problem related to praying in tongues

studentoftheword · May 8, 2023

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problem related to praying in tongues

Didn't know there was any Problem related to praying in Tongues ---it is a Powerful Gift and whoever has it is very Blessed ----

Praying in tongues is listed in the 9 Gifts of the Holy Spirit ---and are alive and well today ----Folks -----I have this Gift ---this Gift is very Powerful and is a Blessing -----

I prayed in tongues the whole time my Son who is a BOMB TEC was in Afghanistan and who saw many of his buddies blown up when disarming Bombs --but he came home safe and sound -----and I attribute his coming home in one piece to God answering my prayers that I prayed in tongues for the time he was there -----His Tank was hit by a roadside Bomber and he lived ----So NO ONE can tell me that Tongues is not for Today

You cannot says Tongues is not for today and believe the other 7 gifts Are For Today ------as Tongues and the Interpretation of Tongues are Listed in the 9 gifts -----so if you don't believe Tongues and Interpretation of tongues are Relevant today then you don't believe any of these Gifts are for today ---

Word of wisdom
Word of knowledge
Gift of faith
Gift of healing
Working of miracles
Prophecy
Distinguishing between spirits
Speaking in tongues
Interpreting tongues

You either Believe the Scripture or you don't =---Jesus is the Word -------Jesus said your either for me or your against me ---there is no believing in some Scripture and discarding other pieces of scripture ---all Scripture --says it is God Breathed -----you believe it or you Don't -----

When you pray in tongues you are Praying to God -----

When you speak in tongues it comes from your inner man ---it is not from the Mind ------your mind is dormant when one speaks in tongues -----

Satan hates people Praying in tongues ----he can't block the prayer -----as he did to Daniel-----

Satan who was the Spiritual force behind the King of Persia ---blocked Daniel's Prayers to God for 21 days and the the Ark-angel Michael was sent to help Daniel ---

-Daniel 10 -----CEV

12 Daniel, don't be afraid! God has listened to your prayers since the first day you humbly asked for understanding, and he has sent me here.

13 But the guardian angel[g] of Persia opposed me for 21 days. Then Michael, who is one of the strongest guardian angels,[h] came to rescue me from the kings of Persia.[i]

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also Satan Blocked Paul's way in 1 Thessalonians 2:18 ----

1 Thessalonians 2:16-18

Expanded Bible
Paul Wants to Visit Them Again
17 Brothers and sisters, though we were ·separated [torn away; orphaned] from you for a short time, ·our thoughts were still with you [physically, not spiritually…; L in face, not in heart…]. We wanted very much to see you and tried hard to do so.

18 We wanted to come to you. I, Paul, tried to come ·more than once [again and again; L both once and twice], but Satan ·stopped [hindered; prevented] us.

There are tongues of men And of Angels ------

! Corinthians 13 ESV
The Way of Love
13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

I say ----So there is an angelic language that is given by the Holy Spirit to people who the Spirit chooses to give this gift to ------as well as tongues of men

If Tongues are used in a Church ------there needs to be someone to interpret what is being said ---that is just common sense -----so the whole Church can be edified -------all can become more Spiritual Advanced

If one is using this Gift for personal Prayer then no interpretation is needed --------it edifies the person alone ---which is helping in personal Spiritual Advancement -----

Greek word for edify

oikodomé: (the act of) building, a building
Usage: (a) the act of building, (b) a building, (c) met: spiritual advancement, edification.

So we see here tongues are used to edify and so why people say that Tongues are not for today is beyond me -----they are in the list of Spiritual Gifts and are being denied by many ----so sad -----So Glad that I have this precious Gift that has serve me very well for many years in my person prayer life ----anyone who wouldn't want this Gift in my view is a FOOL -----

wolfwint · May 8, 2023

Edify said:

Can it be, that you missunderstood my post. Nowhere I said that today are no spiritual gifts. I agree fully with your post!
Since I became the Holy Spirit, he gave me the gift for to discern the spirits.
What i said is: That no where it is in the bible taught, that all Christians will get the gift of speaking in tongues. But this is that what pentecostals and charismatics are teaching.

Nehemiah6 · May 8, 2023

Niki7 said:

If Scripture is " a worn out excuse" then you are is serious trouble. God specifically told Israel that He would use tongues to bring them to repentance, but at the same time He told them that all would not come to repentance. And that is exactly what is seen in the book of Acts. Even though thousands of Jews were saved, many thousands more were not. Indeed, Paul eventually turned away from the Jews and focused on the Gentiles. And then God brought judgment upon unbelieving Israel.

