Repentance

[joseph123]

No one who believes in obeying the law after having received mercy and graqce by the Blood of the Passover Lamb of God even entertains obeying all 611-13 laws.

All who learn of Jesus, Yeshua, know well He has made the lion's portion of those laws no longer in effect.

He mad foods clean with blessing before eating.

He completed the laws of Sacrifice being the Only eternal Sacrifice for the sins of man.

He irraticated the laws of priesthood, for He is the High Priest and we now are the priests tot he Most High.

He is the Chief and the Cornerston of the Tmple while we are the lving stones of the same...by the way, remember Jesus said there will not be one stone left upon the other in reference to the Temple.

And so many more.

The law is now on our hearts, however this is no excuse to disobey the remaining written laws that got toegether to make up the two great laws of Love. We know those laws by our new nature..

No manor waman will arrive in heaven by obeying the laws, but no man nor woman will ever gain heaven by living in abject disobedience. We, as good children, know to obey our Father...those who do not know this are either temporarily deceived or followers of something else other thant the Word.

You're right that the sacrificial laws are no longer in effect. However, the other laws, such as the dietary laws of not eating bacon or shellfish, leaving leftover crops at harvest, etc. can still be followed for extra favor from God and they are included in the commandments to love God and to love your neighbor.

 

[Lanolin]

There are so many posts against obedience to God's law I'm wondering if they also object to repentance or if Christians think Christ wants us to repent?

Which law are you talking about. I dont think so.

Remember gentiles werent under the law in the first place, and had not come under the old covenant the one made with Moses that had curses and blessings for disobeying or obeying so cant repent of not keeping the sabbath or not being circumcised for example if they were never given it in the first place. But while they were ignorant and without the law, what one must repent of is not acknowleding or beleiving in God.

It is best to read Romans to understand this check out chapter 2 esp verse 12-16

Note that it is the work of the law written in their HEARTS, their conscience bearing witness.

Note these werent written on the stone tablets God gave to Moses. Or the law books of leviticus and deuteronomy. They were written in our hearts.

 

[JaumeJ]

If gentiles never learned the law, how is it they learned to repent of sin? Sin is breaking the law.

People are just dying to leave out all of the teachings handed down to the first believers, the Jew first and then the Greek.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If gentiles never learned the law, how is it they learned to repent of sin? Sin is breaking the law.

People are just dying to leave out all of the teachings handed down to the first believers, the Jew first and then the Greek.

As paul,said, even gentils who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law (it is written in our DNA) and even those in romans 1 do not have an excuse.

Fact is, especially as a christian, day f you do nt know what sin is, you have major problems.

 

[Dino246]

You're right that the sacrificial laws are no longer in effect. However, the other laws, such as the dietary laws of not eating bacon or shellfish, leaving leftover crops at harvest, etc. can still be followed for extra favor from God and they are included in the commandments to love God and to love your neighbor.

Hogwash. You really don't understand the distinction between old and new covenants.

Please read Acts 10 and Acts 15, and Galatians in its entirety.

God doesn't dish out "extra" favour to Christians for following laws from the Mosaic covenant. There is no support for that in Scripture.

 

[Grandpa]

Hogwash. You really don't understand the distinction between old and new covenants.

Please read Acts 10 and Acts 15, and Galatians in its entirety.

God doesn't dish out "extra" favour to Christians for following laws from the Mosaic covenant. There is no support for that in Scripture.

At least this legalist is honest in why he does what he does and why he believes it.

He's 100% wrong, but you have to admire his honesty and his gumption.

Plus, I don't think he likes you... lol

 

[Grandpa]

I used to think that repentance meant being sorry for sinning against God.

I thought repentance meant to turn away from sin and stop doing it at one time as well.


But now I think of repentance as turning from my own ways and thoughts and turning to the Lord Jesus Christ and abiding in Him and His Rest.

I'm sure that is probably way too much to handle for all the lawyers right now. Probably repentance really means working at the law even harder and better than you did yesterday. To bad theres only one Saturday in the week. It would be super good of us if we could keep 2 sabbaths.

 

[joseph123]

At least this legalist is honest in why he does what he does and why he believes it.

He's 100% wrong, but you have to admire his honesty and his gumption.

Plus, I don't think he likes you... lol

Woe to the one who thinks that keeping the 10 Commandments is legalism. "Legalism" is thinking that you have to keep the whole Torah to go to heaven, not following a few simple and obvious rules. If someone steals, habitually lies, fornicates and never forgives anyone per the 10 Commandments then how will they look Jesus in the eye on Judgment Day? It's too easy not to do those things. If you do those things, then how can you argue that faith automatically makes you righteous? Jesus himself said

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’'"

Everyone who disregards God's laws, habitually violating their conscience, will go to the lake of fire.

