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Truth7t7

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I do not know from where you learned your etiquette, but - replacing text with '...' is a way of showing "respect" towards the author by virtue of indicating that text was removed. It is considered to be worse to simply remove text without such an indication.

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The horse is not dead.

"You started it - the least you can do is to try to understand someone else's POV - as they try to help you understand why they used the ellipsis."

You are the one beating the horse the hardest.

"Chill, brother!"
I request to all, please dont add to my text of writing, highlighting is no problem, thanks!

Gary the horse is dead, I have stated my concerns and request.

Your over exaggerated "Chill, brother!" Isn't called for in my opinion, exaggerating a simple situation

And yes we disagree on eschatology and many things, there will be no 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, just for one.
 

Truth7t7

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I know what you mean. I have done that myself (left a thread because I got tired of the nothing-but-bickering); however, also keep in mind that - that is exactly what the shills want you to do - to minimize good constructive conversation on a topic.

So - to "balance" everything appropriately - a well-placed nice-and-polite-but-firm "Cool it!" will generally suffice... (y)

;)

:)
Shills?

Jesus Christ Is Lord God Almighty, Amen!
 

Truth7t7

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This is true, for when Jesus appeared to the disciples they were afraid thinking that they were seeing a Spirit. Then He shows them His nail marks and says to them 'a spirit doesn't have flesh and bone as you see I have.'

The resurrected body is referred to as spiritual, but as you said, it doesn't mean that it is intangible. We will all be resurrected in a flesh and bone body, but with spiritual/heavenly abilities, the same as the Lord's.
I agree

Jesus Christ has a tangible body, however the "Souls" seen in Revelation 20:4 are awaiting the last day resurrection and glorified body, not tangible as those have claimed.
 

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^ [what is said with regard to "the Church which is His body"/us]

"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." - Philippians 3:21



[Jesus is the "firstfruit of the resurrection"... and His body was "tangible" both before and after His first ascension ON His Resurrection day (ON Firstfruit - Lev23:10-12)]
 

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"the One also having sealed us and having given the pledge of the Spirit in our hearts." - 2Cor1:22

"And not only so, but we ourselves, even having the firstfruit of the Spirit, also groan ourselves in ourselves, awaiting divine adoption as sons [G5206 (one word)], the redemption of our body." - Rom8:23

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." - Eph4:30
 
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^ [what is said with regard to "the Church which is His body"/us]

"Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." - Philippians 3:21



[Jesus is the "firstfruit of the resurrection"... and His body was "tangible" both before and after His first ascension ON His Resurrection day (ON Firstfruit - Lev23:10-12)]
before and after His first ascension ON His Resurrection day

Can you enlighten me on this?

Thanks!
 
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There will be a thousand years reign on earth of Jesus and His saints that rule over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.

Luk 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luk 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luk 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luk 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

The saints will rule with Jesus.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:5 and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
oe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Eze 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel.

The battle of Armageddon is when the antichrist, New Age Christ, and the world, attacks Israel after God put them all back on their land, and then Jesus comes back with all the saints and defeats the world, and saves Israel, and Jesus and the saints rule over one sixth of the heathen that God spared.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Jesus will be King over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one LORD, and His name one, which means that the heathen will only acknowledge Jesus and no other religious figure or god.

God will set His glory among the heathen, and the heathen have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship Jesus.

This is on earth for there is no heathen in heaven.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus came to fulfill the law by being a sinless man obeying God's commandments perfectly, and fulfilling all the roles of Israel which He is the perfect King, High Priest, Prophet, saint, and is the temple and sacrifice.

This must be fulfilled on earth, but Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth for He came as a humble servant.

Jesus will fulfill the role of perfect King on earth during the millennial reign fulfilling all of the law, and then heaven and earth shall pass away, and there will be a new heaven and earth the New Jerusalem.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

God will create a new heaven and a new earth, which Jesus went away from the earth to prepare a place for the saints, and the first heaven and earth shall not be remembered nor come to mind for they are associated with sin and rebellion and God does not want them to remember that so the angels and saints will remember nothing prior to the New Jerusalem but will feel as if they have always been there and nowhere else which is a place wherein dwells righteousness where sin has never been and sin will never be, and sin and rebellion will never come up again.

The former heaven shall dissolve with fervent heat, and the earth shall be burned up and all the works of it for the heaven and earth has been tainted with sin and all sin must be purged with fire.

Psa 63:9 But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The wicked shall go in to the lower parts of the earth, which Jesus went to the lower parts of the earth and conquered death and hell, which death and hell shall be cast in to the lake of fire, so the earth shall be cast in to the lake of fire where it will be burned up and all the works of it.

