Predestination is misunderstood...

[Thunderrr-mental]

I was ressurected by Christ the day I was saved. As for all of the people who were in the passages I posted.

Your not ressurected when your immersed in water.. Thats nonsense. You might as well tell everything they must earn salvation by doing their works.. God gave many commands, we better obey all of them, not just one of them,.

you where baptised 1 year later you told me,

So no you where resurrected in Christ then.

I'm not speaking nonsense, I'm repeating the word of God


I ain't got the time to post scriptures that you have already rejected,

So I ain't making the same mistake again whist your in rebellion.

i will however see you some other time maybe.

but I doubt you will listen then.

your obviously hardened in your stubbornness, after listening to dead beats for years.

 

[Cameron143]

That’s uncalled for

as for James, hat was already explained before

It wasn't meant to harm but to help. And your explanation didn't accurately reflect the passage. God's will trumps human will...if God wills they will be able to buy and sell and make much gain. Their will may or may not be thwarted by God's will. And that is a limitation on the expression of their will.

 

[Dino246]

No i asked people for there thoughts on seeds, not for your contradiction,


Jesus is the sower who sows the seeds amongst the thorns.

ALso Jesus is the living water that lives in the holy spirit,

also Jesus is the seed that atoned the blood of mankind.

so no, nice try to aggravate me again 👍

You have a massive chip on your shoulder that seriously inhibits your ability to learn. The fruit of the Spirit is fruit, not seed. Don’t be a stubborn fool.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

you where baptised 1 year later you told me,

Your right, After I was baptised into christ and his death, and raised to new life (born again) It was a year before I was baptised in water

[quote[So no you where resurrected in Christ then.[/quote]
negative

I'm not speaking nonsense, I'm repeating the word of God


I ain't got the time to post scriptures that you have already rejected,

So I ain't making the same mistake again whist your in rebellion.

i will however see you some other time maybe.

but I doubt you will listen then.

your obviously hardened in your stubbornness, after listening to dead beats for years.

You could not show me the word baptised in any of the passage i shared. In which all of them said we had eternal life 9the ressurection had already taken place)

Your arguing against the word not me, And no, when you make up things not found in scripture. Most people will not listen.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

You have a massive chip on your shoulder that seriously inhibits your ability to learn. The fruit of the Spirit is fruit, not seed. Don’t be a stubborn fool.

Thankyou your latest remark designed to cause offense, and your ability to use scripture, to insult people with.

I can see you've learned the word of God we'll

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

It wasn't meant to harm but to help. And your explanation didn't accurately reflect the passage. God's will trumps human will...if God wills they will be able to buy and sell and make much gain. Their will may or may not be thwarted by God's will. And that is a limitation on the expression of their will.

Your right it does

But God will nt force us against our will.

That passage says it is better if we ask in Gods will and do that, then to go against his will In fact. We do not even know if we will be able to do it, we may die.

Gods will will be accomplished anyway, Whether it is through me or someone else. But God will not force anyone against their will

You can;t call yourself a God of love and holiness, and do things like that. Thats what Satan would do

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Your right, After I was baptised into christ and his death, and raised to new life (born again) It was a year before I was baptised in water



You could not show me the word baptised in any of the passage i shared. In which all of them said we had eternal life 9the ressurection had already taken place)

Your arguing against the word not me, And no, when you make up things not found in scripture. Most people will not listen.

I'm not showing you anymore scripture at the moment as you've already rejected a clear teaching. and instruction.

Like it or lump it.

 

[Cameron143]

Your right it does

But God will nt force us against our will.

That passage says it is better if we ask in Gods will and do that, then to go against his will In fact. We do not even know if we will be able to do it, we may die.

Gods will will be accomplished anyway, Whether it is through me or someone else. But God will not force anyone against their will

You can;t call yourself a God of love and holiness, and do things like that. Thats what Satan would do

This was my point all along. I was never suggesting that God forces anyone do anything, but that our wills have limited expression, and that our wills are not unfettered.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I think you just like being contrary. Read James 4:13-15 for an example of what I stated.

That's about boasting, not about a person's will. Big difference between saying I am going to do this and this is my will I want to do.

 

[Cameron143]

That's about boasting, not about a person's will. Big difference between saying I am going to do this and this is my will I want to do.

Of course it's about the will. It directly uses the word will. Whatever ancillary meaning that may be intended, it clearly is speaking about will.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Of course it's about the will. It directly uses the word will. Whatever ancillary meaning that may be intended, it clearly is speaking about will.

Not at all. It's a proclamation of this will happen no matter what. A will is the desire for it to happen, not that we can make it happen. I really had no idea you did not know the difference. Must be your doctrine you follow.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I'm not showing you anymore scripture at the moment as you've already rejected a clear teaching. and instruction.

Like it or lump it.

lol. No scripture you could show me would prove your point.

Like I said, you believe grace is merited favor. not unmerited. So you helped me understand why you deny unmerited favor.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

This was my point all along. I was never suggesting that God forces anyone do anything, but that our wills have limited expression, and that our wills are not unfettered.

It does not remove our will.

I willed for a house this weekend, God said no.

So while God prevented me from getting the house. i still willed it..

 

[Cameron143]

It does not remove our will.

I willed for a house this weekend, God said no.

So while God prevented me from getting the house. i still willed it..

Another straw argument. I never said we don't have wills.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

It does not remove our will.

I willed for a house this weekend, God said no.

So while God prevented me from getting the house. i still willed it..

But to follow the example in James 4:13-15, you would have to declare you would get a house this weekend.
But instead you willed for it.
One is saying this is a guarantee to happen and the other is saying I want it to happen.

 

[Cameron143]

For something to be willed there is included in the willing the intention to bring a desire into reality. To will apart from intention is simply to desire.

 

[Dino246]

Thankyou your latest remark designed to cause offense, and your ability to use scripture, to insult people with.

I can see you've learned the word of God we'll

I see you’re still avoiding the truth of Scripture on this matter and whining about supposed offences instead.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Another straw argument. I never said we don't have wills.

But I (If I am a non child of God) can of that same will call out to Jesus for salvation..

I am not hindered from pleading for salvation

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

But to follow the example in James 4:13-15, you would have to declare you would get a house this weekend.
But instead you willed for it.
One is saying this is a guarantee to happen and the other is saying I want it to happen.

You can't guarantee anything,

I can say, As james said, "13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow [h]we will go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit”; "

it does not gaurantee it will happen. I could die on the way. and never make it there. I could be seriously hurt, and have to come back.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

For something to be willed there is included in the willing the intention to bring a desire into reality. To will apart from intention is simply to desire.

When I called out to Jesus The intention was that God may show mercy to my soul and save me.

Thats also what the tax collector did. He cried out to Jesus

He went home a child of God. (born again)