problem related to praying in tongues

[ThereRoseaLamb]

that's what I said Sherlock 😋

Ahhh the BDF, it needs to be renamed the Bible Dissing Forum.

 

[Fundaamental]

Ahhh the BDF, it needs to be renamed the Bible Dissing Forum.

you would do well there 👍

 

[CS1]

I know it's not absolute, what I suggest based on what you propose here.

It's just I find it incredible a king would not have other translators of Hebrew Aramaic.

Cutting a long story short

Then all the king’s wise men came in, but they could not read the writing or tell the king what it meant. 9 So King Belshazzar became even more terrified and his face grew more pale. His nobles were baffled.

10 The queen,[c] hearing the voices of the king and his nobles, came into the banquet hall. “May the king live forever!” she said. “Don’t be alarmed! Don’t look so pale! 11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him.

As you can see none of kings wiseman could translate it.

Then we see suggestion it is only the the spirit of God that can translate this.

Which could mean the wisemen declared it an unknown language they had never seen.

That is a very good point, yet Phaero had the same issue. Did Joseph not know how to speak Egyptian?

 

[Fundaamental]

That is a very good point, yet Phaero had the same issue. Did Joseph not know how to speak Egyptian?

don't know, maybe it was something to do with his technicolour dream coat 😊.

 

[VARob]

i do not wish to delve deeper here on the meaning of the WORD.
but look at how you just described Jesus, the WORD, as being the Living Word to the Written Word.

Jesus is God's logos made flesh. Jesus Christ is a man.

we know a man, who represented God, who met with Adam, Abram/Abraham, wrestled with Jacob, met with Moses, Joshua, 4th man in Fiery Furnace, etc etc etc....< why don't you think God worked the same way in the New Testament as Old Testament?

What man is that?

isn't God the SAME yesterday, today, tomorrow and would work the Same Way all throughout the Word of God?

God is the same, yes.

Using the WORD as the LORD who cast Fire and Brimstone upon Sodom to using the WORD for being our Salvation?

God's logos is His will, plan, purposes. You are trying to make the logos into an entity.

John 1:1 says the WORD was here from the Beginning and we learn later was the actual CREATOR of Creation.

Yes, God created everything through His Word.

How come it's easy for you to see the WORD as JESUS, but not as the LORD, ELOHIM, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, Yahweh.....especially knowing that the Messiah's NAME is revealed in Jeremiah as YHWH, or the LORD, which is MOST HIGH GOD....from the man who represented God in the Old Testament?

The Messiah's name is not YHWH.
Again, what OT man are you talking about?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Jesus is God's logos made flesh. Jesus Christ is a man.

yes, God and Man

What man is that?

24 And the LORD caused to rain down upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from the LORD, from heaven. כדוַֽיהֹוָ֗ה הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית וָאֵ֑שׁ מֵאֵ֥ת יְהֹוָ֖ה מִן־הַשָּׁמָֽיִם:

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that Man!

God's logos is His will, plan, purposes. You are trying to make the logos into an entity.

I am merely showing that God did same thing in Old Testament as He did in the New Testament with the WORD.

Yes, God created everything through His Word.

you mean WORD!

The Messiah's name is not YHWH.

Jeremiah 23:6:

“In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely, and this is the name by which he will be called: ‘YHWH, Our Righteousness.’”

the Messiah = YHWH

Jeremiah 33 claims same thing:
Jeremiah 33:16:

“In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘YHWH, Our Righteousness.’”

Again, what OT man are you talking about?

24 And the LORD caused to rain down upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from the LORD, from heaven. כדוַֽיהֹוָ֗ה הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית וָאֵ֑שׁ מֵאֵ֥ת יְהֹוָ֖ה מִן־הַשָּׁמָֽיִם:

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that Man!

 

[VARob]

yes, God and Man

I disagree. There is one God, the Father.

24 And the LORD caused to rain down upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from the LORD, from heaven. כדוַֽיהֹוָ֗ה הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית וָאֵ֑שׁ מֵאֵ֥ת יְהֹוָ֖ה מִן־הַשָּׁמָֽיִם:

^
that Man!

That wasn't a man.

I am merely showing that God did same thing in Old Testament as He did in the New Testament with the WORD.

What do you think the "WORD" is?

you mean WORD!

If you like all caps, fine. I think Word is fine.

Jeremiah 23:6:

“In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely, and this is the name by which he will be called: ‘YHWH, Our Righteousness.’”

the Messiah = YHWH

No, that was one of the names he would be called.

Jeremiah 33 claims same thing:
Jeremiah 33:16:

“In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘YHWH, Our Righteousness.’”

Do you believe Jerusalem is Yahweh?

24 And the LORD caused to rain down upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from the LORD, from heaven. כדוַֽיהֹוָ֗ה הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית וָאֵ֑שׁ מֵאֵ֥ת יְהֹוָ֖ה מִן־הַשָּׁמָֽיִם:

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that Man!

Again, that wasn't a man.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I disagree. There is one God, the Father.
That wasn't a man.

the same LORD in this Verse
24 And the LORD caused to rain down upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from the LORD, from heaven. כדוַֽיהֹוָ֗ה הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית וָאֵ֑שׁ מֵאֵ֥ת יְהֹוָ֖ה מִן־הַשָּׁמָֽיִם:

is the SAME MAN in this Verse:
2 And he lifted his eyes and saw, and behold, three men were standing beside him, and he saw and he ran toward them from the entrance of the tent, and he prostrated himself to the ground. בוַיִּשָּׂ֤א עֵינָיו֙ וַיַּ֔רְא וְהִנֵּה֙ שְׁלשָׁ֣ה אֲנָשִׁ֔ים נִצָּבִ֖ים עָלָ֑

No, that was one of the names he would be called.

ok, the Messiah's NAME is therefore, one Name YHWH, just like the WORD said in Exodus Chapter 6!

