Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

[Phoneman-777]

Yep as usual, there you go pumping your chest praising God you not like the sinner

your self righteousness wrecks man, you fit you name well..

Yep, there you go again attacking the man instead of his doctrine, because you and the rest of the OSAS don't have any theological ground to stand on nor the overcoming power of Christ in your lives, which is why you all invented the OSAS License to Sin.

 

[Runningman]

Sanctification comes by faith.
If i believe (have faith) that Jesus is inside me transforming me into His image do you think my works would be the same as an unbeliever?

If i truly believe something in my heart it will be reflected in my words and actions.

No boasting because it is God that is doing the transforming.

Faith and works go hand in hand with each other.

Faith = works

The devil believes but doesn't have faith.

John 6:29 KJV
29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[Phoneman-777]

show me a man with genuine faith and i'll show you a man who has assurance Christ will not fail to save him.
show me a man who believes salvation depends on the quality of his own earthly life and i'll show you someone who has not believed the gospel.

Try some Scripture for a change: "Show my your faith without works and I'll show you my faith by my works" because genuine faith produces good works while OSAS faith produces fuel for the Lake of Fire.

can you see the unbreakable link between tusting in a righteousness by works of the law & unbelief?

On the Path of the Just, there's nothing more pathetic than to pass by those who've fallen into the Left Ditch of OSAS License and are stuck in the mud screaming at those who've fallen off into the Right Ditch of Legalism as the reason for their predicament.

 

[Goliath]

just stop. Your hurting yourself

Jesus taught grace. He did nto have to mention it. Grace and love and mercy is the theme of the Bible. It started in the garden, when God kieed an animal to cover the nakedness of adam and eve

I can;t help you my friend, You think you are something you are not.. As you said, Paul taught the gospel. Grace is the gospel. You are saved (if you are) because of Gods mercy and grace. The tax collector went home justified because he called out to Jesus. Tats a picture of grace..

The pharisee, who also like you, thought he was sinless, did not. Because of his pride. In rejecting grace,

Did I say Jesus didn't teach Grace? No....
But if you can...show me where, you believe, Jesus taught Grace. LOL...And I really don't need any help from you.

 

[Goliath]

A Christian isn't one who never sins, but who never commits deliberate, known, habitual sin and fights to overcome it whenever the Holy Spirit reveals it, as per Scripture. The raison d'etre of OSAS is for those who want to cling to Jesus but also their deliberate, habitual, known sin from which they refuse to repent.

Show me an impenitent "Christian" alcohol addict and I'll show you a OSAS believer.
Show me an impenitent "Christian" tobacco addict and I'll show you a OSAS believer.
Show me an impenitent "Christian" anger addict and I'll show you a OSAS believer.
Show me an impenitent "Christian" idolatrous music and movies addict and I'll show you a OSAS believer.
Show me an impenitent "Christian" porn addict and I'll show you a OSAS believer.

Can you see the unbreakable link between "impenitent" and "OSAS"?

Or an even alarming statistic, the majority of Porn Stars call themselves Christians. They believe Jesus is the Son of God...they have faith in him...so with the teachings in church, whose to tell them they are not saved?

 

[Goliath]

this is a favorite verse of mine to show people who think the Jews have a different gospel than the Gentiles. it's clearly one, singular gospel of Christ which was first brought to the Jews and then to the Gentiles, and this is that gospel:

Post after reading your quote....I see I have some working room.🤔
Where? The area I highlighted above.
I've been on another site for years...and you sir...have a rare Christian perspective. It's a condition brought on by one having an open mind....a very rare occurrence.
Welcome

 

[Goliath]

Yep, there you go again attacking the man instead of his doctrine, because you and the rest of the OSAS don't have any theological ground to stand on nor the overcoming power of Christ in your lives, which is why you all invented the OSAS License to Sin.

As predicted brother, As predicted....but nobody said it better than Jude...
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord....(Jude 1:4)

 

[Goliath]

Post...BTW...I agree with that highlighted area

 

[elights]

If man can understand why we were created,what plans God has for all mankind,who God is, what He thinks of the current state of the world and what He is able to do,Men who profess to believe in God would know the right way to living and heaven,Most people today spend most of their time meditating on the words of men at the expense of God’s word,regardless of what percentage believes what the truth remains and can only be found in the word of God,Some people have been brought up in a way of having the right to challenge anything,do things and think the way they want,which is ok, but the trouble comes from thinking they can approach God the same way,I mean He’s supreme,can’t be compared to Mr Gates,Mr Musk,HE Biden,HE Trump or anything He is way above governments,science,technology,etc

 

[Jackson123]

Seems you are just defining things the way you want.

The 11 disciples were saved, since Jesus told them they were clean. Believers who don't bear fruit will be disciplined, not cast into the lake of fire.

Please address John 5:24 and 10:28 and explain how they DON'T teach eternal security.

Seem to me you the defining what ever you want
Where in john 15:6 the word disciplined
Read one more time it say cast them into the fire

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 5 and 10 what is your interpretation

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Seems you are just defining things the way you want.
Please address John 5:24 and 10:28 and explain how they DON'T teach eternal security.

