question: Can an unsaved person be baptized in the Holy Spirit?
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the Holy Spirit, wants me to give up sole possession of Myself! [and we know how tough that is to do]
Because, I am the Property of God!
those possessed by evil, are the property of Satan
no matter what, we are Serving someone in how we are living individually.
we are in Possession of either God or Satan!
that is physical to the Condition of my Soul and spirit.
Because, I am the Property of God!
those possessed by evil, are the property of Satan
no matter what, we are Serving someone in how we are living individually.
we are in Possession of either God or Satan!
that is physical to the Condition of my Soul and spirit.
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I've been involved in Spiritual Warfare.
a spirit, inside a human, is causing the human to do stupid harmful things to themselves.
a spirit, is physically controlling the human mind and body.
Now, if we could allow ourselves to be controlled by God like that, i could move a literal physical mountain!
not just what has been done.
a spirit, inside a human, is causing the human to do stupid harmful things to themselves.
a spirit, is physically controlling the human mind and body.
Now, if we could allow ourselves to be controlled by God like that, i could move a literal physical mountain!
not just what has been done.
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Before his death? Fair enough.
But these guys?
In Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and those with him were converted through Peter's message. That they were saved before being baptized is evident from their reception of the Holy Spirit (v. 44) and the gifts of the Spirit (v. 46) before their baptism. Indeed, it is the fact that they had received the Holy Spirit (and hence were saved) that led Peter to baptize them.
Peter asked why anyone should stand in the way of water baptism since it was clear that they had already received the Holy Spirit.
Strange way to treat a a ritual you say is needed to receive the Holy Ghost and salvation.
Acts 11:11
"Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost."
Romans 10:9-11
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
The Bible does not teach any work, commandment or ordinance is required for salvation.
But these guys?
In Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and those with him were converted through Peter's message. That they were saved before being baptized is evident from their reception of the Holy Spirit (v. 44) and the gifts of the Spirit (v. 46) before their baptism. Indeed, it is the fact that they had received the Holy Spirit (and hence were saved) that led Peter to baptize them.
Peter asked why anyone should stand in the way of water baptism since it was clear that they had already received the Holy Spirit.
Strange way to treat a a ritual you say is needed to receive the Holy Ghost and salvation.
Acts 11:11
"Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost."
Romans 10:9-11
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
The Bible does not teach any work, commandment or ordinance is required for salvation.
when people say Baptized in the Holy Spirit, it goes well beyond some mind awareness.
the Holy Spirit has God's Will for you to do and wants you to get going and doing it.
that's how i know many are not Saved.
the Holy Spirit wants you to be active.
the majority are not active at all.
if they were full of the Holy Spirit, their in-activeness would become such a problem they would get a clue.
but many don't have that clue by saying i have not seen God do this or that.
Yeah, i believe You!
those without God, they don't get to ever see the real Good stuff
the Holy Spirit has God's Will for you to do and wants you to get going and doing it.
that's how i know many are not Saved.
the Holy Spirit wants you to be active.
the majority are not active at all.
if they were full of the Holy Spirit, their in-activeness would become such a problem they would get a clue.
but many don't have that clue by saying i have not seen God do this or that.
Yeah, i believe You!
those without God, they don't get to ever see the real Good stuff
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metaphysical
1 of 2adjective
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: of or relating to the transcendent (see TRANSCENDENT sense 1) or to a reality beyond what is perceptible to the senses
b
: SUPERNATURAL
"metaphysical, is a condition of the MIND!
the Holy Spirit PHYSICALLY LIVES inside my heart." Your "heart"? You mean your non-physical (metaphoric) heart? The Holy Spirit is not physical but Spirit, hence the name. The Holy Spirit does not "PHYSICALLY LIVE" anywhere. Simply put your words are bogus.
I will not address the rest of your comments since they are but childish insults.
1 of 2adjective
a
: of or relating to the transcendent (see TRANSCENDENT sense 1) or to a reality beyond what is perceptible to the senses
b
: SUPERNATURAL
"metaphysical, is a condition of the MIND!
the Holy Spirit PHYSICALLY LIVES inside my heart." Your "heart"? You mean your non-physical (metaphoric) heart? The Holy Spirit is not physical but Spirit, hence the name. The Holy Spirit does not "PHYSICALLY LIVE" anywhere. Simply put your words are bogus.
I will not address the rest of your comments since they are but childish insults.
Listen, that is completely uncalled for. To say such a thing only displays your lack of self-control, anger, and sin. What you said was not Christ-like or edifying. That is not even the right way to disagree with someone. And it doesn't represent those here on CC, and you should be considered to be banned.
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then by all means, allow every false doctrine to be brought forth here and not be rebuked.
i talk to the possessed in a like manner, because, the spirit inside knows, who, is being addressed.
who, do you think, i am speaking to?
as a Preacher, I really don't understand how you have no Discernment at all. a Preacher, must have Discernment!
i talk to the possessed in a like manner, because, the spirit inside knows, who, is being addressed.
who, do you think, i am speaking to?
as a Preacher, I really don't understand how you have no Discernment at all. a Preacher, must have Discernment!
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are you talking about being possessed by an evil spirit ?
Did you know Islam believe that if you get possessed by an evil spirit that's it for them,
But Jesus says different
I don't think this is completely accurate.
theres scripture that says a child can be possessed and there's scripture that says a child will not be subject to God's wrath untill they know right from wrong.
I personaly feel there's a lot of questions not answered on this matter and I highly suspect the church are ignoring it because of fear they may become possessed themselves or there is some possible scripture that's been lost, that perhaps gives a person possessed the chance to recieve the holy spirit.
I also wonder if such a child can recieve the holy spirit if there possessed.
I've read that some people have not been able to perform deliverance on people who had an unclean spirit. Why would that be ?
