Replacement theology.

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Avoid auto typing and correctives.

And, ya, why could not God have saved people in americas or southern africa that time through dreams or visions. The Spirit leading them to avoid uncleanliness and such. Who are we to set a limit for that? And I am very OK with God doing so. :)
Ephesians 2:11-12 not clear enough for both of you?

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
 
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Well, thanks. I guess you have some dispensational background, seeing the stress you make of an earthly millenium with Israel as leading nation. Although, as you understand, I am not in full agreement, there are some interesting things you brought up.

So, since you say we can opt out water baptism, what is the sign and seal of the covenant today, as you see it?
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

I trust that the seal by the Holy Spirit is enough for you?
 

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It’s like this
if god says a,b,c,d and e will happen

And only a,b and c can be confirmed as fulfilled
the. d and e Must be yet future

You do not spiritualize or make take a symbolic view if d and e so you can make them appear to happen

It’s going back to the basics
You're just repeating the same error Judaism uses for why Jesus isn't their Messiah.....the Messiah will do a,b,c,d,e and Jesus didn't do any of them. They're wrong and so is your way of thinking.
 
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You're just repeating the same error Judaism uses for why Jesus isn't their Messiah.....the Messiah will do a,b,c,d,e and Jesus didn't do any of them. They're wrong and so is your way of thinking.
God is bound by His promises, which are everlasting.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You're just repeating the same error Judaism uses for why Jesus isn't their Messiah.....the Messiah will do a,b,c,d,e and Jesus didn't do any of them. They're wrong and so is your way of thinking.
the jews did nothing recieve Jesus because they did not think they needed an eternal savior they expected a king to free them from Rome!

They misread prophecy and missed the hidden mystery as Paul spoke the law became a stumbling stone

They also like you reject OT prophecy concerning the time of the messiah even rejecting Daniel as a prophet. Because according to them Daniels prophecies failed (and according the law God have concerning prophets he is thus deemed a false prophet)

I am not wrong my friend. Jesus fulfilled part of Daniels and other prophecies concerning the suffering servant literally. He will also fulfill the messianic prophecies literally also

Sadly like them. You do not see them either only you make them Symbolic instead of taking them literally.
They rejected him because they took him literally but misinterpreted
You reject because you take them symbolically so it fits your belief system
Your both wrong
 
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Zech.12 is about what Jesus did and continues to do by the Holy Spirit. What's your point?
Yes it is literally hapoening
The last part if zech 12 will happen also
 
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Replacement theology does not even make sense....think about this for a moment.
Jesus is a jew....God created the race of the jews. Jesus is found in all of scripture. He came not to destroy....not to change...but to fulfill the scriptures. If it wasn't for the Jewish race we would not even know of the God of the hebrews.
God sends a jew to preach to the gentiles. Christ came first for the jews. And we the gentiles are nearly grafted in to the promises of Abraham.
But yet the church somehow supersedes Israel? Saints we are grafted in not the other way around.

Stop rewriting history.....God's history....and start reading your bible and not man's theory of it.
 
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Nobody’s rewriting history, we are affirming what the Bible says. Gods chosen people are those who:
  1. Obey Gods voice.
  2. Keep Gods commandments.
  3. Keep Gods covenant.

Exo 19:5 (KJV) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

We preach against those who teach that Gods chosen people are those who:
  1. Don’t obey Gods voice.
  2. Don’t Keep Gods commandments.
  3. Don’t keep Gods covenant.
 
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Nobody’s rewriting history, we are affirming what the Bible says. Gods chosen people are those who:
  1. Obey Gods voice.
  2. Keep Gods commandments.
  3. Keep Gods covenant.

Exo 19:5 (KJV) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

We preach against those who teach that Gods chosen people are those who:
  1. Don’t obey Gods voice.
  2. Don’t Keep Gods commandments.
  3. Don’t keep Gods covenant.
You my friend are very misguided. To study by yourself on your own!!!! It shows.
I'm waiting for a new thread approval....it will blow your false rapture theory out of the water. Along with this replacement theology. I also pray that it will bless you all in that some of you need to empty your book shelves with this man's nonsense .
Would you allow me to pray for your blindness to be removed? I'm really concerned about where you are headed.
 