Seem to me you the defining what ever you want
Where in john 15:6 the word disciplined
Read one more time it say cast them into the fire

Don't change the subject. Can you prove that John 5:24 and 10:28 don't teach eternal security? Prove what they do teach.

John 5 and 10 what is your interpretation

I've already told you; answer my question first and then I will answer yours.

All you do is respond to my questions with your own questions. Doesn't work that way.

 

[Jackson123]

FreeGrace2 said:
Seems you are just defining things the way you want.
Please address John 5:24 and 10:28 and explain how they DON'T teach eternal security.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

In this verse hearth mean believe not only hear, in my country there is ex imam now Christian preacher, he preach to Muslim community about Jesus they hear but not believe, instead of believe they persecute him now he is in prison and hear in the sense of believe till the end of his life will go to heaven

Matt 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”

John 10:28
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand

Yep, he who endure unto the end will go to heaven no body not the lucifer have acces and snatch people from heaven but we must do Matt 24:13 , endure to the end not to day believe tomorrow deny jesus

 

[Phoneman-777]

Did I say Jesus didn't teach Grace? No....
But if you can...show me where, you believe, Jesus taught Grace. LOL...And I really don't need any help from you.

Do you believe He taught it in principle?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Or an even alarming statistic, the majority of Porn Stars call themselves Christians. They believe Jesus is the Son of God...they have faith in him...so with the teachings in church, whose to tell them they are not saved?

Amen to that. The OSAS crowd sure won't do it. They only people they are known to castigate are those who expose their false doctrine.

 

[Phoneman-777]

As predicted brother, As predicted....but nobody said it better than Jude...
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord....(Jude 1:4)

And there it is, plain as day, perfectly describing what the OSAS crowd does, yet they refuse to be rebuked...they will not humble themselves and repent.

 

[Jackson123]

Amen to that. The OSAS crowd sure won't do it. They only people they are known to castigate are those who expose their false doctrine.

Yep, the Father give to Jesus with the requirement and bible state in
John 3:16, whosoever believe jesus
Matt 24;13 endure/believe to the end
Not random, or base on how handsome or pretty or Wheatley you are
He give to the Son whosoever believe and endure to the end

 

[gb9]

Yep, the Father give to Jesus with the requirement and bible state in
John 3:16, whosoever believe jesus
Matt 24;13 endure/believe to the end
Not random, or base on how handsome or pretty or Wheatley you are
He give to the Son whosoever believe and endure to the end

endure in what?

 

[Jackson123]

endure in what?

Endure In believe His teaching
In my country some hear the gospel than believe it but some not endure because Muslim in some area persecute them, some threaten lost his job, some beaten etc
One day I listen a testimony in YouTube an ex Muslim leader convert and he testify why he convert than 2 or 3 years later in another YouTube he say, he come back to Islam and will die as Islam, I ask around what happen to him, some say, hundreds of Muslim come to his house with all kind of weapon, tying up his son and ask him to testify on YouTube he back to Islam or his son kiled

He that endure to the end will be save

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Seems you are just defining things the way you want.
Please address John 5:24 and 10:28 and explain how they DON'T teach eternal security.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

In this verse hearth mean believe not only hear, in my country there is ex imam now Christian preacher, he preach to Muslim community about Jesus they hear but not believe, instead of believe they persecute him now he is in prison and hear in the sense of believe till the end of his life will go to heaven

What does this have to do with John 5:24.

You are STILL NOT addressing John 5:24 and 10:28.

Matt 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”

Context is the 7 year tribulation.

Now please, address my verses.

John 10:28
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand

Yep, he who endure unto the end will go to heaven no body not the lucifer have acces and snatch people from heaven but we must do Matt 24:13 , endure to the end not to day believe tomorrow deny jesus

OK, I see. You prefer to misunderstand Matt 24:13 rather than deal with the clear words of Jesus in John 10:28.

Over and over, you fail to explain what John 10:28 is teaching.

The verse is very clear: recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

John 5:24 teaches that from the moment of saving faith, the believer possesses eternal life.

These 2 verses together refute you and prove that you do not understand the verses that you use to contradict Jesus' words.

 

[Jackson123]

FreeGrace2 said:
Seems you are just defining things the way you want.
Please address John 5:24 and 10:28 and explain how they DON'T teach eternal security.

What does this have to do with John 5:24.

You are STILL NOT addressing John 5:24 and 10:28.


Context is the 7 year tribulation.

Now please, address my verses.


OK, I see. You prefer to misunderstand Matt 24:13 rather than deal with the clear words of Jesus in John 10:28.

Over and over, you fail to explain what John 10:28 is teaching.

The verse is very clear: recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

John 5:24 teaches that from the moment of saving faith, the believer possesses eternal life.

These 2 verses together refute you and prove that you do not understand the verses that you use to contradict Jesus' words.

Seem to me you believe as long as we once believe than deny the next day you are save, I am not share this believe

You believe in 7 years people must endure but now we don't need to endure, that Jesus say the endure requirement only during 7 years tribulation?