Resistance

[Lanolin]

Maybe he was happy to have beaten the system?

But the Bible tells us to obey those who rule over us.

Its not a system its just he didnt want to acknowledge he might have problems with his hearing. He also pretended he didnt need glasses in his teen years and would memorise the eye test letters so he wouldnt have to wear them. But thats stupid because then he couldnt see properly.
Also, he didnt want to wear safety gear cos he didnt want to look like a road worker, which he looked down on and despised.

So he didnt beat the system at all he was just being foolish. He would always say to me I had to speak louder when instead he could have turned off the racket on his stereo and actually listened to what I had to say instead. Why should I be the one to yell at him just to be heard.

When i apllied for another job i said to the guy who wanted to hire me well if this involves noisy machinery im going to lose my hearing, cos the tests showed it was bad. So what did this guy say. Well he was just as bad as the other boss, he said i wasnt to tell HR about that. Basically he wanted me to lie and compromise my health and safety. So i refused that job too, even thougn was offered and had more pay.

But the main reason was they wanted me to spray poison and I refused because they were spraying around playgrounds and had no safety measures on place to protect the children and wildlife. They just couldnt be bothered doing weeding the right way, just the cheap and nasty way.

 

[PS]

Its not a system its just he didnt want to acknowledge he might have problems with his hearing. He also pretended he didnt need glasses in his teen years and would memorise the eye test letters so he wouldnt have to wear them. But thats stupid because then he couldnt see properly.
Also, he didnt want to wear safety gear cos he didnt want to look like a road worker, which he looked down on and despised.

So he didnt beat the system at all he was just being foolish. He would always say to me I had to speak louder when instead he could have turned off the racket on his stereo and actually listened to what I had to say instead. Why should I be the one to yell at him just to be heard.

When i apllied for another job i said to the guy who wanted to hire me well if this involves noisy machinery im going to lose my hearing, cos the tests showed it was bad. So what did this guy say. Well he was just as bad as the other boss, he said i wasnt to tell HR about that. Basically he wanted me to lie and compromise my health and safety. So i refused that job too, even thougn was offered and had more pay.

But the main reason was they wanted me to spray poison and I refused because they were spraying around playgrounds and had no safety measures on place to protect the children and wildlife. They just couldnt be bothered doing weeding the right way, just the cheap and nasty way.

It is difficult being a Christian. I had similar problems.

 

[tourist]

The best things in life are free.

...but at times come at a great cost.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Ok but what has that actually got to do with resistance. Why did you bring that up.

I already told you in Post #96 that the reason I brought it up was to expose one of the lies currently being propounded by satan. This is just one lie we need to stand and withstand. It's just one example of what we currently face as believers and we need to help those who are ignorant of satan's devices ... those who are being destroyed for lack of knowledge of God's Word.

We resist and hopefully we are able to help others turn to God, become born again, learn to stand and withstand, resist the devil so that he flees from them also.

However, to give someone who is being attacked by satan the false impression that it's okay to be neither male nor female claiming that is what is stated in Gal 3:28 is handling the Word of God deceitfully.

Gal 3:28 is written to those who are children of God through faith in Christ Jesus, and baptized into Him, and who put Him on (Gal 3:26-27) ... then all are one in Christ Jesus.

And please note, Gal 3:28 does not state that XY are not men and XX are not women. The meaning of Gal 3:28 is that there are no inequalities before God. All Christians alike, no matter what their race, status, or sex, stand on the same footing before God.

If they not born again christians of course they going to readily accept a lie. Cos they dont know how to resist and they dont know God. That doesnt mean you have to accept a lie, just declare the truth, and if they dont accept it, then thats just too bad. We cant stop others from being self deceived.

God tells us to speak His Word. That is our function in the body of Christ. We do not have to make anyone believe; however, we are tasked with planting and watering. God brings the increase in the hearts of those to whom we speak.

That is how we effectively utilize the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God. In the face of satan's lie, we speak truth. If no one believes, we still speak truth.

Some people actually want to be deceived. Theres a popular secular song that says 'tell me lies tell me sweet little lies' which is crazy, but this is how some people are. They dont want to know the truth. Give some people a test, like a breath test or drug test, and they will try to get out of it and deny they are drinking alcohol. Ive heard of people that get out of drugs tests by asking others who are clean to send in their urine samples instead. They just cant handle the truth! People cheat and lie because they think sin dont have any eternal consequences. Even if they are aware of them, they only think of the fleeting pleasure and self gratification of sinning.

Isaiah 30:

1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

2 That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!

...

8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.


