Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

[Magenta]

Jesus and I both do....Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who
loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.” (John 14:21)

You do not keep God's commandments. You ought to repent of your lies.

Proverbs 6:16-19 plus 12

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I guess where we disagree on Grace is, I believe God the favor is done out of Love.

Grace is a combination of love and redemption.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Do you see the everything Jesus taught as descriptive not prescriptive?

John 3 is prescriptive. How is one born again

 

[Runningman]

well if we read 1 John, which was undoubtedly written to believers that were in some large proportion gentile, it appears that this new commandment applies both to the Jew and the non-Jew alike, without distinction.
a second witness is Paul in Romans 13 & ((famously)) 1 Corinthians 13 -- also written to primarily gentile believers -- while 1 John is a clear link to the new commandment to love as Christ loved, even though Paul doesn't spell out the citation he clearly views love as a command, and when he speaks of love, it is the love Christ demonstrated that he speaks of.

so it applies to all who believe the gospel, IMO.

This article may be of interest to you. It’s called The Old New Commandment.

https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-7-old-new-commandment-1-john-27-11

 

[posthuman]

the truth of the gospel makes some people's eyelids heavy, apparently.
they want to shut their eyes, tune it all out, and sleep -- i suppose hoping that when they awake the truth will have gone away?

 

[Magenta]

Grace is a combination of love and redemption.

In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins

 

[Goliath]

There is no need for you to lie and make things up. Why do you do it?

I am pointing out your false accusations to open your eyes to the fact you do not keep the commandments.

You are self deceived if you believe you do.

Ok

 

[Goliath]

Who has said otherwise? Or is this another of your erroneous assumptions? It is starting to look like a pattern with you.

Okay

 

[Magenta]

the truth of the gospel makes some people's eyelids heavy, apparently.
they want to shut their eyes, tune it all out, and sleep -- i suppose hoping
that when they awake the truth will have gone away?

It seems some believe they have merited God's favor.

Whereas the Bible teaches otherwise.

I do wonder about those who believe themselves to be sinless while they go about sinning.

And it is quite concerning how their hammering on about the need to be sinless interferes
with the ability of some, those who are perhaps not well grounded in their faith, to achieve
the sense of freedom, peace, and abundance we are promised in Christ. Jesus had a thing
or two to say about that, also. Such as it would be better if those who do such harm
had never been born. I wonder how seriously they take such verses.

 

[Goliath]

God wrote with His own finger we are to keep the Sabbath, and there's nothing in the NT discounting that...what you characterize as "subjective" is actually ancillary evidence, albeit unnecessary, to an already firmly established Biblical precedent of resting and gathering once a week on Sabbath. The only ambiguity that exists about this matter is in the mind of those who are unwilling to do the will of God.

Yes...I agree...God did write that Law with his finger, but he also outlined the provisions of the Sabbath Law.
None of which, calls for us to gather on the Sabbath. Now if I am wrong, show me where God, and I said God, added the provision where we are to gather on Sunday. Just because folks gather on the Sabbath, doesn't mean God changed the Sabbath. If you can not show me...it's a tradition created by men.

 

[Magenta]

Speaking of hammering...

I watched this video last night.

There is a lot of hammering in it

 

[Magenta]

Yes...I agree...God did write that Law with his finger, but he also outlined the provisions of the Sabbath Law.
None of which, calls for us to gather on the Sabbath. Now if I am wrong, show me where God, and I said God, added the provision where we are to gather on Sunday. Just because folks gather on the Sabbath, doesn't mean God changed the Sabbath. If you can not show me...it's a tradition created by men.

Your post is not clear: are you saying God commanded the people to gather together for corporate worship on the Sabbath day?

PS~ there is certainly no commandment not to gather on any particular day.

In fact, we have Colossians 2:16~

Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.

 

[Goliath]

Jesus never said:

we are saved when we believe we can save ourselves.

Why do you erroneously assume things and then make false accusations?

I am asking with the hope it open your eyes to your sinful nature.

Jesus used questions for the same application

It's implied, but as I said, you identify as a victim, so I will not bother you anymore.

 

[Magenta]

It's implied, but as I said, you identify as a victim, so I will not bother you anymore.

Pointing out a lie you told is not identifying as a victim, but I see you are not
interested at all in correcting your error, and prefer to remain in your sin.

 

[Goliath]

Pointing out a lie you told is not identifying as a victim, but I see you are not interested at all in correcting your error.

I was trying to have a mature conversation with you, but I discovered I can't engage you in one without you getting your feelings hurt. So I will not even make an attempt.

 

[Magenta]

I was trying to have a mature conversation with you, but I discovered I can't engage you in one without you getting your feelings hurt. So I will not even make an attempt.

Perhaps if you stopped blatantly lying about those you pretend to
wish to have mature conversations with, it would go better for you.

And since you blatantly lie and refuse to repent, it is obvious you do not keep
the commandments, which, according to you, means God does not love you.

 

[posthuman]

keep the Sabbath day

ritualized physical observance of a day is clearly a ceremonial activity.

 

[Goliath]

Perhaps if you stopped blatantly lying about those you pretend to
wish to have mature conversations with, it would go better for you.

And since you blatantly lie and refuse to repent, it is obvious you do not keep
the commandments, which, according to you, means God does not love you.

Whatever

 

[Phoneman-777]

you realize that is from Romans 2, right?
where Paul makes the argument that no one is justified by the law, nor can anyone be, therefore God's righteousness is by faith -- culminating in the answer to this, our salvation, in Romans 6-8 where he explains that whoever has been found in Christ has died to the law, is no longer under it, cannot be judged by it, and is by no means beholden to it?
that this is the gospel of our salvation?

and this reinforces the point i made earlier this morning: we are set free from the law, made a new creation in Christ for works of righteousness He sets before us. that very righteousness is therefore separate from the law. the law is a shadow of it made for the unrighteous to condemn sin in them. righteousness exists outside of the law; the law is for the unrighteous.

look at circumcision: a physical command presaging the law, superseding physical sabbath observance because a child is circumcised even on a sabbath; that 8th day is greater than the 7th. yet God does not require of us circumcision with human hands/works. physical circumcision is worthless - but this worthless thing is greater than physical sabbath observance!
the circumcision that avails is the circumcision by God's hand, of the heart. likewise the rest that we enter is a spiritual rest: a real rest.


have you really not yet understood?

Paul says those who do the law are justified in His sight, not those who hear only. Do you believe Paul?

 

[Phoneman-777]

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God's definition of milk happens to be your private definition of meat:

Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to maturity, ​

not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God​

(Hebrews 6:1)​

What God expects us to consider a delight to do, you and the rest of your antinomianist friends consider grievous.

"I delight to do thy will, O my God. Yea, Thy law is within my heart". - Psalms 40:8 KJV
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not grievous."
- 1 John 5:3 KJV