The Early Church Fathers made it clear that tongues belonged to the apostolic period:
Chrysostom (347-407):
1) “This whole place [i.e., I Corinthians 14 and its treatment of tongues] is very obscure; but the obscurity is produced by our ignorance of the facts referred to and by their cessation, being such as then used to occur but now no longer take place. And why do they not happen now? Why look now, the cause too of the obscurity hath produced us again another question: namely, why did they then happen, and now do so no more?” (Homilies on I Corinthians, 29).

Augustine (354-430): “In the earliest times, ‘the Holy Ghost fell upon them that believed; and they spake with tongues,’ which they had not learned, ‘as the Spirit gave them utterance’ [Acts 2:4]. These were signs adapted to the time. For there behooved to be that betokening of the Holy Spirit in all tongues, to shew that the Gospel of God was to run through all tongues over the whole earth. That thing was done for a betokening, and it passed away” (Homilies on the First Epistle of John 6.10).

And this corresponds to 1 Corinthians 13:8: Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Bob-Carabbio · May 8, 2023

hornetguy said:

Sorry... have to correct this... every Christian does NOT have the ability to speak in tongues, unless the Spirit decides he/she needs that gift. That verse says that all Christians will receive "A" manifestation of the Spirit, then it goes on to clarify... one Christian will receive the gift of prophesy, another will receive the gift of knowledge, another one, miracles, etc.... NOWHERE does it say that every believer will have all the manifestations. It goes directly against the idea that the church is a body, and each member has its own part to play... a hand is not a foot, an ear is not a leg, etc....

Also, God does not wish we all spoke in tongues.... PAUL wished that.... he specifically said "I" wish you all spoke in tongues..... you are being a little too loose with your comprehension of what the word actually says. While Paul was writing with the inspiration of the Spirit, there were a few times when he stated basically that "this is my opinion only".....

CS1 · May 8, 2023

TheLearner said:

problem related to praying in tongues

Matthew 6:6
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Matt 26:36
Then Jesus came with them to a garden called Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples: "Sit down here while I go and pray yonder."

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/search?q=pray+garden&translation=all

Praying like in Pentecostal / Charismatic Churches violates the teaching of Jesus above.

completely absurd

the person who started THIS THREAD HAS ONLY COMMENTED ONCE IN THE ORGINAL POST lol

shittim · May 8, 2023

God doesn't play favorites, what He will give to one, He will give to another, He is the same, yesterday, today and forever.
If we have not, it is because we ask not, if we ask and receive not we have asked amiss.
It is the same gift, the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
blessings

Edify · May 8, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

The early church fathers were mostly RCC. Besides, NONE of these 'early fathers' take precedent over the canon. Even you should know that.

Nehemiah6 said:

Cherrypicking a scripture that PLAINLY says that these things will pass away when we see Jesus face to face. Shameful & embarrassing , that is.

hornetguy · May 8, 2023

VARob said:

Well, what I stated is not my opinion.... it's scripture.

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith [d]by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of [e]healing [f]by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the [g]effecting of [h]miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the [i]distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

Anyone with elementary reading comprehension, coupled with intellectual honesty, would read that with the understanding that not everyone receives all the gifts. They are given individually to believers as the Spirit sees the need.

To use your statement..... No place in the Bible says that "all Christians will receive all manifestations of the Spirit."

Obviously, if the Spirit wishes to give more than one manifestation to a believer, then the Spirit will do that. But nowhere does it say that all Christians get all manifestations.

I showed you scripture to prove my "opinion"..... where is your scripture that proves your opinion?

CS1 · May 8, 2023

hornetguy said:

Well, what I stated is not my opinion.... it's scripture.

Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith [d]by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of [e]healing [f]by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the [g]effecting of [h]miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the [i]distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.

Anyone with elementary reading comprehension, coupled with intellectual honesty, would read that with the understanding that not everyone receives all the gifts. They are given individually to believers as the Spirit sees the need.

To use your statement..... No place in the Bible says that "all Christians will receive all manifestations of the Spirit."

Obviously, if the Spirit wishes to give more than one manifestation to a believer, then the Spirit will do that. But nowhere does it say that all Christians get all manifestations.

I showed you scripture to prove my "opinion"..... where is your scripture that proves your opinion?

Could I disagree on this point all Christians should desire to be used in the gifts of the Holy Spirit as The Holy Spirit see fit to you all?

hornetguy · May 8, 2023

CS1 said:

Yes, of course. We should all desire to be used as the Spirit sees the need, but to say that all Christians can have all the manifestations just does not follow scripture. What we wish is not really important.... it's what the SPIRIT wants for us that matters.

oyster67 · May 8, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

Are you sure that that is how the gift of SUPERNATURALLY speaking in a foreign language works? Here is what we actually see: And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue [LANGUAGE], wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues [LANGUAGES] the wonderful works of God.
(Acts 2:7-11).

