Pondering Revival of the saints.

[wintersrain]

Thank you for your concern, brother. I don't regard everything that @CS1 said to be invalid. Neither do I believe that he is willing to allow what I am led to share to be done without the contentious effect that my words incite in him. Perhaps more importantly I don't hold him to be a pharisee either. Sure he doesn't like being cited and then corrected - albeit that my corrections are only in a semblance of the cogency of the claim being made by him when he asserts something and then when shown that he is misrepresenting the person he is supposedly quoting - he gets somewhat rattled. No big deal really. He also knows that I don't yield to any misdirection when what I have shared is being misunderstood - and neither do I offer a simple explanation to what I am saying - that is misunderstood - yet am clearly capable of keeping the meaning live when others want it killed stone dead.

Albeit he would no doubt feel that I am saying something rather poor and, therefore, needs correcting or challenging. I believe that he is keen on evangelism and so understandably what I have shared here does predicate to another meaning that he senses and rightly has pointed out even in this thread. I simply chose to ignore those facts because to engage with them would indeed have me at odds with a man who is blind to a spiritual reality - or else has been injured by it - and so in his calling [preference] for evangelising the lost - he refuses the rather spectacular meaning that the new forum member gave in post @#96. Or at least he would refuse my answer to her post. He would no doubt say that the very act of preaching the Gospel is the power of God and it does not require perfection to be sufficient in it. And, were that his claim - he has proven that he is not in fact a Pharisee.

I may well get frustrated with some brethren - but that does not mean that I cannot see their points that are valid. In this brother's case he made them some way back in the thread. Perhaps he would like to remake them. Then at least they can remain visible.

To be clear, I did not intend to equate them with the educated Pharisee's in their day. Rather, the obstinate behavior was what I was addressing in their postings. Maybe you haven't spent the time in reading their postings in the past. I've done so since they entered this thread. It seems to be a pattern.
Blind or injured, both are tragedies when the condition insists it is to be preferred over sound truth.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

To be clear, I did not intend to equate them with the educated Pharisee's in their day. Rather, the obstinate behavior was what I was addressing in their postings. Maybe you haven't spent the time in reading their postings in the past. I've done so since they entered this thread. It seems to be a pattern.
Blind or injured, both are tragedies.

Thank you, brother. Blind or injured is the portion of all of us if we have been blinded by other believers who predicate to occult means and deflect spiritual truth - often by very intelligent means - and injured because such deceivers always predicate to holding others as though they were a commodity - and that is Satanic in its proportions because the only one who knows the number of things - be that men or angels is the Father. A just balance and scales belong to the Lord. All the weights of the bag are His concern.

Satan desires to be God - and so he measures an effect that has men as commodities in their souls and bodies by every possible means - and by the soul and bodies of believing men and women he also seeks to utilise their gift of God - to his own ends. I was an occult theosopher with satanic predications - I know what Satan is like because I once lay down with him and a whole toast of demonic spirits with delight and shook my fist at God - just as Satan does. To my shame, I say it and never have been inclined to make a false understanding of it so as to assert false claims that involve his ambitions - even when he cannot steal us out of the Father's hand. He can and surely does blind some in the outer man and injure others in the inner man. It can happen to all of us because never were we more vulnerable to spiritual harm than when we first believed and in a necessary leading of God righteously submitted to his ministers. @CS1 is entirely correct when he senses [criticises] that I have been raised up to minister into that effect. In the end it will have terrible and costly consequences for those who refuse to be found in Christ crucified for sin - and always stumble back into the flesh and by the flesh cause others to stumble also. It will be nothing less than judgement beginning in the household of God. But first the reviving Spirit of His mercy. And how will we be about that if we ourselves are not to be the instrument of its beginning? How will we know when it comes seeing as there have been and still are utterly fraudulent and false revivals that revive little - rather they have corrupted men and women even further than they were already corrupted in the seeing - when they see not - and in their groans when they are inclined to feel sorry for themselves and utilise that false instrument to demand understanding - when they ought to repent of their own disobedience.

God is going to address the teachers and the false prophets and the false apostles - and they will be judged unto death in the visibility of the churches if they do not utterly repent and lay down in ashes - crying out for mercy. Even then they may be taken away. Sovereign will of God in a day of unspeakable harm - when all of our blindness and injuries put Christ to an open shame.

 

[Unw0rthyS3rvant]

A very clear and precise word, sister.

Welcome to the forum.

