Revelation 3:5

[Lafftur]

I wasn't taking about John the Baptist, but those who were going to Jesus which is what prompted John to say "the bride belongs to the Bridegroom" ergo, everyone who was going to Jesus. Also, just because Peter, John and James were an inner circle, does not support that the bride is only made up of select believers. That's why I said, where are your scriptures to support this? Consider the following scripture:

"Let us rejoice and celebrate and give Him the glory. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready. She was given clothing of fine linen, linen bright and pure." For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints."

Regarding the above and according to what you are claiming, not every believer will receive their fine linen at the wedding of the Lamb. For the scripture above has only the bride at the wedding of the Lamb. However, the scripture states that the fine linen represents the righteous acts of the saints, which would include all believers.

Please provide scriptures that specifically divide common believers from the bride. The entire church is the bride and will be present at the wedding of the Lamb to receive her fine linen. Revelation 19:14 also shows the bride following Christ out of heaven riding on white horses and wearing that same fine linen. This is will be the entire church, for scripture states that when Christ returns to the earth to end the age, with him will be His "called, chosen and faithful followers."

"They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” - Rev.17:14

Great question, Ahwatukee! It's ALWAYS good to support truth with scripture.

I know you said you weren't talking about John the Baptist, but I was because he was a believer in Jesus Christ and declared Jesus to be The Lamb of God, yet you pointed out that he was not called to follow Jesus as the disciples of Christ were, and he referred to himself as the "friend" of the bridegroom, so I think the point you're making is that John the Baptist should be excluded from this discussion because although he was a believer, he was not a "follower" of Jesus Christ and therefore, cannot be considered. So, in this case, it appears there is a difference between a "believer" and a "follower" of Jesus Christ.

Scripture does tell us that the bride has to "make herself ready," which we know has NOTHING to do with salvation which leads me to the 7 letters in Revelation which pertain to overcoming certain obstacles.
Also, the parable of the 10 virgins is about the bride "making herself ready."

You asked me for a specific scripture that makes a division between believers and the bride. I do not know of a scripture that specifically says there is a distinction between believers/followers of Christ and the bride.

I think we agree that all followers of Jesus Christ are the Body of Christ, also known as the Church according to Paul in

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

As I searched for scripture regarding the bride, guess what I found out?!

The bride of Christ is not in scripture, the "bride" and "wife" are only referred to as the Lamb's bride or the Lamb's wife. Why do you suppose that is?

We know Jesus is the Lamb of God, but why refer to His bride or wife as belonging to the Lamb?

 

[Ralph-]

Um Matthew 18:15-17 is about Church discipline, nothing to do with internet forums, and unless they are obviously a false teacher, saying they are an unbeliever is bad form.

It's okay to consider someone an unbeliever. Jesus said so. Whether they really are or not is between them and the Lord.

 

[LW97]

All I know that a true child of God would never want to live a life of sin.

 

[LW97]

Hello LW97,

"And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be." - Rev.17:8

"And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. - Rev.13:8

Well, they have taken the Mark of the Beast and have missed the chance to remain in the Book, see Exodus 32:33. Also, the Greek word for "were not" is present tense. And about Colossians, here the Apostle Paul tests them whether they are true believers or not, see 1 John 2:19.

God bless you

 

[Ahwatukee]

Well, they have taken the Mark of the Beast and have missed the chance to remain in the Book, see Exodus 32:33. Also, the Greek word for "were not" is present tense. And about Colossians, here the Apostle Paul tests them whether they are true believers or not, see 1 John 2:19.

God bless you

Good day,

I think that you are missing the meaning of the scripture above. In both Rev.13 and 17 it makes reference to those whose names have not been written in the book of life from before the world began, which would infer that the names of the saved would have been written in the book of life before the world even began. Likewise, there were names that were not written in the book of life from before the world began, which is what those scriptures are proclaiming. In other words, those who worship the beast and receive his mark will do so because their names were never written in the book of life. I read a book by Tim Lahaye title "Revelation Unveiled" where he states that at the time that everyone comes into the world, their names are written in the book of life, but if they die without receiving Christ, then their names are taken out. This is not according to scripture, for as these two scriptures make clear, the names of the saved were written in the book of life before the world even began and the names of the unsaved were never written to begin with.