If they where just a child when there possession happened.
Did you know Islam believe that if you get possessed by an evil spirit that's it for them,
But Jesus says different
I don't think this is completely accurate.
theres scripture that says a child can be possessed and there's scripture that says a child will not be subject to God's wrath untill they know right from wrong.
I personaly feel there's a lot of questions not answered on this matter and I highly suspect the church are ignoring it because of fear they may become possessed themselves or there is some possible scripture that's been lost, that perhaps gives a person possessed the chance to recieve the holy spirit.
I also wonder if such a child can recieve the holy spirit if there possessed.
I've read that some people have not been able to perform deliverance on people who had an unclean spirit. Why would that be ?
If they where just a child when there possession happened.
Just for edification for everyone regarding tge thief on the cross abd common misunderstanding. Something I've posted previously here and elsewhere.
The thief on the cross misconceptions
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I continually encounter people trying to justify that baptism is not an absolute necessity for one's salvation by use (erroneously) of the thief on the cross as justification, as he was not baptized but yet saved by the Lord, which is true! BUT, the error in this is the lack of understanding of the scriptures. You must read and understand Hebrews 9:15-17 which clarifies why the thief on the cross was saved by Jesus without being baptized. Christ was still alive when this occurred meaning it was done while the old testament or covenant was still in effect; the new testament had not yet been established because Christ had not yet died. And since the Lord was still alive no one could possibly be baptized into Christ under NT salvation criteria. Baptism did not become a requirement as part of salvation until the new testament began which was after the death of Christ. Jesus forgave the thief on the cross no different than he forgave others during his earthly ministry, such as the woman caught in the act of adultery as recorded in John 8. Baptism should not even be an issue when discussing the thief on the cross, but unfortunately always is, but in error.
Hebrews 9:15-17
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
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The thief on the cross misconceptions
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Post Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:10 pm
I continually encounter people trying to justify that baptism is not an absolute necessity for one's salvation by use (erroneously) of the thief on the cross as justification, as he was not baptized but yet saved by the Lord, which is true! BUT, the error in this is the lack of understanding of the scriptures. You must read and understand Hebrews 9:15-17 which clarifies why the thief on the cross was saved by Jesus without being baptized. Christ was still alive when this occurred meaning it was done while the old testament or covenant was still in effect; the new testament had not yet been established because Christ had not yet died. And since the Lord was still alive no one could possibly be baptized into Christ under NT salvation criteria. Baptism did not become a requirement as part of salvation until the new testament began which was after the death of Christ. Jesus forgave the thief on the cross no different than he forgave others during his earthly ministry, such as the woman caught in the act of adultery as recorded in John 8. Baptism should not even be an issue when discussing the thief on the cross, but unfortunately always is, but in error.
Hebrews 9:15-17
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
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yes, real life demon possessions.
not the animated movie, although, i am not saying things like that cannot happen.
but i've felt the temperature go from boiling hot and sweat just running off you to so cold and just within split second you're just feeling the physical atmosphere change like that.
but it is very real, demon possession.
not the animated movie, although, i am not saying things like that cannot happen.
but i've felt the temperature go from boiling hot and sweat just running off you to so cold and just within split second you're just feeling the physical atmosphere change like that.
but it is very real, demon possession.
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When speaking of "these guys" the Bible is using them as a descriptive event not as a prescriptive event, an important difference.
You are attempting to use the description of the household of Cornelius as a way to simply ignore the clearly prescriptive text of Acts 2:38.
Let me give you an example of another descriptive salvation event in the New Testament:
And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:
“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,so he opens not his mouth. In his humiliation justice was denied him. Who can describe his generation? For his life is taken away from the earth.”
And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The man said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.
Both Acts 8 and Acts 10 are describing to one degree or another individual salvation events. One seems to imply salvation after baptism (chapter 8) and the other implies salvation before baptism (chapter 10). Regardless of which one we may think is correct, neither can be used to ignore the very clear words of chapter 2.
Peter is not describing an event, he is prescribing the means of salvation.
There is no promise to us in chapter 10, our promise is in chapter 2.
"This promise is to you and your children. It is to all people everywhere. It is to as many as the Lord our God will call.” (Acts 2:39)
If it helps, google "prescriptive vs. descriptive grammar".
You are attempting to use the description of the household of Cornelius as a way to simply ignore the clearly prescriptive text of Acts 2:38.
Let me give you an example of another descriptive salvation event in the New Testament:
And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:
“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,so he opens not his mouth. In his humiliation justice was denied him. Who can describe his generation? For his life is taken away from the earth.”
And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The man said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.
Both Acts 8 and Acts 10 are describing to one degree or another individual salvation events. One seems to imply salvation after baptism (chapter 8) and the other implies salvation before baptism (chapter 10). Regardless of which one we may think is correct, neither can be used to ignore the very clear words of chapter 2.
Peter is not describing an event, he is prescribing the means of salvation.
There is no promise to us in chapter 10, our promise is in chapter 2.
"This promise is to you and your children. It is to all people everywhere. It is to as many as the Lord our God will call.” (Acts 2:39)
If it helps, google "prescriptive vs. descriptive grammar".
Telling someone to shove it sideways or speak about Baboon Feaces is not what Jesus would say. That is not rebuke. That is profane speech. Nor is it a display of the fruits of the Spirit. YOu can call a false teach what it is. False! Then prove it from the word of God.
I will also say you most likely would not speak that way in the presence of the person because it might be a different response back to you. That is, in my opinion, cowardly.
If you talk to the " possessed" in like manner, you are very much unlearned of spiritual warfare and deliverance.
Our Speech is to be seasoned with salt. Not profane.
You have just been admonished and rebuked. And I did not have to speak of any animals or insults to do it.
Good day.
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