We would always be revived if we worshipped the Father in Spirit and in Truth because we would not be inclined to turn away and love the world which is enmity with Him. Rather we would seek for the lost with tears and lay hold of them in His power. The prophet almost always speaks to a ruined house - and has little need to speak to unbelieving men other than to kings and princes.

Grateful for the welcome.
May we all bless one another in peace & love.

 

[Beckie]

You forgot the credits:
Carman - Revival in the Land Lyrics

Post # 83 i was not fast enough to put it in the correct place.. Thanks Love his Sunday morning is on its way back to topic

 

[Blain]

To move on with this thread I must take issue with this claim you have made.

In fact the meaning whilst not unclear in itself - does raise a question to your own reason for saying it. Do you believe that you are writing in a prophetic voice or in a meaning that is predicated to your natural mind? It is important to ask because it has been said in this thread that the reason for the attack as cited in post @#59 which was spoken to @CS1 was based on a claim that my teaching was not understood. "You were done with Rhomphaeam when you launched an attack on his teachings that you nary understood."

It is important for me to say plainly that I am not seeking to teach anyone. What I am desirous of it to open up a reality - and to do that I opened the thread. The first use of the term attack was @#8. It was made to expressly counter various things I said in the opening post.



The things that these numbered points were allegedly addressing were:

• Revival is a term that many saints hold to, to look for an answer to their own lives,
• how that way of looking at recovery is either helpful or else entirely accurate if we believe that revival is a panacea for the saints and society.
• When we examine the lives of the past saints after revival and restoration – also how society was changed after improvement
• We must be honest, and we must look. It is essential that when we do this, we also realise that the revivals that we can examine do not speak of the condition of today.

What I wrote in the opening comment had already been cited as a mixture of pagan and Christian teachings. Then it was cited that the word of God trumps experience. To which comment I said:



Therefore, your now cited statement @#93 is being sought for explanation - as I have qualified it in this comment.

I apologlogize for the late reply I did not speak from a prophetic stance nor natural mind only the truth and from what I can tell everything you have written has been spot on so I would be refrained from any misunderstanding from my post. I will say however that if you have been attacked perhaps that is evidence that you are speaking the truth as often times that is how the truth is responded to I have not read the entire thread yet so I would have to go back and see for myself but I pay attention to your posts you are usually well sound in truth so I am sure I have nothing to worry about

 

[Gardenias]

If only we truly got this part of your post. I myself need to repeat this daily.
Satan does not care how but his main objective is this very thing,

 

[Gardenias]

To his own ends,by hook or crook.
We are not wrestling against one another but against the prince of this world.

The doctrine of God is in his word. The light and teaching of the Holy Spirit will lead us to it.
Too many people have been tainted by man's interpretations and lack of contextual understanding.

This is what we really are resisting not the person; however to get others to see we make it personal.

We all are not saved,we all are not anointed,we all do not belong to God!
It is his to judge and the very best we can do is show his love and leave everyone in the hands of a just and merciful God!

 

[JStates]

Scotland first recorded its acceptance of the gospel of Christ through the Pictish tribes in the late fourth century. The Hebridean Isles were first held to be Christian in the 6th century evangelised by the Irish Celts in the inner Hebrides. My family on my mothers side is married into a Hebridean family dating back more than 300 years - and when my youngest son was born on the Isle of Lewis in the early 1990's I left the Islands to move to mainland Britain for ministry. Before that I was in fellowship with Donald MacPhail on the Isle of Lewis - who is the boy who prayed in that witness of Duncan Campbell. So I am very careful to set my witness to make full the meaning that burdens me and why I am even on this forum.

I understand your point - and accept that it is Scriptural - yet I see all too often men using the sword of the word to strike people rather than rightly dividing the soul and the spirit. Many children give their hearts to the Lord when they are little children in a childish manner and often with no other witness that God Himself. Then fall away into unspeakable harm and unfathomable injury by the time they are teenagers. Some come back to a living faith and in the Lewis revival many young people came to Christ radically when their parents were not even considered to be Christians. Yet they knew the name of Christ and that he died for them as children. Lewis is a bastion of Calvinism not a free for all. So you can be certain that when so many were born again by the sovereign hand of God - no one argued with them as they began to join together to praise and worship the living God. Neither would they have been received into fellowship if they could not give a true account of their new found faith. Yet seventy percent of those who were born again did not hear the gospel preached in their hearing at the time they came to a living faith. So I am bearing witness of what I know to be true from the mouth of numbers of those who were so plucked from the fire between 1949-1952. But that is not the essential character of what burdens me to write as I have written here - it is a rather more sobering reality - and that is intimated in what I wrote.