Sad state of affairs when people tell God to cease from before us ...

 

[Lanolin]

I already told you in Post #96 that the reason I brought it up was to expose one of the lies currently being propounded by satan. This is just one lie we need to stand and withstand. It's just one example of what we currently face as believers and we need to help those who are ignorant of satan's devices ... those who are being destroyed for lack of knowledge of God's Word.

We resist and hopefully we are able to help others turn to God, become born again, learn to stand and withstand, resist the devil so that he flees from them also.

However, to give someone who is being attacked by satan the false impression that it's okay to be neither male nor female claiming that is what is stated in Gal 3:28 is handling the Word of God deceitfully.

Gal 3:28 is written to those who are children of God through faith in Christ Jesus, and baptized into Him, and who put Him on (Gal 3:26-27) ... then all are one in Christ Jesus.

And please note, Gal 3:28 does not state that XY are not men and XX are not women. The meaning of Gal 3:28 is that there are no inequalities before God. All Christians alike, no matter what their race, status, or sex, stand on the same footing before God.





God tells us to speak His Word. That is our function in the body of Christ. We do not have to make anyone believe; however, we are tasked with planting and watering. God brings the increase in the hearts of those to whom we speak.

That is how we effectively utilize the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God. In the face of satan's lie, we speak truth. If no one believes, we still speak truth.





Isaiah 30:

1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

2 That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!

...

8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:

9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us.


Sad state of affairs when people tell God to cease from before us ...

Ok but then if its not ok to be neither, then what you are saying is that those that are confused about it ought not to be confused, the reality is THEY ARE CONFUSED and they are trying to sort out why. That is why some are getting all these hormone treatments. Because imagine if YOU were born in a male body but all the time you felt female. Wouldnt that be weird? But it happens!

If it didnt happen, then there would be no such thing as transgender people!

Unforutanately in reality there are. The box is only there because those people dont know what to pick. Its nothing to do with YOU if you know what you are.

Look at it this way, yes theres believers and unbelievers right. But actually, for christians, we can discern theres believers, and theres agnostics and athiests. Agnostics are people that dont really know God. Athiests are those whove rejected Him. It is the latter category that have no hope.

Nobody is saying ITS OK to be transgender. I dont think anybody actually born chooses to be or wants to be. Its just something people that are confused need to deal with. You need to pray for them. You cant resist on behalf of them, they need to have a relationship with God first to be able to resist whatever lie they were told or feelings they have. I know a test tube baby born a girl is now a man. Thats my neighbours sisters son/daughter. She cost thousands of dollars just to be conceived, and probably thousands more to have surgery to be male. But you know what, thats the parents choice to spend all that money to begin with. When people go against God all sorts of stuff happens. So if the mother (what about the dad?) isnt praying then how is it your problem. Are you actually looking after her son? Like are you his caregiver? Are you casting those demons out?

Look in the bible about a girl possesed with an evil spirit of divination that was MALE. See acts 16:16-18 kjv

 

[Lanolin]

Have you had experience with CHRISTIANS who are transgender or unbelievers who are transgender.
Because you cannot do deliverance on people that are unbelievers. It wont work.

I am not stating that theres no such thing as women and men. Im just saying that for people that are confused, they are still a person. They are human. They have a soul worth saving. And to treat them as such.

Thats not being deceitful, and am sorry if you got that impression.

 

[Lanolin]

We had gay christians in one church I remember (not transgender, this is different) and they were married to each other and had young children. The wife turned lesbian and the husband was like a cross dresser in private. I did not know this at the time cos I wasnt close to them but they were prominent in the worship team. Because the wife turned lesbian and ran off with another woman, and the husband had an affair with another married lady at church, which split up HER family.

I knew something was a bit off when i was talking to the cross dressing guy about Mary mother of Jesus and he said some off sexist remark about her. I cant remember what it was but just thought how odd.

One day the husband of the non gay couple...sorry if this is confusing, i was when I heard about it, announced to the church they were splitting up. I was like huh? Cos id been at their wedding, she was my neighbour. I had a hard time figuring it out and wondered if i should be praying or wonderng how could they split up they had four young children and were all about family.

Well anyway nobody would talk about it except another church friend close to me knew what happened and explained, and my neighbours parents came and told us and said it was her daughters fault and she was unrepentent. I was so shocked I didnt know what to think. Both families left that church.

Anyway why am I sharing this with you, aside from adultery and gender confusion this is what spirit of whoredoms does to families. In churches. Its the children that are now dealing with their parents messy splits. The youngest calls her mums ' lover'uncle. The worst thing was this was the husbands best man, best friend. Her dad is the only one that continues to go to (a different) church, he didnt lose faith, but if the rest are unrepentant, what do you do, you cant do anything about it.