There will be a millennial reign on earth which Jesus and the saints will rule over the heathen and Jesus fulfills the role of perfect King on earth, and then the law will be fulfilled perfectly and heaven and earth shall pass away, and there will be a new heaven and earth the New Jerusalem.

so the earth shall be cast in to the lake of fire where it will be burned up and all the works of it.

Can you show me where in The Bible it says the earth will be cast in to the Lake of Fire as well?

Thanks!
 

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so the earth shall be cast in to the lake of fire where it will be burned up and all the works of it.

Can you show me where in The Bible it says the earth will be cast in to the Lake of Fire as well?

Thanks!
Gods word clearly teaches Jesus Christ will dissolve the existing heavens and earth by his fire in judgement, pretty clear as seen below

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 

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I request to all, please dont add to my text of writing, highlighting is no problem, thanks!
You simply aren't going to get compliance on this. Asking it is fine; expecting it is foolish.

Adding words to your quotation that you didn't write is dishonest, and nobody should do it. Deleting words in such a way as to change the meaning of what you wrote is equally dishonest. Deleting words and representing them with an ellipsis is not dishonest.

Anyone can look back and see the exact and complete wording of your post. Asking people to quote your posts in their entirety is, to be blunt, a little weird. It reminds me of a former (banned) member who got very upset when people "changed" his posts in their quotes. If that was you, I strongly suggest you drop the matter entirely, lest you be banned again.
 

Truth7t7

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You simply aren't going to get compliance on this. Asking it is fine; expecting it is foolish.

Adding words to your quotation that you didn't write is dishonest, and nobody should do it. Deleting words in such a way as to change the meaning of what you wrote is equally dishonest. Deleting words and representing them with an ellipsis is not dishonest.

Anyone can look back and see the exact and complete wording of your post. Asking people to quote your posts in their entirety is, to be blunt, a little weird. It reminds me of a former (banned) member who got very upset when people "changed" his posts in their quotes. If that was you, I strongly suggest you drop the matter entirely, lest you be banned again.
I have never been banned as you suggest, the matter has been settled, will you continue

Jesus Christ Is Lord, Amen
 
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Gods word clearly teaches Jesus Christ will dissolve the existing heavens and earth by his fire in judgement, pretty clear as seen below

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Yes, the earth will be burned up, but was asking where The Bible says that it will be from it being cast in to the Lake of Fire. Could it be from a nuclear event, or some cosmic event, etc.? (Zech. 14:12, 2 Peter 3:10) The Bible does not specify, is the reason for my reply.
 

Truth7t7

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Yes, the earth will be burned up, but was asking where The Bible says that it will be from it being cast in to the Lake of Fire. Could it be from a nuclear event, or some cosmic event, etc.? (Zech. 14:12, 2 Peter 3:10) The Bible does not specify, is the reason for my reply.
To fulfill Gods words in bold red below, the heavens and earth will be dissolved, Heavens rolled up like a scroll?

A power greater than exists in mans hands upon this earth, that's a fact!

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Isaiah 34:4KJV
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
 

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@49

The Bible says that hell will be cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:14)

Since hell is thought to be "down in/under the earth", it is probably [naturally] assumed that the whole earth will be thrown in with it...
 

Truth7t7

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@49

The Bible says that hell will be cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:14)

Since hell is thought to be "down in/under the earth", it is probably [naturally] assumed that the whole earth will be thrown in with it...
Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

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@49

The Bible says that hell will be cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:14)

Since hell is thought to be "down in/under the earth", it is probably [naturally] assumed that the whole earth will be thrown in with it...
hell/hades is cast into the LOF, not the Earth.
 
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Where Is There A Literal 1,000 Years On This Earth Seen Below, Dont Run From A Response On Your Claim?

Help me find the things claimed by "Your" teaching of a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?


The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:4 And. I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
https://bit.ly/kjvbibleapp

Then you definitely have a problem here.....keep on reaching
 

Truth7t7

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Revelation 20:4 And. I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
https://bit.ly/kjvbibleapp

Then you definitely have a problem here.....keep on reaching
Revelation 20:1-6

No Physical Earthly Kingdom (Fact)

No Physical Earthly Throne (Fact)

No Physical Earthly Mortal Humans (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
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If people of the two sides argue, what advantage have either of you? Who will want to see this argument continue? In the end neither will be believed. The best thing to do is put each other on "ignore" & post peaceful things. I can "agree to disagree", but I wont stick around to watch an argument.
Sadly that’s why although I love this topic I stay away