"And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made--the Book that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered." Rev.13:8 (NLT)

"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go into destruction; and those dwelling on the earth whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will wonder, seeing the beast which was, and is not, and yet will be.

 

[LW97]

Good day,

I think that you are missing the meaning of the scripture above. In both Rev.13 and 17 it makes reference to those whose names have not been written in the book of life from before the world began, which would infer that the names of the saved would have been written in the book of life before the world even began. Likewise, there were names that were not written in the book of life from before the world began, which is what those scriptures are proclaiming. In other words, those who worship the beast and receive his mark will do so because their names were never written in the book of life. I read a book by Tim Lahaye title "Revelation Unveied" where he states that at the time that everyone comes into the world, their names are written in the book of life. But if they die without receiving Christ, then their names are taken out. This is not according to scripture, for as these two scriptures make clear, the names of the saved were written in the book of life before the world even began.

"And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made--the Book that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered." Rev.13:8 (NLT)

"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go into destruction; and those dwelling on the earth whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will wonder, seeing the beast which was, and is not, and yet will be.

Well, but then it would contradict with Psalm 139:16

In the KJV it says their names were "slain from the foundation of the world."

 

[Ahwatukee]

Well, but then it would contradict with Psalm 139:16

In the KJV it says their names were "slain from the foundation of the world."

what does "slain from the foundation of the world" have to do with people names being written or not written in the book of life before the world began? Below is Psalm 139:16

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be."

If anything, the verse above supports what I am claiming. Also, here is the KJV:

"
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[LW97]

I was talking about Revelation 13:8, not Revelation 17:8.

Revelation 13:8 says:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God bless you

 

[Ahwatukee]

I was talking about Revelation 13:8, not Revelation 17:8.

Revelation 13:8 says:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God bless you

Just fyi, it is saying that it is the Lamb who was slain before the foundation of the world, i.e. it was God's plan from before the world began that His Son would be sacrificed before the world even began and that because God knows everything before it happens. Here is a parallel listing of that same verse in all of the major translations. I would suggest not restricting yourself to just the KJV and look at the other major translations as well as the interlinear.

New International Version
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the Lamb's book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

New Living Translation
And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world was made--the Book that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered.

English Standard Version
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Berean Study Bible
And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Berean Literal Bible
And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, of whom their names have not been written from the founding of the world in the book of life of the Lamb having been slain.

New American Standard Bible
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

King James Bible
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Christian Standard Bible
All those who live on the earth will worship it, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.

Contemporary English Version
The beast was worshiped by everyone whose name wasn't written before the time of creation in the book of the Lamb who was killed.

Good News Translation
All people living on earth will worship it, except those whose names were written before the creation of the world in the book of the living which belongs to the Lamb that was killed.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.

International Standard Version
All those who had become settled down and at home, living on the earth, will worship it, everyone whose name had not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the lamb that had been slaughtered since the foundation of the world.

NET Bible
and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed.

New Heart English Bible
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And all the inhabitants of The Earth will worship it, those who are not written in The Book of Life of The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Everyone living on earth will worship it, everyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life. That book belongs to the lamb who was slaughtered before the creation of the world.

New American Standard 1977
And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship it, whose names are not written in the book of the life of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.

King James 2000 Bible
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

American King James Version
And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

American Standard Version
And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And all the dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world.

Darby Bible Translation
and all that dwell on the earth shall do it homage, [every one] whose name had not been written from [the] founding of [the] world in the book of life of the slain Lamb.

English Revised Version
And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain from the foundation of the world.

Webster's Bible Translation
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Weymouth New Testament
And all the inhabitants of the earth will be found to be worshipping him: every one whose name is not recorded in the Book of Life--the Book of the Lamb who has been offered in sacrifice ever since the creation of the world.

World English Bible
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.

Young's Literal Translation
And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world;

 

[dcontroversal]

I'd like to know how it's possible for a person to get unborn...