 

[Lanolin]

But the thing is, it was a relief to go back to that church for a while because worship wasnt so frenzied. They gay couple used to make a performance out of it and the old folk would get rattled. When i say gay couple im mean the lesbian and cross dresser, who were married to each other. Not same sex. This church didnt marry them either they all came from other churches.

So maybe after the elders found out about the guilty parties fled and left church before they created more havoc and lying to everyone about who they were and what their motives were. Cos both families joined the church at the same time. I felt very uncomfortable around the gay couple but couldnt pin point why. I didnt know they would be gay other than the cross dresser one looked a bit punk and sometimes wore nail polish. And one time his wife had shaved her head but she said she suffered from alopecia. And we had prayed for their children when they asked when they were sick, and prayed for their jobs, and they were superinvolved with all the ministries. Maybe God will turn them round but it really made me question my neighbours salvation. Her husband was willing to forgive her but she left him and didnt want to go back to him. It was going on for years in secret.

? Maybe these things happen in all churches I dunno. So..resistance? Or ....lack of in this case? Moral of the story dont commit adultery. Stay married to the one you actually married.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Ok but then if its not ok to be neither, then what you are saying is that those that are confused about it ought not to be confused, the reality is THEY ARE CONFUSED and they are trying to sort out why. That is why some are getting all these hormone treatments. Because imagine if YOU were born in a male body but all the time you felt female. Wouldnt that be weird? But it happens!

If it didnt happen, then there would be no such thing as transgender people!

the root of the problem is the lie of the devil which is being promulgated and believed.

God made male (XY) and female (XX).

the devil is using the same lie he used on Eve ... did God really say.

satan tried to do the same thing to the Lord Jesus Christ. In Matt 3, we read about the baptism of Jesus Christ. The last verse (Matt 3:17) states And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Then in Matt 4:3, the devil says If thou be the Son of God ...

Didn't we just read God's statement this is My beloved Son?

satan always tries to get us to question and doubt God's Word.

satan is doing the same thing with what we see going on in our day and time.

XY is male, even if it "appears" to look like XX. at the deepest, chromosomal level, XY is XY.

so the XY who goes through the long, drawn out process of appearing to be XX, will always by XY. self-delusion does not change XY into XX.

so, so sad when all a person has to do is turn to God.

Look in the bible about a girl possesed with an evil spirit of divination that was MALE. See acts 16:16-18 kjv

Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

The word "spirit" in Acts 16:18 is neuter. That means it is neither male nor female.

The words "he came out" are the Greek word exēlthen and it is a verb, not a pronoun. The "he" was added by the translators.

Having said that, when angels appeared in OT, the angels were dressed as males. I am not aware of a record in God's Word where an angel appeared as a female.

 

[Lanolin]

Um why you talking about chromosomes now im not following.
If someone is XY what does that mean exactly. If someone is XY but thinks they should be XX what are you actually going to do about it. Make them take a test and then just insist they be male?

If they know God and they born again and still struggling with this, then what?

I just want to know HOW do you resist this. Cos you not talking about yourself obviously. You cant resist on behalf of another person. They need to do it. Or have you actually struggled with this and overcome. If you havent then why are you posting on here. Im puzzled. Is this your ministry.

Are you saying those of us who dont struggle with this ought to pray more for those that do. Or are we to fast and pray for them or intercede or something.

If all to takes is to say to someone who is confused about their identity YOU ARE MY BELOVED SON in whom i am well pleased, then sure speak that truth to them.

Or to say to someone who is female and confused YOU ARE MY BELOVED DAUGHTER.

Wont the truth set them free? I remmber at a healing and delivernce meeting i had a minister say to me 'you are fearfully and wonderfully made' and he looked me in the eyes and said God says I love you. That was powerful cos nobody had ever said that to me before. Surely they were words of wisdom that had power.

Then God kept on with me. Showing me he loved me. After that, any lie of the enemy saying I was this or that or crazy i refused to believe.

Ive had children at school fight over this, one boys was calling a girl a boy cos she look a bit boyish. Its one thing to make a mistske (in school uniforms its sometimes hard to tell) but another thing to be teased about it. She insisted she was a girl (cos she is) but this boy kept teasing her. I said to this boy stop that. Dont call this girl a boy. He tried to make a joke of it. Oh but she looks like a boy and then he laughed. I said thats not funny. Also we call/address people by their given names.

