Question about the Gospel message

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lightbearer

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Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins; even unto the nations, God hath granted repentance unto life.
(Act 5:3; 11:18 KJV)
 

wolfwint

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That was so obvious until Peter himself seem to have missed the memo. In Acts, Peter never wanted to preach to the Gentiles, Cornelius was a special case and even for that, the Holy Spirit had to give him several visions in order to "convince" him to go to his house. And when Peter reached the house, he had no idea what he was doing there.

Acts 10:28
And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?

How is Peter, a Jew, suppose to think the Gospel is for all, when it was unlawful for a Jew to even visit a Gentile? :)
God had to correct him. And he did in acts 10 😊
 

NayborBear

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God had to correct him. And he did in acts 10 😊

WoW man! Reading from verse 44 to the end of the chapter? I see where this Cornelius,. and many that were with him? Started speaking in tongues, and weren't baptized until afterwards!
I reckon that was the God and Father of Jesus affirming to Peter, that even uncircumcised "gentiles", were now to be included.
Didn't mean to "throw a curve" into the discussion. Just wanted to make a note of something I hadn't noticed before.
Apologies! Carry on! ;)
 

posthuman

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Would it be fair to conclude that the Gospel message is that Jesus died on the cross to receive the wrath of God in our place and that He rose on the third day?
it would be common to conclude this --

Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows:
yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
(Isaiah 53:4)

He bore our griefs and sorrows - but - we considered Him afflicted by God.
it seems to me this verse is saying that we believed He was receiving the wrath of God, but we were wrong.
He was taking our affliction & malady and carrying it on His own shoulder.


am i wrong?
 
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The Father loves the Son. Jesus, the spotless Lamb of God, never didd anything to incur wrath, . The Father could never be wrathful with the Son, but, yes, the Son has destroyed the curse of the law for us on the cross, that being the sting of deaeth due to our sin.

Think about it, there is only one creature who may be wrathful with our Lord, and it is not our Fasgther.
Didn't Jesus receive the wrath of God in our place (on the cross, and maybe before the cross)? Would anyone like to comment on this?
 

Nehemiah6

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Would it be fair to conclude that the Gospel message is that Jesus died on the cross to receive the wrath of God in our place and that He rose on the third day?
This is essentially correct. But there is a lot more to it.
 

Nehemiah6

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Didn't Jesus receive the wrath of God in our place (on the cross, and maybe before the cross)? Would anyone like to comment on this?
Study Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53.
 

NayborBear

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Didn't Jesus receive the wrath of God in our place (on the cross, and maybe before the cross)? Would anyone like to comment on this?
Just like a Jew in the old covenant who laid his hand on an animal to pass the sin onto it before the Priest sacrificed it?
So did our our Creator, put his His hand upon Christ at the cross, when Jesus was "sacrificed." The "Last time onced and for all" sacrifice/s" for all sin (except one), past present, or future, for all who would believe in Jesus.
 

lightbearer

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Just like a Jew in the old covenant who laid his hand on an animal to pass the sin onto it before the Priest sacrificed it?
So did our our Creator, put his His hand upon Christ at the cross, when Jesus was "sacrificed." The "Last time onced and for all" sacrifice/s" for all sin (except one), past present, or future, for all who would believe in Jesus.
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins; even unto the nations, God hath granted repentance unto life. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

(Acts 3:26; 5:3; 11:18; 1Pet 2:24)
 
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Didn't Jesus receive the wrath of God in our place (on the cross, and maybe before the cross)? Would anyone like to comment on this?
Reading Derek Prince "Divine exchange" would help you understand the significance of the cross.
 

Didymous

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The bible is the best book for understanding the significance of the cross.
 
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The bible is the best book for understanding the significance of the cross.
That is true but each of us grew up in different denominations, so the way the bible is being preached on the pulpit, differs depending on who is the preacher.
 

Journeyman

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Would it be fair to conclude that the Gospel message is that Jesus died on the cross to receive the wrath of God in our place and that He rose on the third day?
No. The gospel is that Jesus endured and overcame unjust suffering and death at the hands of wicked men.

That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death. Phil.3:10

And anyone who tells you Jesus suffered God's wrath doesn't know the Lord.
 
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Miri

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Would it be fair to conclude that the Gospel message is that Jesus died on the cross to receive the wrath of God in our place and that He rose on the third day?

Oh a meaty question.

Once a person gets to know the bible properly and God properly.
They realise the gospel messag started at Genesis and ends with the book
of revelation and dare I say it also continues after that as God continues to
deal with each one of us.

New Christians and those seeking God won’t understand the above and the entire
bible is too much to explain in one siting! So they get the bulls eye story. When
really it involves the entire dartboard.

The real gospel starts with the creation and how God wanted a people created in
His own image to have a relationship with Him. How Satan wasn’t having any of that
and so tempted Adam and Eve and subsequently they experienced eternal separation
from God and eternal death, also they no longer could enjoy that face to face fellowship. Sin
separated a holy God from unholy human beings.

The rest of the Old Testament is God’s story, History of how God brought about a
plan to reconcile mankind to Himself. How he strived to draw people to Himself,
how He kept a remnant of people willing to trust and obey. How people kept
letting God down again and again. But yet He still loved them with an everlasting
love nd never deviated from His plan.

Then in the New Testament God the Son put aside His Kingdom and Divine nature and
became a man, to die as a man and pay the price for mankind on the cross. His
resurrection showed the grave could not hold Him, it had no power over Him.
His resurrection, is our surety of our resurrection.

Then the rest of the New Testament is the setting up and developing of the
church of new created, washed in the blood of the lamb, born again people.
Then Revelatons, the promise of new life to come and wow all that symbolism.
A picture of Eternal life and where every tear will be wiped away, no death, no
disease, everlasting life with our Saviour God as it was always intended to be.

😊
 
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Do you think this gospel, known as the gospel of the kingdom, was meant for the gentiles too?
The spirt of the gospel was made to be poured out on the corrupted sinful flesh of mankind. Not after any man's flesh of any nation. But a new creation.
 
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pottersclay

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The gospel message is summed up in one word.......hope.
The preaching of the cross is foolishness to men without understanding the consequences of sin.