I have read of a study suggesting that many people who come to Christ hear the Gospel seven times before they do so. If so, this is quite interesting. Preaching the Word is likened to planting seeds. Sometimes those seeds are covered and not visible for a time before eventually they sprout. Something heard in childhood can be recalled upon the old man's deathbed and finally shine light upon his benighted soul.

When the Scriptures say the Word is essential to conversion, I believe it. I will mention, however, that God can deliver the Word through a variety of means. "Preaching" is the Biblical term but not all preaching is by a pastor from a pulpit. Preaching can occur in everyday conversation, in Scripturally based songs, even in how we believers live our lives. The Word can be read or heard. And I am aware of credible accounts of people being converted through visions in places where there are no Christians and where the Bible cannot be found.

 

[JStates]

I apologlogize for the late reply I did not speak from a prophetic stance nor natural mind only the truth and from what I can tell everything you have written has been spot on so I would be refrained from any misunderstanding from my post. I will say however that if you have been attacked perhaps that is evidence that you are speaking the truth as often times that is how the truth is responded to I have not read the entire thread yet so I would have to go back and see for myself but I pay attention to your posts you are usually well sound in truth so I am sure I have nothing to worry about

Sometimes there is also a hastiness to how we communicate. I think it's a natural side effect of our busy modern lives, but it can result in miscommunications and misunderstandings.

It's important to clearly say and explain what you mean, and it's important to ask what was meant if it was not fully understood.

I just posted in another thread that our reliance on terms and labels can be problematic when talking about spiritual concepts.

Edit: Sorry, this was just a commentary, not aimed at you. I just realized that I might have miscommunicated there.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

I have read of a study suggesting that many people who come to Christ hear the Gospel seven times before they do so. If so, this is quite interesting. Preaching the Word is likened to planting seeds. Sometimes those seeds are covered and not visible for a time before eventually they sprout. Something heard in childhood can be recalled upon the old man's deathbed and finally shine light upon his benighted soul.

When the Scriptures say the Word is essential to conversion, I believe it. I will mention, however, that God can deliver the Word through a variety of means. "Preaching" is the Biblical term but not all preaching is by a pastor from a pulpit. Preaching can occur in everyday conversation, in Scripturally based songs, even in how we believers live our lives. The Word can be read or heard. And I am aware of credible accounts of people being converted through visions in places where there are no Christians and where the Bible cannot be found.

Your primary meaning sounds like the parable of the sower. The parable of the sower (seeds) of course gives an impression that when the Gospel is heard (in that instant it is the Gospel of the Kingdom) then their is an immediate effect. The effect is as described in the parable. And yet to insist on that stark meaning and apply it to the Gospel of grace (as now is) is to miss that the parables are introduced precisely because Christ had already been refused.

The moment the Pharisees blasphemed the Holy Spirit, saying “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and “He casts out the demons by the ruler of the demons.” (Mark 3:22), Jesus stopped speaking plainly and began to speak in parables. The first parable was the parable of the sower in Mark 4:3-12.

“The scribes who came down from Jerusalem were saying, “Listen to this! Behold, the sower went out to sow; as he was sowing, some seed fell beside the road, and the birds came and ate it up. “Other seed fell on the rocky ground where it did not have much soil; and immediately it sprang up because it had no depth of soil. “And after the sun had risen, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away. “Other seed fell among the thorns, and the thorns came up and choked it, and it yielded no crop. “Other seeds fell into the good soil, and as they grew up and increased, they yielded a crop and produced thirty, sixty, and a hundredfold.” And He was saying, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” As soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables. And He was saying to them, “To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, so that while seeing, they may see and not perceive, and while hearing, they may hear and not understand, otherwise they might return and be forgiven.” Mark 4:3-12 (NASB)

The parable of the sower, however, is disclosing the condition of the hearer and expressly that of the pharisees who were the primary cause of that prophetic necessity - albeit, it also applies to Israel as well, because the parables were in fulfilment of a prophecy of Isaiah. Those who are born again as adults who have not directly heard the Gospel in the instant of their salvation may not for all that be lacking in hearing the Word of truth as a child. And in that sense what a child hears - a man may confess with his mouth. So what you have said is of course entirely valid in that meaning. But if we are to speak about men and women believing into Christ never having heard of Christ at all - then we must of course be vary careful how we say it - because therein lies an open door into occult paganism.

