" like David had to get his training with God alone (plus lions and bears) instead of listening to his brothers and peers who tried to disregard and/or put him down when he stood up in faith. See 1 Samuel 17 (whole chapter, but especially 22-24, 26-28, 29, 30-37) to see what kind of "support" lazy children of God are willing to provide and How we should get our own experiences with God if we don't want to cower like most of the army of God.

Anyway... that's enough for one post. LOL.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Like all, I would like to see a revival, but according to Scripture the opposite will soon come to pass.
Great deception is coming and I am afraid many will be and even now are being deceived.

is it coming ? Or is it presently flourishing as we speak in the world and the worldly church ?

“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:3-4, 8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice the beast appears as if he died and rose ? It’s a false church in the world a false messiah preaching false doctrine but claiming to be Christ and truth

“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

looks like Jesus claims to be Jesus but the word is what’s of the devil. A deception is something claiming to be one thing but it’s another thing entirely. The deception is false Christianity claiming there’s another salvation other truth that saves other than what Christ made clear

 

[ChristianTonyB]

There is a great deal of talk about revival. Many are claiming that there will be a last days harvest. I wish I could be as confident as many others are.

Recently, I've had a look at the Welsh revival of the early 1900's. A young man named Evan Roberts was the leader. He was not the only one involved. Many Christians were concerned about spiritual state of the church in Wales. It was dead, sound doctrine perhaps, but without any life. Prayer groups began to seek the Lord for revival. God answered in a spectacular way, with 100,000 conversions in the first year. That does include those who were church members but not saved. At least one ordained minister was born again during the revival.

I wondered why this incredible revival fizzled out after a couple of years. Evan Roberts wore himself out by not sleeping and not taking any break from the work. Meetings revolved around praise and worship and personal testimonies. There was a great deal of emotion, but little teaching. Sound familiar?

"Worship" has replaced sound teaching in a lot of churches today. If the songs had any spiritual content, it would be different. Mostly we endure rock music with a few "God words" thrown in. Modern songs are so banal that many have taken to adding a rock arrangement to old hymns.

We do not need revival, we need restoration to truth and life as the foundation of the church. Truth and life are not "things". Lord Jesus is Truth and Life. if we will get back to basics, we will have the opportunity to grow. Revival will then be on a godly basis and genuine, not the fake that I fear is coming to deceive again.

If I had to use one word to describe modern denominational Christianity it would be "Ichabod". The glory has departed. Lord Jesus has not forsaken His church. His church has forsaken Him. Some years ago, I attended a very large (by Aussie standards) Baptist church. The name of Jesus was mentioned once in the first 40 minutes and that was in the children's talk. Excuse me! We meet in Jesus' name and He is there with us! How can we not acknowledge Him? If we invited a President or a Prime Minister to a meeting, would we not at least acknowledge that he was there? Even if it was "thanks for coming"? We seem to forget that it's Jesus' church.

Hand waving and hand clapping to feel good music is not worship. We should worship God in spirit and in truth. Repeating a few God words to music is not worship and it's not truth. It is surely not spirit either.

I have my doubts that denominational Christianity can change now. I am more of the view that revival will start in the hearts of the few that are convicted of their own shortcomings. When I complained to the Lord about these things, He said to me, "I have 7,000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal". So there are many who have not been caught up in what I call "Christianism". They are the invisible, unappreciated, often rejected believers who will not conform to the status quo.

I do a bit of street witnessing every now and again. I've met a surprising (to me) number of people who used to attend meetings. Many confess Christ still, but they are not able to stomach the religious hypocrisy of the churches they used to attend. It's tragic, because we need fellowship with one another. I am convinced that Lord Jesus is building His church and the gates of hell will crumble before her. I just hope that I live to see that day.

I agree. It's more about survival than revival, and following the Lord Jesus, not the masses.