Ive heard boys be cruel to girls who may be a bit chubby and call them fat. These girls then start crying and heard the teacher say to this boy...you must NEVER call a girl fat. That is a mean thing to say.

Some boys thinks its cool to make a girl cry. This is wrong. In my life ive had men laugh at women crying. They think if they can make a woman or girl cry by being cruel they have some sort of power.

 

[Lanolin]

If spirit is neuter...then isnt it right to say if we have the spirit and are in the spirit that male and female dont matter. Just dont know why you keep wanting to argue about this?

Eunuchs know they are neuter even if they appear male (or female) .and Jesus says some are made eunuchs or make themselves euncuhs for the Kingdom of God, so He accepts eunuchs, even when others dont understand them. A (male) eunuch was converted in book of Acts.

As for angels, they neither marry or are given to marriage, so even if they are called male in the Bible, whther they have xx or xy chromosomes, does not actually matter.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

As for the op here, I think the 7th and 8th chapter of the book of Romans is the answer. Particularly the verse 15 of Chapter 8.

As for Christians and self defense, and defense of the defenseless; you would have to be a mush head to think that God wants you to stand by and allow some thug or band of thugs to rape, rob, and pillage, the elderly, weak, children, handicapped, pregnant, women, or any other defenseless person or people group.

Even Jesus told his disciples to buy a sword even if it means selling your coat, in Luke 22:36. He had a reason for saying this, and it wasn't symbolic. Remember context is the rule. So Jesus tells them how bad things will be, and then says remember how I sent you out before with out purse or an extra change of clothes, but now you need to take those things and if you don't have a sword buy one. Get one even if you have to sell your coat. This isn't symbolic or figurative, he is using real examples or real necessities and includes a sword. He clearly wasn't talking about defending against the coming authorities to arrest him, which would lead to a civil war in which they would be massacred. So he must have had another reason. That reason played out in 70 ad just 40 years later when the Christians were scattered into the wilderness by the armies of Titus. An estimated 1.1 million innocent lives were taken during that siege. I can only imagine the horror of attempting to escape that with your wife and children.
Then again having a sword in the time of the early crusades when Muslim hordes invaded the growing Christian communities and countries in Europe. Imagine being a husband with a wife and children as the Turks invade the Byzantium country side, and having to protect your family and your home with only you and your neighbors to do the fighting, because the Roman empire had just split and the Byzantine Empire was just established and was still in transition and chaos, when the seljug began their invasions.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Um why you talking about chromosomes now im not following.
If someone is XY what does that mean exactly. If someone is XY but thinks they should be XX what are you actually going to do about it. Make them take a test and then just insist they be male?

Again, let me reiterate, this topic is just one example of one of the lies of the devil which is currently being promoted as truth.

You and I are discussing the lie of the adversary concerning this issue and, by the tenor of your responses, it appears you disagree there is any lie concerning this issue.

According to you, there is no lie and it's okay for people to continue in their pursuit in this lie which leads to nothing but emptiness. People mutilate their bodies in order to appear to be something they are not because they believe a lie. They have been deceived and are being destroyed because they lack the knowledge of God's Word which would help them to stand, withstand, resist. So, so sad …

Do you not see the work of the devil in this whole scenario? The ministry of the devil is to steal, kill destroy (John 10:10). The devil has a very effective ministry in this lie he is currently promoting. Did God really say male / female???

And, yes, it is up to the people who fall victim to his wiles to stand and withstand (resist) in the evil day.

But how can they resist if they do not know the truth?

And how can they know the truth if truth is not spoken?

If we, as ambassadors for Christ, withhold truth in the face of the lie of the adversary … what kind of ambassadors are we???


Proverbs 13:17 A wicked messenger falleth into mischief: but a faithful ambassador is health.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

If spirit is neuter...then isnt it right to say if we have the spirit and are in the spirit that male and female dont matter. Just dont know why you keep wanting to argue about this?

We have the Spirit (neuter) of Christ (masculine) within us and we are either male or female.

Just because I have the Spirit of Christ within … that does not turn me into a man, nor does the Spirit of Christ make me gender neutral. In this life, I will always be female.

Eunuchs know they are neuter even if they appear male (or female) .and Jesus says some are made eunuchs or make themselves euncuhs for the Kingdom of God, so He accepts eunuchs, even when others dont understand them. A (male) eunuch was converted in book of Acts.

Eunuchs are not "neuter" as in not male or female. Historically, eunuchs were males who were castrated.

In Matt 19:12, Jesus said For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.