It is not possible....and we are born of incorruptable seed, by the Holy Spirit and the GIFT of eternal life is IRREVOCABLE........end of story...all who peddle a salvation that can be lost do not know the God of heaven.....and or deny the promises, power and words of Christ......

 

[dcontroversal]

A son may remain a son, but a disobedient son can be disinherited. And that is what salvation is - an inheritance.

Not hardly.....called chastening and GOD chastens disobedient sons...he does not cast them a way....more false religion in the bolded above

 

[Zmouth]

I'd like to know how it's possible for a person to get unborn...

It is not possible....and we are born of incorruptable seed, by the Holy Spirit and the GIFT of eternal life is IRREVOCABLE........end of story...all who peddle a salvation that can be lost do not know the God of heaven.....and or deny the promises, power and words of Christ......

Since it is written that a person can not see the kingdom of God unless they are born again, then being born again can either of you, or anyone who claims to have been born again describe the kingdom of God? (See John 3:3)

Considering the passage of 1 Peter 3:15, "...and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you.." then I would expect this question would bring your great joy, but no thanks are necessary seeing that it was my pleasure asking.

 

[Ralph-]

Not hardly.....called chastening and GOD chastens disobedient sons...he does not cast them a way....more false religion in the bolded above

To lose the inheritance means to lose eternal life in the kingdom of God.

Paul warned the Galatians that to turn back to being a slave to the law for justification and away from faith in Christ for justification (in other words, stop believing in Christ) would result in them no longer being heirs of the promises made to Abraham, which Paul said includes having the promise of the Holy Spirit.

In the dialogue between Jesus and the rich young ruler, Jesus equates inheriting eternal life with entering the kingdom of God and salvation:

18A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. 20“You know the commandments, ‘DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.’” 21And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.” 22When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 23But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. 24And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God! 25“For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 26They who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” 27But He said, “The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.”

28Peter said, “Behold, we have left our own homes and followed You.” 29And He said to them, “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, 30who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life.”-Luke 17:18-30

If a (former) believer gets disinherited they lose eternal life and entry into the kingdom because that is what the inheritance is. The inheritance is salvation. And Paul said you lose the inheritance if you stop believing in Christ for justification.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Since it is written that a person can not see the kingdom of God unless they are born again, then being born again can either of you, or anyone who claims to have been born again describe the kingdom of God? (See John 3:3)

Considering the passage of 1 Peter 3:15, "...and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you.." then I would expect this question would bring your great joy, but no thanks are necessary seeing that it was my pleasure asking.

Hello zmouth,

The scripture that you are quoting simply means that, only the one who is born again will be able to enter/inherit the kingdom of God. I'm born again, but I have yet to see the kingdom of God and that because the resurrection hasn't taken place yet. Regarding the kingdom of God, I can only repeat what I have read in scripture, because again, I have not been there yet and neither has any other believer in Christ who is still their body.

 

[Zmouth]

Hello zmouth,

The scripture that you are quoting simply means that, only the one who is born again will be able to enter/inherit the kingdom of God.

That is one possibility seeing that no prophesy of scripture is of any private interpretation.

However, one could ask if that is what he meant then why didn't he say that except he said that unless a person is born again they cannot see the kingdom of God. In consideration of Matt 7:15-16

• 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
• 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.

By fruits, I presume that is a reference to Genesis 1:29 and the fruit being meat. But maybe not.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Gen 1:29​

While I appreciate your reply, since it is written that man doth live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of the LORD doth man live, it kinda leaves me wanting to ask where's the beef?

But that would be corny....​

I'm born again, but I have yet to see the kingdom of God and that because the resurrection hasn't taken place yet.

While I do not question your claim of being born again, I do respect your acknowledgement that you have not yet seen the kingdom of God. Yet it is written in Luke 9:27, "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."

Regarding the kingdom of God, I can only repeat what I have read in scripture, because again, I have not been there yet and neither has any other believer in Christ who is still their body.

Is that a prophetic word you received from heaven or is that your opinion?

• John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven .John 3:27
• For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. Luke 7:28

I could ask you how one receives the seed from heaven, but I will aver to John 3:11 for brevity. However, I will say that one must believe to receive, but believing is not receiving.