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You my friend are very misguided. To study by yourself on your own!!!! It shows.
I'm waiting for a new thread approval....it will blow your false rapture theory out of the water. Along with this replacement theology. I also pray that it will bless you all in that some of you need to empty your book shelves with this man's nonsense .
Would you allow me to pray for your blindness to be removed? I'm really concerned about where you are headed.
But you didn't counter anything I posted. What part of my post is in grievous error? Please point out the details of the errors.
 
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Isa 65:1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

Isa 65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;

Isa 65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;

Isa 65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

Isa 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Isa 65:6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,

Isa 65:7 Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

All of the above is about Jews who don't love God, don't keep his commandments and don't keep his covenant.... these are not God's elect.


Isa 65:8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
This is the handful of Jews that are a blessing. Even though God is going to destroy the cluster, he is't going to destroy them. These are the Jews that love God, keep his commandments and keep his covenant.

Isa 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
Jesus inherits the kingdom of God from the Jews who don't love God, don't keep his commandments and don't keep his covenant and gives that kingdom to the good Jews who love God, keep his commandments and keep his covenant.
 
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Isa 65:11 But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
These God haters prepared the table for that troop that I last mentioned, God's people.

Isa 65:12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

Isa 65:13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:

Isa 65:14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

The ones in red are God's chosen people, the ones in black are the God hating Jews.

Verse 15 is very important! It says that the WICKED Jews name is a CURSE to the CHOSEN Jews. God will slay the wicked Jews and call his servants by another name!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Replacement theology does not even make sense....think about this for a moment.
Jesus is a jew....God created the race of the jews. Jesus is found in all of scripture. He came not to destroy....not to change...but to fulfill the scriptures. If it wasn't for the Jewish race we would not even know of the God of the hebrews.
God sends a jew to preach to the gentiles. Christ came first for the jews. And we the gentiles are nearly grafted in to the promises of Abraham.
But yet the church somehow supersedes Israel? Saints we are grafted in not the other way around.

Stop rewriting history.....God's history....and start reading your bible and not man's theory of it.
It’s not just this

God made a promise to them,

if God breaks his promise to them, what is to give us any hope God will not keep his promise to us?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You my friend are very misguided. To study by yourself on your own!!!! It shows.
I'm waiting for a new thread approval....it will blow your false rapture theory out of the water. Along with this replacement theology. I also pray that it will bless you all in that some of you need to empty your book shelves with this man's nonsense .
Would you allow me to pray for your blindness to be removed? I'm really concerned about where you are headed.
After discussing this with hm for many years, I do. It think you can say anything to change his view. About the best you can do is counter him so others who see and see the issues with his belief system and not just follow blindly
 
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It’s not just this

God made a promise to them,

if God breaks his promise to them, what is to give us any hope God will not keep his promise to us?
Could you list a few verses that prove your point that God promises things to people who hate him and his son?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Could you list a few verses that prove your point that God promises things to people who hate him and his son?
See, this is @KJV1611 issue

he co it uses to think we believe god will restore a people who hate him and his son

he is incapable of hearing a thing we say, and because he is to proud to even admit he may be wrong, he co it uses with this false understanding, which has no basis of fact

this is why I stated, no matter what you say he will not change, he only sees what he wants to see. Whether is is true or not
 
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See, this is @KJV1611 issue

he co it uses to think we believe god will restore a people who hate him and his son

he is incapable of hearing a thing we say, and because he is to proud to even admit he may be wrong, he co it uses with this false understanding, which has no basis of fact

this is why I stated, no matter what you say he will not change, he only sees what he wants to see. Whether is is true or not
Why should I believe you over the Bible? Your position is so weak that when I ask you for bible verses all I get this slanderous response.

Step up and defend your position from the Bible rather than from your words alone.