Jesus is the Messiah and therefore also YHWH!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

this was your response to this:

24 And the LORD caused to rain down upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from the LORD, from heaven. כדוַֽיהֹוָ֗ה הִמְטִ֧יר עַל־סְדֹ֛ם וְעַל־עֲמֹרָ֖ה גָּפְרִ֣ית וָאֵ֑שׁ מֵאֵ֥ת יְהֹוָ֖ה מִן־הַשָּׁמָֽיִם:

you replied:

I disagree. There is one God, the Father.


The Hebrew Text [Torah/Tanakh] is the Most Truest and Authentic Text of the Old Testament we have.
and you DISAGREE with the Holy Word of God given directly FROM YHWH to MOSES?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

let me show you how sacred the Torah is, that I am quoting:

YHWH commanded the Torah be placed into the Ark of the Covenant and then into the HOLY of HOLLIES!

Jesus said the TORAH, Prophets, Psalms TESTIFY of ME!!


the TORAH is GOD's CHOICE of BIBLE for the ARK of Covenant and then for the MOST HOLY PLACE on Earth, when Temple existed, the HOLY of HOLLIES...

...and you Disagree with it?

so, you disagree with YHWH how Valuable it is then?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

* beside the Ark

the Lord commanded that it will be place outside the Ark saying, “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there as a witness against you” (Deuteronomy 31:26).

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

• Deuteronomy 31
• 26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
  
  

 

[VARob]

..and you Disagree with it?

The Torah is extremely valuable. I disagree with your understanding of parts of it.

You did not answer:

Jeremiah 33:16:

“In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘YHWH, Our Righteousness.’”

Do you believe Jerusalem is Yahweh?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The Torah is extremely valuable. I disagree with your understanding of parts of it.

if you begin with Bereshit 18:2 And he lifted his eyes and saw, and behold, three men were standing beside him

and read Verses 18:2 thru to 19:24 And the LORD caused to rain down upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from the LORD, from heaven.

It is CRYSTAL CLEAR!

btw, this VERSE shows 2 LORD, Most High God and clearly they are [[either]] One and the Same [Omnipresent], because ONE is at Sodom and the OTHER is in HEAVEN, or TWO Separate representations of the MOST HIGH GOD.

how do you explain that?

Do you believe Jerusalem is Yahweh?

Jerusalem means Peace, Yahweh is the Messiah!

 

[VARob]

if you begin with Bereshit 18:2 And he lifted his eyes and saw, and behold, three men were standing beside him

and read Verses 18:2 thru to 19:24 And the LORD caused to rain down upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire, from the LORD, from heaven.

It is CRYSTAL CLEAR!

btw, this VERSE shows 2 LORD, Most High God and clearly they are [[either]] One and the Same [Omnipresent], because ONE is at Sodom and the OTHER is in HEAVEN, or TWO Separate representations of the MOST HIGH GOD.

how do you explain that?

"From the LORD" is repeated for emphasis. It's not two different Lords.

Jerusalem means Peace, Yahweh is the Messiah!

You're not consistent.

Here you claim "the Messiah = YHWH":

Jeremiah 23:6:

“In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely, and this is the name by which he will be called: ‘YHWH, Our Righteousness.’”

the Messiah = YHWH

Here you claim "Jerusalem means peace":

Jeremiah 33 claims same thing:
Jeremiah 33:16:

“In those days Judah will be saved, and Jerusalem will dwell securely. And this is the name by which it will be called: ‘YHWH, Our Righteousness.’”

The structure of the two verses is the same.
If you claim Jer 23:6 is saying that the Messiah = YHWH, then Jer 33:16 would be saying Jerusalem = YHWH.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

"From the LORD" is repeated for emphasis. It's not two different Lords.


You're not consistent.

Here you claim "the Messiah = YHWH":

Here you claim "Jerusalem means peace":
The structure of the two verses is the same.
If you claim Jer 23:6 is saying that the Messiah = YHWH, then Jer 33:16 would be saying Jerusalem = YHWH.

No possible way to turn Jerusalem, which Salem, or melchizedik king of Salem, peace....into a physical person.

Judah is the Lineage and Jerusalem is capital of the promised land.

The Messiah is Yahweh or YHWH for short.


You are not even close to how the Ancient Sages or Temple Priest and Scribes even explain this Verse and they are obviously correct before YOU or myself.

You are literally bastardizing the Tanakh and should be ashamed that God sees you doing this.



Also, I see you have settled on the LORD in Verse 24 as being Omnipresent since one is on earth and other in heaven simultaneously during this Verse.

 

[VARob]

No possible way to turn Jerusalem, which Salem, or melchizedik king of Salem, peace....into a physical person.

Judah is the Lineage and Jerusalem is capital of the promised land.

The Messiah is Yahweh or YHWH for short.

You are not even close to how the Ancient Sages or Temple Priest and Scribes even explain this Verse and they are obviously correct before YOU or myself.

You are literally bastardizing the Tanakh and should be ashamed that God sees you doing this.

You're not being logical or consistent, cannot support your inconsistency, and are now bashing me personally.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You're not being logical or consistent, cannot support your inconsistency, and are now bashing me personally.

You are not following how the Hebrew people define this Verse.

Who are you to call them liars Who were given these Verses?

 

[VARob]

You are not following how the Hebrew people define this Verse.

Who are you to call them liars Who were given these Verses?

I'm not calling them liars.
I'm saying you're inconsistent in your interpretation of those two verses.

You have a great day, k?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The Hebrew people ain't stupid we are any time we change their meaning.