And yes Grandpa, it's obvious that Dino will never change and there's no point in trying to convince him. It's not too late for you, however.

http://www.amightywind.com/guestprophets/081314sylthunder.html

 

[joseph123]

Keeping the 10 Commandments is not legalism, but more along the lines of doing what you know you should be doing in the first place. If you always do the wrong thing, living like Satan, do you think you will go to heaven? Absolutely not.

 

[Dino246]

Keeping the 10 Commandments is not legalism, but more along the lines of doing what you know you should be doing in the first place. If you always do the wrong thing, living like Satan, do you think you will go to heaven? Absolutely not.

Ah... the classic legalist response: if you aren't trying to keep the commandments, then you're a wanton sinner.

Fallacy! False dichotomy.

 

[joseph123]

Ah... the classic legalist response: if you aren't trying to keep the commandments, then you're a wanton sinner.

Fallacy! False dichotomy.

I only presented a dichotomy to make it clear. Your reasoning process justifies the wanton sinner who believes in Jesus but murders and eats babies. There is clearly. Some. Line. That you cross where you sin too much to go to heaven. That line is somewhere near the 10 Commandments.

 

[Rightlydivided]

There are so many posts against obedience to God's law I'm wondering if they also object to repentance or if Christians think Christ wants us to repent?

Repent of what? “To change your mind” what do we change our minds about?

 

[Grandpa]

Woe to the one who thinks that keeping the 10 Commandments is legalism. "Legalism" is thinking that you have to keep the whole Torah to go to heaven, not following a few simple and obvious rules. If someone steals, habitually lies, fornicates and never forgives anyone per the 10 Commandments then how will they look Jesus in the eye on Judgment Day? It's too easy not to do those things. If you do those things, then how can you argue that faith automatically makes you righteous? Jesus himself said

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’'"

Everyone who disregards God's laws, habitually violating their conscience, will go to the lake of fire.

And yes Grandpa, it's obvious that Dino will never change and there's no point in trying to convince him. It's not too late for you, however.

http://www.amightywind.com/guestprophets/081314sylthunder.html

2 Corinthians 3:13-16
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Do you understand these scriptures?

 

[joseph123]

2 Corinthians 3:13-16
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Do you understand these scriptures?

That's one of the more difficult passages to understand. In my opinion it basically means that in Moses' day people could not understand the point of the law. Only Christians can see the purpose of the law, which is of course, love.

 

[Grandpa]

That's one of the more difficult passages to understand. In my opinion it basically means that in Moses' day people could not understand the point of the law. Only Christians can see the purpose of the law, which is of course, love.

The purpose of the law is to bring you to Christ.

Once you come to Christ the vail is taken away and you are no longer under the 10 commandments. You are under Grace instead.

Its hard for people who are convinced they must work at the 10 commandments to fathom.

 

[joseph123]

The purpose of the law is to bring you to Christ.

Once you come to Christ the vail is taken away and you are no longer under the 10 commandments. You are under Grace instead.

Its hard for people who are convinced they must work at the 10 commandments to fathom.

Then we simply disagree. Sorry. I don't think you understood that passage correctly either.

 

[joseph123]

Another point I'd like to bring up is this notion that the law is supposed to bring you to Christ. How incorrect is that today, where most people know about Christ but almost nobody knows about the Mosaic law? The law brought Israel to Christ. That doesn't apply to the people of today. Just a minor point.

 

[Grandpa]

Then we simply disagree. Sorry. I don't think you understood that passage correctly either.

I like your honesty.

Yes. We simply disagree.

 

[joseph123]

I like your honesty.

Yes. We simply disagree.

I think a big factor in our disagreement is the different material that I've read. In addition to the Bible I have also researched a ton of other material including many Youtube videos and comments covering this topic, revelations from God on YouTube, Near Death Experiences describing information given to people by God and Angels, and also the present day ministry known as AlmightyWind, which claims to receive direct revelations from God. AlmightyWind contends that we should keep the 10 Commandments. Their website is AlmightyWind.com

 

[Grandpa]

Another point I'd like to bring up is this notion that the law is supposed to bring you to Christ. How incorrect is that today, where most people know about Christ but almost nobody knows about the Mosaic law? The law brought Israel to Christ. That doesn't apply to the people of today. Just a minor point.

The law does bring us to Christ.

Not just those who practice Judaism.

Why else would someone need a Saviour? Why would a person need to be saved from their sin if they didn't know what sin was?