Why did Paul insist that there be an interpreter for anyone attempting to speak a foreign language supernaturally?

Because foreign language is one of the ways speaking in tongues can manifest itself.

shittim · May 8, 2023

And He would have us ALL grow and be used, He will grow any of us as far as we will be grown, all the gifts Christ manifested are available to all believers, all of the gifts, words of knowledge, dreams, visions, healing, etc. , to all of the believers, He does not play favorites.

CS1 · May 8, 2023

The problem is twofold.

1. Cessationists are wrong and have no biblical proof the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased.

They use human reasoning and secular humanism to prove or discredit Biblical truth or Spiritual things because they are incapable of accepting what they can't explain or that is hard for them to understand. Many came out of atheism or were agnostic but accepted the historical data from the Christian worldview, and it was enough to satisfy their intellectual ego. Cessationists have a bad habit of bringing pagan practices to try and discredit the Gifts of the Holy Spirit for today. But can't do so with the Word of God. When they are called on, they say to provide the proof, Yet Jesus said a perverted and adulterous generation seeks a sign, and none will be given to them. I hear them say all the time, "Do a miracle," "Speak in tongues and record it," Mocking and scoffing. They try to use Middle Eastern or Indian pagan practices to associate the gifts of the Holy to things like Kundalini. Yet No Pentacostel would be caught dead with such teaching; in fact, never heard of the practice until a Cessationist said it. They want you to believe if you seek the Lord Jesus Christ and ask for the Empowering of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said, we can have you get a demon instead. That is so foolish and unbiblical.

1. Penacostels are wrong( which I am a mister in), Failing to correct error and ignorance in the use and practice of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. In addition to allowing those, we respect to do and say things that are passed off as a " word from the lord" when they are not.
Having no self-control and moving in the flesh. Also, not judging what was said, spoken, or interpreted by the word of God. Getting excited about a demonstration of a gift over why the GIFT was USED in the first Play. That action leads to the discrediting of the real and promotes buffoonery. We are to be people of the word, and when the PASTOR SPEAKS, it must be 100% truth, to the best of their ability, and only after much prayer, studying the word of God, waiting on the Holy Spirit to empower one to speak under the Anointing that brings confirmation of the word God gave to the man of GOD. You got to put your time in at the altar on your knees. Know Seminary, Bible school can teach that it is a lesson from the Holy Spirit by the Schooling of the Spirit. And is confirmed by the actions once the word has been preached, salvation happens, healing, deliverance, comfort, building up, and GOD gets the Glory, NOT man.

CS1 · May 8, 2023

hornetguy said:

My point is we are told to desire them in 1cor chapter 12, are we not?

Will the Holy Spirit Force one to speak or do an operation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit if that person is not open to it?

Yes or no?

Locoponydirtman · May 8, 2023

Evmur said:

Not what I said. There is more to that sentence. Primarily the part about things beinh said online.

Evmur said:

Just giving your nails back to ya. You may need them you know. You may be constructive some day

hornetguy · May 8, 2023

CS1 said:

my understanding? No.... the Spirit no more "forces" us to manifest gifts than we can be possessed by a demonic spirit, when we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. As believers, we should be open to being used by the Spirit in any way, though....

wolfwint · May 8, 2023

CS1 said:

I would say yes.
But is our desire the measure to get a gift or not?

CS1 · May 8, 2023

hornetguy said:

I agree with you, so if a person is unwilling, they will never do correct>?

Nehemiah6 · May 8, 2023

Edify said:

So you don't like historical facts which debunk your ideas? What else is new? The Early Church Fathers do not supersede Scripture but they give us a HISTORICAL RECORD of the truth. They cannot be dismissed because they refute your position.

And that passage is NOT about seeing Jesus "face to face". It is about seeing a COMPLETE AND PERFECT Bible in your hands. So is your Bible complete and perfect? Are you ashamed and embarrassed because you have a perfect Bible? If not then that settles the issue. In fact several translations use the word "completeness" to show the connection to Scripture. And that is fully supported by Strong's Concordance.

VARob · May 8, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

The ECFs give us a historical record of what they believed. Not everything they believed was true.

You're consistent in reciting the cessationists viewpoint.

Nehemiah6 said:

The word "completeness" does not show a connection to scripture, except to cessationists.

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