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Thunderrr-mental

Thunderrr-mental

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Genez said:
Stubborn? You made a mistake? And I corrected it?

That's being stubborn???

I think that lightening was a bit too much for you.......





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this is what I said and what I meant, your looking to make people look stupid

Now are you going to address this





Your favoring the idea he chose us to be holy and blameless in him after fall,

Because you see that being in him, as in him after the resurrection.

But he who is in you is holy and blameless, every saved person is still not blameless, because every saved person is still convicted of sin.

But yet you would rather see your interpretation to be after the fall when scripture does not indicate it was just ment for just after the fall.

How could you not have been in him if you where spiritualy alive before the fall and blameless, and also he created you to, and made you become spiritualy alive, this is before the fall, why is it you want to not even acknowledge this.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I never said God created sin. But He did allow it. Given that God's motivation in His actions is always to glorify Himself, the question that begs an answer is...how is God glorified by the entrance of sin into the world?
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I was answering your question:

why did God allow for sin? How is He glorified as a result of sin? Also, is God more glorified as a result of sin coming into creation?
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Genez said:
You are not ready yet for what you keep jumping into, then demand that you take control of the narrative.

You keep missing what was said.
Then, after bollixing it up?
Then demand that we retract what we did not say...

The novelty has worn off.
You have become predictable..
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are you going to address it or not
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Your favoring the idea he chose us to be holy and blameless in him after fall,
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God chose us before man ever fell. You just said God chose us after the fall to be holy and blameless.
How could he do that? THE CROSS!

When choosing us in Him, God was looking at the final destiny of all believers in the Church age.
That finalo destiny is what we shall be when resurrected. For we can not fall once resurrected.
 
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@Genez

Are you going to address this or not





Your favoring the idea he chose us to be holy and blameless in him after fall,

Because you see that being in him, as in him after the resurrection.

But he who is in you is holy and blameless, every saved person is still not blameless, because every saved person is still convicted of sin.

But yet you would rather see your interpretation to be after the fall when scripture does not indicate it was just ment for just after the fall.

How could you not have been in him if you where spiritualy alive before the fall and blameless, and also he created you to, and made you become spiritualy alive, this is before the fall, why is it you want to not even acknowledge this.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I never said God created sin. But He did allow it. Given that God's motivation in His actions is always to glorify Himself, the question that begs an answer is...how is God glorified by the entrance of sin into the world?
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But God did create evil, and it glorifies to correct evil. It may be petty, but no god can do what Yahweh does.
 
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7thMoon said:
But God did create evil, and it glorifies to correct evil. It may be petty, but no god can do what Yahweh does.
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God isn't the author of evil. He never sinned, nor can He. Neither did He encourage sin in His creation.
You are certainly on the right track for how He is glorified in allowing it though.
 
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Cameron143 said:
God isn't the author of evil. He never sinned, nor can He. Neither did He encourage sin in His creation.
You are certainly on the right track for how He is glorified in allowing it though.
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God does not wrong others, but he did create Satan. Yeah, we are supposed to get over it.
 
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@Genez you still haven't addressed this post.


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here you go Mr stubborn.



Your favoring the idea he chose us to be holy and blameless in him after fall,

Because you see that being in him, as in him after the resurrection.

But he who is in you is holy and blameless, every saved person is still not blameless, because every saved person is still convicted of sin.

But yet you would rather see your interpretation to be after the fall when scripture does not indicate it was just ment for just after the fall.

How could you not have been in him if you where spiritualy alive before the fall and blameless, and also he created you to, and made you become spiritualy alive, this is before the fall, why is it you want to not even acknowledge this.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
@Genez
Your favoring the idea he chose us to be holy and blameless in him after fall.
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Since we could not be "in Him" until after the Cross took place?
Until we became crucified with Christ?


That is where I stand.

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus."​

Eph 2:6

That is where we are right now in Him .

The body you see in the mirror?
It was crucified with Christ.

Our glorious resurrection body is now hidden IN HIM.

We are in Him just like the body of Eve was in Adam's body before she was to be revealed.


For no one ever hates his own flesh but provides and cares for it, ​
just as Christ does for the church, since we are members of His body.

For this reason a man will leave
his father and mother
and be joined to his wife,
and the two will become one flesh.

This mystery is profound, but I am talking about Christ and the church. ​
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Ephesians 5:29-32

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Genez said:
Since we could not be "in Him" until after the Cross took place?
Until we became crucified with Christ?


That is where I stand.

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus."​

Eph 2:6

That is where we are right now in Him .

The body you see in the mirror?
It was crucified with Christ.

Our glorious resurrection body is now hidden IN HIM.

We are in Him just like the body of Eve was in Adam's body before she was to be revealed.
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For no one ever hates his own flesh but provides and cares for it, ​
just as Christ does for the church, since we are members of His body.​
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For this reason a man will leave​
his father and mother​
and be joined to his wife,​
and the two will become one flesh.​
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This mystery is profound, but I am talking about Christ and the church. ​
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Ephesians 5:29-32​
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see this is an another assertion


You say we could not not have been in him based on your understanding


How about looking at it from God's understanding.

You are only in him because he is in you.

Now was he in you after he created you before the fall.

If he was not in you or your answer is no.

How did you become spiritualy alive before the fall if you where not in him and he was not in you
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
so if he created man as dearly loved children how could man not have been in him.
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Is a frog egg the frog?

Is the tadpole the frog?

God was looking at the "finished" creation when He created us..

What it will take to get us there is according to his plan and purpose.
 
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