Predestination is misunderstood...
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I've read all the Bible. What's your point? Did you forget about grace, again?
The Gospel is not presented as a spiritual issue. We don't comprehend it's spiritual ramifications until after we are saved. You had no idea you needed to be born again when you heard the Gospel. What it revealed was God is right and we are wrong and judgement between the two puts us on the losing side but the good news is Christ paid the price on our behalf. Believe it or not, the choice is yours because grace ensures you can make that choice of your own free will.
The Gospel is not presented as a spiritual issue. We don't comprehend it's spiritual ramifications until after we are saved. You had no idea you needed to be born again when you heard the Gospel. What it revealed was God is right and we are wrong and judgement between the two puts us on the losing side but the good news is Christ paid the price on our behalf. Believe it or not, the choice is yours because grace ensures you can make that choice of your own free will.
Man was able to do good.
But, only when the grace of God was with him.
In Genesis 6 we find this to be true.....
Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.
So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth,
both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord." Genesis 6:5-8
Please read that passage.
It says all people did evil.
All people except Noah...
Why did Noah find himself able to do good?
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord." Genesis 6:8
grace and peace ............There are at least four ways of knowing. Being told something is evil is only one way. Discovering how to do the evil is another. Getting other persons' perspectives on the evil done is another. And recognising the evil's cascading effects on the whole is another.
If our memories are wiped of our experiences in this broken world, we will be back to the situation Adam was in in the garden before any command was given not to eat. Which is where we could have remained if God had not given Adam or anyone else a command to obey. How would a child turn out if they were never told what to do or not to do, but were always protected from the damage their ignorant actions should have caused.
If our memories are wiped of our experiences in this broken world, we will be back to the situation Adam was in in the garden before any command was given not to eat. Which is where we could have remained if God had not given Adam or anyone else a command to obey. How would a child turn out if they were never told what to do or not to do, but were always protected from the damage their ignorant actions should have caused.
Isaiah 50:10 asks, "Who among you walks in darkness and has no light? Let him trust in the name of the LORD; let him lean on his God."
This begins with a rhetorical question that answers the question in v.2, "Why was no one there when I arrived? Why did no one answer when I called?" It is evident that we all walk in darkness and have no light as we all have gone astray, that is until we 'trust in the name of the LORD." And when we do this, then He lights our path. Suggesting that He lights our path and only then we trust Him disregards any need for the 'through faith' prepositional phrase. No, through faith, we walk into a dark room believing there is a present there, not really knowing whether there is or there isn't, but because we heard the word that it is there, and the light comes on and...we see!
This begins with a rhetorical question that answers the question in v.2, "Why was no one there when I arrived? Why did no one answer when I called?" It is evident that we all walk in darkness and have no light as we all have gone astray, that is until we 'trust in the name of the LORD." And when we do this, then He lights our path. Suggesting that He lights our path and only then we trust Him disregards any need for the 'through faith' prepositional phrase. No, through faith, we walk into a dark room believing there is a present there, not really knowing whether there is or there isn't, but because we heard the word that it is there, and the light comes on and...we see!
I’ve studied the Scriptures many years as well as the arguments of Calvinism and Arminianism. I have no trouble harmonizing Scripture. If there are passage you feel cannot be harmonized with my view, I’d be happy to discuss them. However, my guess is I am familiar with them and not only feel they fit well with my view of Scripture, but likely argue against the viewpoint you are arguing for when viewed in their full context. Either way, I am happy to learn if you have some viewpoints or Scriptures I have not considered.
good morning 🙂
So what your actually saying is man was not able to do any good after the fall,
You do realise that what your suggesting is total depravity.
Now also what your proscribing is hyper grace and Calvinism.
So this morning I want you to provide scripture that says man was not able to do any good.
What you've provided here in your answer is what man could do.
So now I have hundreds of scriptures that says that say man was able to do Good before the flood.
So could you provide it.
Hopefully this will ring some bells 🙂
So what your actually saying is man was not able to do any good after the fall,
You do realise that what your suggesting is total depravity.
Now also what your proscribing is hyper grace and Calvinism.
So this morning I want you to provide scripture that says man was not able to do any good.
What you've provided here in your answer is what man could do.
So now I have hundreds of scriptures that says that say man was able to do Good before the flood.
So could you provide it.
Hopefully this will ring some bells 🙂
I provided you with an understanding Of God creating a human nature in man before the fall and provided you with understanding that the same human nature was still there after the fall.
What you've provided is scripture that there was nothing Good about man after the fall without even providing understanding of the scripture you posted, despite numerous requests.
Also was you ever free to reject Jesus as your lord and saviour
Because another question I'm asking you the morning is,
If .Jesus payed the debt for all sin why is anyone going to hell.
So was you able to reject Jesus.
The answer should be yes Jesus payed the debt for sin but I could have still rejected him.
Well could you have rejected him.
So also I'm still waiting you for you to provide two understandinge of the scripture you posted.
Oh and the fact is, I'm not going to let you get away with teaching total depravity that strips people completely of God 🙂
Heres a nice opening 🙂
What you've provided is scripture that there was nothing Good about man after the fall without even providing understanding of the scripture you posted, despite numerous requests.
Also was you ever free to reject Jesus as your lord and saviour
Because another question I'm asking you the morning is,
If .Jesus payed the debt for all sin why is anyone going to hell.
So was you able to reject Jesus.
The answer should be yes Jesus payed the debt for sin but I could have still rejected him.
Well could you have rejected him.
So also I'm still waiting you for you to provide two understandinge of the scripture you posted.
Oh and the fact is, I'm not going to let you get away with teaching total depravity that strips people completely of God 🙂
Heres a nice opening 🙂
Good morning 🙂
Heres the scripture you posted
God looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
What I'm asking you is why does God look down from heaven to see if there is any that seek, if they where not able to.
If nobody seeks God why would God look to see who is seeking God.
Can you see how your interpretation of This scripture is only seeing total depravity.
As your going of this verse
Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.
So it's here there is none That Do Good.
So does this say there is none that are not capable of doing Good.
So can you see how your implying total depravity.
Stroll on 🙂
Heres the scripture you posted
God looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.
What I'm asking you is why does God look down from heaven to see if there is any that seek, if they where not able to.
If nobody seeks God why would God look to see who is seeking God.
Can you see how your interpretation of This scripture is only seeing total depravity.
As your going of this verse
Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.
So it's here there is none That Do Good.
So does this say there is none that are not capable of doing Good.
So can you see how your implying total depravity.
Stroll on 🙂
The inspired scriptures are directed to those who have already been born again to instruct them as to how God wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here in this world. If you keep the scriptures in context, they are, for the most part, letters written to the churches.
It would be useless to preach to the natural man, who has not been born again, and cannot receive the things of the Spirit (1 Cor 2:14).
It would be useless to preach to the natural man, who has not been born again, and cannot receive the things of the Spirit (1 Cor 2:14).