The word "eunuchs" in Matt 19:12 is masculine. Jesus is talking about

• men who are celibate from their mother's womb … these men choose not to marry and remain celibate of their own volition.

• men which were made eunuchs of men ... these men were castrated.

• Men who choose to remain celibate in order to further the kingdom of heaven … these men choose not to marry so they may continue in their ministry before God.

As for angels, they neither marry or are given to marriage, so even if they are called male in the Bible, whther they have xx or xy chromosomes, does not actually matter.

I do not believe angels have chromosomes.

 

[Lanolin]

You totally misrepresent my postion because you have misinterpreted it. Badly. And I have never said its ok to lie.

Dont accuse me of things I have not even said.

Sorry that you lack complete understanding on this issue. Plus you are clearly contradicting yourself. But its only because of your confusion over english translation which does not have masculine and feminine forms for nouns as other languages do.

Maybe you never worked at a vet? When we say neuter, it means for a male or female, to remove their reproductive organs.

Another is that when the Bible talks about mankind, its encompassing humanity, not just males. Otherwise women wouldnt be included in the many statements about salvation in scripture.

 

[Lanolin]

Circumsicison, would you agree or disagree, is a 'mutilation' of the body, yet God commanded it for males for his covenant people.

Female circumcision as practised in some countries, and foot binding, and breast implants, would you not agree this is mutliation of the body. What about piercing the ears. And tattooing. Or hysterctomies.

I think you need to seek God on the matter rather than be a busy body on someone elses temple.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You totally misrepresent my postion because you have misinterpreted it. Badly. And I have never said its ok to lie.

Dont accuse me of things I have not even said.

I never indicated you lied. I stated that I believe the adversary is promoting a lie and it appears to me you disagree there is any lie concerning this issue.

Perhaps I touched on a topic which you do not believe is a lie. Since you do not want to discuss this lie of the adversary, please provide an example of a lie of the adversary against which you resist.

That might be better than discussing the difference between grammatical "neuter" and surgical "neuter".

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Circumsicison, would you agree or disagree, is a 'mutilation' of the body, yet God commanded it for males for his covenant people.

Female circumcision as practised in some countries, and foot binding, and breast implants, would you not agree this is mutliation of the body. What about piercing the ears. And tattooing. Or hysterctomies.

I think you need to seek God on the matter rather than be a busy body on someone elses temple

Pointing out what I believe is a lie of the adversary in which bondage is the result is now considered being "a busy body on someone elses temple"???

People believe a lie of the adversary and they start on a process of mental health therapy before a regimen of hormone replacement therapy and after that a surgical process.

They do all of this to find themselves in worse bondage than they were before they started on this course.

Again, since you do not believe this issue is a lie promoted by the adversary, please provide an example of a lie of the adversary against which you resist.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

What does the Bible tell us about resistance, and how to resist? Any tips and how to put into action...in any situation?

Or do we just go through life never taking a stand about anything.

We, as the children of God, do not struggle against flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12), but against those things that have already been defeated (Colossians 2:14-15). We do not fight FOR victory but rather from a place of victory which God calls “In Christ.”

Pastor Curtis

James 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God (to the Plan He has provided, which is the Cross). Resist the Devil, and he will flee from you. (We do this by strictly looking to Christ, and what He has done for us at the Cross, where Satan was totally defeated [Col. 2:14-15].)”

JSM

Place and maintain your Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross.

 

[Lanolin]

We, as the children of God, do not struggle against flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12), but against those things that have already been defeated (Colossians 2:14-15). We do not fight FOR victory but rather from a place of victory which God calls “In Christ.”

Pastor Curtis

James 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God (to the Plan He has provided, which is the Cross). Resist the Devil, and he will flee from you. (We do this by strictly looking to Christ, and what He has done for us at the Cross, where Satan was totally defeated [Col. 2:14-15].)”

JSM

Place and maintain your Faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross.

Hmm thats right far too many people are looking at flesh and blood, the right chromosomes, their own safety, their bodies or families etc. That is missing the point.

We are not to struggle against those.

Otherwise Jesus sacrifice has no meaning. If Jesus had not gone to the cross, put flesh to death and risen from the dead, we would not have access to Gods Kingdom. We would have no Good news to tell.

The fact that Jesus obtained salvation for whosever believes in Him, is Good News! Its the gospel we are bear. The good tidings.

If some people dont accept this, well its too bad. Its their loss. We just move on and tell other people who have the ears to hear and eyes to see who WILL accept it.

The joy of the Lord is our strength. The devil is only trying to stop the good news from spreading. But nothing can stop what God has put in peoples hearts.