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. Mark 11:24​

After all, it is written "While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal." However, I digress and regarding your statement that no believer has been caught up to paradise who is still in their body with 2 Cor 12:3-4.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ;
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[dcontroversal]

To lose the inheritance means to lose eternal life in the kingdom of God.

Paul warned the Galatians that to turn back to being a slave to the law for justification and away from faith in Christ for justification (in other words, stop believing in Christ) would result in them no longer being heirs of the promises made to Abraham, which Paul said includes having the promise of the Holy Spirit.

In the dialogue between Jesus and the rich young ruler, Jesus equates inheriting eternal life with entering the kingdom of God and salvation:

18A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. 20“You know the commandments, ‘DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.’” 21And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.” 22When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 23But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. 24And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God! 25“For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 26They who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” 27But He said, “The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.”

28Peter said, “Behold, we have left our own homes and followed You.” 29And He said to them, “Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, 30who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life.”-Luke 17:18-30

If a (former) believer gets disinherited they lose eternal life and entry into the kingdom because that is what the inheritance is. The inheritance is salvation. And Paul said you lose the inheritance if you stop believing in Christ for justification.

By your false religion it may mean that....not according to the bible.....and that fact that you are oblivious to the fact that a son by birth is always a son by birth regardless of what they may or may not get in way of inheritance speaks volumes to the fact that you view the bible through the eyes of a religionist just like the Pharisee of old....your religion and keeping yourself saved is not biblical....and still waiting on you to correct us......had such high hopes of something new....SAME old Cainology <----what you peddle

 

[dcontroversal]

Hello zmouth,

The scripture that you are quoting simply means that, only the one who is born again will be able to enter/inherit the kingdom of God. I'm born again, but I have yet to see the kingdom of God and that because the resurrection hasn't taken place yet. Regarding the kingdom of God, I can only repeat what I have read in scripture, because again, I have not been there yet and neither has any other believer in Christ who is still their body.

And I know how such a man-- whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows

 

[Ralph-]

By your false religion it may mean that....not according to the bible.....and that fact that you are oblivious to the fact that a son by birth is always a son by birth regardless of what they may or may not get in way of inheritance speaks volumes to the fact that you view the bible through the eyes of a religionist just like the Pharisee of old....your religion and keeping yourself saved is not biblical....and still waiting on you to correct us......had such high hopes of something new....SAME old Cainology <----what you peddle

Paul said if the saved Galatians become slaves of a gospel of works for justification they will not be heirs of the Holy Spirit and the promise of glorification. We can follow his argument in the letter he wrote to them and see that he is telling them they will not receive the inheritance if they stop believing in Christ for justification:


The Galatians are turning away from the gospel of Christ for justification and turning toward a false gospel of justification through works of the law:
6 "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7which is really not another"-Galatians 2:6


He tells them even we Jews know that a person can't be justified by works of the law and can only be justified through faith in Christ:
16 "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we (Jews) have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law"-Galatians 2:16


Here we see that the Galatians did in fact get saved and received the Spirit. He's talking to saved people who are turning away from justification by faith in Christ to justification through works of the law. This is NOT about people who were never saved:
3 "Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh (trying to earn justification through perfect law keeping)?"-Galatians 3:3


He points out that the blessing given to Abraham was given through a promise (not law), and that the promise is fulfilled in the giving of the Holy Spirit:
13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us... 14 ...in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."-Galatians 3:13-14


Paul equates the promised blessing, the Holy Spirit, to the inheritance. The promised inheritance, given through faith in Christ is the Holy Spirit/salvation/eternal life.
18 "For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise."-Galatians 3:18


He reaffirms that it is those who belong to Christ who are heirs of the promise, the Holy Spirit/salvation:
27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.


