Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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I agree...it does sound kinda goofy in the manner in which many understand it. But you must recognize the fact, that not everyone who calls Jesus, 'Lord, 'Lord, will be saved.
"Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
(Luke 6:46)
Jesus told us this in the Gospel of Salvation...and now I am telling you. The church is full of this type of Christian, the foolish builder, because of a belief just like yours. Look again at (John 8:34-35).
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
Notice in the passage...both the slave and the Son are in the same family. Do you think the unbeliever is in the family?
Jesus is talking about those who recognize themselves as sinners...(All Christians before they are born of God) and those who have overcome sin..becoming the Sons of God. So..as a teacher with both types of Christians...the disciples were Simply addressing both types in these statements.
"Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
(Luke 6:46)
Jesus told us this in the Gospel of Salvation...and now I am telling you. The church is full of this type of Christian, the foolish builder, because of a belief just like yours. Look again at (John 8:34-35).
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
Notice in the passage...both the slave and the Son are in the same family. Do you think the unbeliever is in the family?
Jesus is talking about those who recognize themselves as sinners...(All Christians before they are born of God) and those who have overcome sin..becoming the Sons of God. So..as a teacher with both types of Christians...the disciples were Simply addressing both types in these statements.
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FreeGrace2 said:
Well, thanks for the clarity. We are very far apart in our theologies.
So you think. That's what everyone thinks. Why would anyone admit that their theology comes from any other source?
But your theology does NOT line up with the Bible, whether you understand that or not.
I see that you don't understand what Jesus was telling this rich young ruler then. He thought he would "inherit eternal life" by 'keeping the Law". And he did keep some or most of them. So what? Jesus went to his heart and proved to him that he wasn't even keeping the first and MOST IMPORTANT commandment. He loved his wealth way more than God. That is why he went away sad.
He wasn't even ready to hear the gospel. He thought he would get into heaven by keeping some of the Law.
FreeGrace2 said:
And the rest of your post highly suggests that you think lifestyle is part of the manner in which we get saved. That is exactly what the Pharisees of Jesus' day thought as well. And Jesus really reamed them for it.
So you think the crowd at the GWT judgment agrees with you? Sure, maybe they do. They all were hoping to avoid the lake of fire based on their deeds. That's the point Jesus made in Matt 7:21-23.
The point of being judged based on their deeds was to determine the level of "tolerability" IN the LoF.
This is what Jesus taught about the varying levels of tolerability in the LoF:
Matt 11:24 - But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.”
That's all that works will get you. A somewhat more tolerable place in the LoF. That's all.
If you are basing your lifestyle on getting into heaven, then know this: you'd better hustle with all your might, because all you're going to get for all that work and effort is a somewhat more tolerable place in the LoF.
That is what Jesus taught.
Well, thanks for the clarity. We are very far apart in our theologies.
So you think. That's what everyone thinks. Why would anyone admit that their theology comes from any other source?
But your theology does NOT line up with the Bible, whether you understand that or not.
I see that you don't understand what Jesus was telling this rich young ruler then. He thought he would "inherit eternal life" by 'keeping the Law". And he did keep some or most of them. So what? Jesus went to his heart and proved to him that he wasn't even keeping the first and MOST IMPORTANT commandment. He loved his wealth way more than God. That is why he went away sad.
He wasn't even ready to hear the gospel. He thought he would get into heaven by keeping some of the Law.
FreeGrace2 said:
And the rest of your post highly suggests that you think lifestyle is part of the manner in which we get saved. That is exactly what the Pharisees of Jesus' day thought as well. And Jesus really reamed them for it.
So you think the crowd at the GWT judgment agrees with you? Sure, maybe they do. They all were hoping to avoid the lake of fire based on their deeds. That's the point Jesus made in Matt 7:21-23.
The point of being judged based on their deeds was to determine the level of "tolerability" IN the LoF.
This is what Jesus taught about the varying levels of tolerability in the LoF:
Matt 11:24 - But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.”
That's all that works will get you. A somewhat more tolerable place in the LoF. That's all.
If you are basing your lifestyle on getting into heaven, then know this: you'd better hustle with all your might, because all you're going to get for all that work and effort is a somewhat more tolerable place in the LoF.
That is what Jesus taught.
Let's take a look at an abbreviated ten commandments.
The Ten Commandments (from Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy: you shall do no work.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, servant, ox, donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.
What do you see? I see a lot of don't do this and don't do that.
Loving others entails a lot of don'ts. True religion is looking after those in need.
The Ten Commandments (from Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy: you shall do no work.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, servant, ox, donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.
What do you see? I see a lot of don't do this and don't do that.
Loving others entails a lot of don'ts. True religion is looking after those in need.
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No they are not. They have not been adopted in the family of God
John said if WE (those who are brothers and sisters in christ) Claim you are without sin. WE DECEIVE OURSELF
Now unless you want to confess and admit there are times you still chose to serve self and Not God and others.. Then you have an issue, and you should heed Johns words.
John said if WE (those who are brothers and sisters in christ) Claim you are without sin. WE DECEIVE OURSELF
Now unless you want to confess and admit there are times you still chose to serve self and Not God and others.. Then you have an issue, and you should heed Johns words.
Let's take a look at an abbreviated ten commandments.
The Ten Commandments (from Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy: you shall do no work.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, servant, ox, donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.
What do you see? I see a lot of don't do this and don't do that.
Loving others entails a lot of don'ts. True religion is looking after those in need.
The Ten Commandments (from Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy: you shall do no work.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, servant, ox, donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.
What do you see? I see a lot of don't do this and don't do that.
Loving others entails a lot of don'ts. True religion is looking after those in need.
(Exodus 20:5-6)