They are known to God in salvation, but want to be slaves to justification through the works of the law:
9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years."-Galatians 4:9-10


Paul tells them slaves of the law are not heirs. Even the law they want to be under says that:
21Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
30But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”



Once again he reaffirms their status as saved, free children of the New Covenant and exhorts them to resist the slavery of justification by the law. Which will cause them to no longer be heirs of the promises made to Abraham (the Holy Spirit/salvation/eternal life):
31 "So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.
1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery."-Galatians 4:31,5:1


If they rely on the works of the law for justification (epitomized in circumcision) they lose the efficacy of Christ in justification:
2 "Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you."-Galatians 5:2


The person who seeks to be justified by works of the law becomes severed from Christ and from the grace of justification through faith:
4 "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."-Galatians 5:4


The hope of glorification comes through the Spirit, by faith, but as he has told them they lose the promised inheritance of the Spirit if they become slaves to the law for justification:
5 "For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness."-Galatians 5:5


There it is, folks. You lose the grace of justification in Christ, and the Holy Spirit in salvation/eternal life if you fall away from faith in Christ. It's as plain as day for all of us to read if you'll read it with open eyes and an honest and open heart and not through the prejudice of a 'once saved always saved' doctrine.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

By your false religion it may mean that....not according to the bible.....and that fact that you are oblivious to the fact that a son by birth is always a son by birth regardless of what they may or may not get in way of inheritance speaks volumes to the fact that you view the bible through the eyes of a religionist just like the Pharisee of old....your religion and keeping yourself saved is not biblical....and still waiting on you to correct us......had such high hopes of something new....SAME old Cainology <----what you peddle

The bible clearly teaches that sons can be, and were, disinherited. The firstborns of Adam, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were all disinherited. Only those of faith inherit the promises.

 

[Ahwatukee]

That is one possibility seeing that no prophesy of scripture is of any private interpretation.

However, one could ask if that is what he meant then why didn't he say that except he said that unless a person is born again they cannot see the kingdom of God. In consideration of Matt 7:15-16

Good day to you!

To be born again, is to receive Christ as Lord and Savior. Therefore, unless an individual receives him, then he cannot be born again. That is all that means. It is the equivalent to "whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son does not have life." Therefore, anyone without the Son will not see the kingdom of God.

• 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
  [*]16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.

By fruits, I presume that is a reference to Genesis 1:29 and the fruit being meat. But maybe not.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Gen 1:29​

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If we stay within the context of what is being spoken of in Matt.7:15-19, the fruits, which are bad, being of the sinful nature, are the unrighteous actions of the false prophets by which we can identify them. For regarding these false prophets Jesus finished with, "Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions." The fruits of the sinful nature are obvious:​

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"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. ​

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While I do not question your claim of being born again, I do respect your acknowledgement that you have not yet seen the kingdom of God. Yet it is written in Luke 9:27, "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."

Is that a prophetic word you received from heaven or is that your opinion?

What Jesus said here in Luke 9:27 is one of the many misinterpreted scriptures in the word of God. Below is the entire scripture:

"But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.” About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took Peter, John, and James, and went up on a mountain to pray. And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became radiantly white."

In the scripture above, first Jesus said, "some who are standing here will not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God. Then the scripture continues with "About eight days after Jesus said this," which links what Jesus previously said connecting it with the information which follows, that being that He took Peter, John and James up on a mountain. These then are those who "would not taste of death until they see the kingdom of God. Then as Jesus was praying, His clothes became radiantly white and His face changed, which was Him appearing in His glorified state. This is what Jesus meant by them seeing the kingdom of God i.e. Jesus in His glorified state. Below is the same event recorded in the other gospels:

"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.” - Matt.16:28

"Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.” - Mark 9:1

"But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.” - Luke 9:27

To be clear, in reference to "until they see the kingdom of God" was not referring to the Lord's return to end the age, but He was referring to Peter, John and James seeing Him in His glorified state. Below is another example referring to the kingdom of God:

"But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. " - Matt.12:28

Regarding the verse above, Jesus was responding to the Pharisees who had said that He was casting out demons by Beelzebul. Notice that Jesus tells them that by driving out demons by the Spirit of God that the kingdom of God had come upon them. This saying was not a reference to the Lord's second coming, but that the power of God was being displayed among them. In the same way, when Peter, John and James saw the Lord in His glorified stated, the prophecy was fulfilled in that, they had seen the Son of Man coming in His kingdom by seeing Jesus in His glorified state.


I hope that you find this information beneficial