In reading the parables, as presented by the Lord in Mathew chapter thirteen, (beginning with the parable of the sower through to the parable of the net in Matthew 13:1-52) - we see that the parables were according to a prophecy of Isaiah 6:9-12. And the immediate meaning in context of those who were hearing Christ is that the parables were given to make a separation and to establish the sovereignty of God. We simply need to read it. The means by which this separation is achieved is by speaking parables (Matthew 13:13). It is v18 of Matthew 13 where the Lord Himself gives us the meaning of the parable of the sower. One would assume that if we have the Lord's own word by way of explaining His own parable - then we had better not change the explanation into a mystery - when its delivery was given as a parable in order to separate those who were of the Kingdom from those who are not - according to the Father - thereby making the Father the sovereign party. If not - then we may find that we have taken the place of God. That severity is my reason for asking @Blain as I did ask him - and yet you have proven to be the mercy of God to him in your @#109 post. Praise God.

 

[Gideon300]

Revival is a term that many saints hold to, to look for an answer to their own lives, as well as the lives of other saints. The emphasis is sometimes broader and includes a revival of society generally.

No one gets properly saved without hearing the gospel. They may be drawn to Christ, but ultimately the gospel is the power of God to save. I've heard a number of testimonies of people who have even had visions of Jesus. They testified that they were born again when they heard the message and consequently received Christ.

It is a tragedy that revival fizzles out. I believe the main cause is spiritual pride and complacency. There are times when it is disobedience. In the 70's, we had the charismatic renewal in Australia. During that time, God spoke to the church, saying that it was time to restore the truth of the church as a body. At least some took that on board and began to move in that truth. It did not take long for church leadership to panic and put an end to body ministry.

A typical example is home groups. Some churches formed home groups that had a lot of autonomy as to who preached, what was preached and how the group was structured. Before long, the leadership was dictating what was studied, who could preach and the format of the meetings. The status quo was reestablished and everyone went back to sleep. It was good while it lasted.

I was blessed to lead a youth group. Somehow we were left alone. I gave opportunity every second week for one of the kids to bring a word. It was great to see some show that they really knew Jesus. Others struggled, so we could pray for them. There were plenty of mistakes but I learned a lot through them. After a couple of years, I had to resign. The group fell apart. That was my inexperience. I should have been mentoring someone to take over.

I believe that one of the last great truths yet to be restored is the church as the body. Lord Jesus is building His church. It won't be left half finished. And "The latter glory of this house will be greater than the former," says the Lord of Hosts. I look forward to that day. I hope it will be in my lifetime.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

No one gets properly saved without hearing the gospel. They may be drawn to Christ, but ultimately the gospel is the power of God to save. I've heard a number of testimonies of people who have even had visions of Jesus. They testified that they were born again when they heard the message and consequently received Christ.

It is a tragedy that revival fizzles out. I believe the main cause is spiritual pride and complacency. There are times when it is disobedience. In the 70's, we had the charismatic renewal in Australia. During that time, God spoke to the church, saying that it was time to restore the truth of the church as a body. At least some took that on board and began to move in that truth. It did not take long for church leadership to panic and put an end to body ministry.

A typical example is home groups. Some churches formed home groups that had a lot of autonomy as to who preached, what was preached and how the group was structured. Before long, the leadership was dictating what was studied, who could preach and the format of the meetings. The status quo was reestablished and everyone went back to sleep. It was good while it lasted.

I was blessed to lead a youth group. Somehow we were left alone. I gave opportunity every second week for one of the kids to bring a word. It was great to see some show that they really knew Jesus. Others struggled, so we could pray for them. There were plenty of mistakes but I learned a lot through them. After a couple of years, I had to resign. The group fell apart. That was my inexperience. I should have been mentoring someone to take over.

I believe that one of the last great truths yet to be restored is the church as the body. Lord Jesus is building His church. It won't be left half finished. And "The latter glory of this house will be greater than the former," says the Lord of Hosts. I look forward to that day. I hope it will be in my lifetime.

Seeing as you are seventy years old, brother, then it will be in your life time if the Lord grants you five more years. Amen

 

[Blain]

Sometimes there is also a hastiness to how we communicate. I think it's a natural side effect of our busy modern lives, but it can result in miscommunications and misunderstandings.

It's important to clearly say and explain what you mean, and it's important to ask what was meant if it was not fully understood.

I just posted in another thread that our reliance on terms and labels can be problematic when talking about spiritual concepts.

Edit: Sorry, this was just a commentary, not aimed at you. I just realized that I might have miscommunicated there.

Yes there seemes to have been some kind of misunderstanding perhaps I misunderstood and responded in error

 

[Blain]

Thank you, brother. Blind or injured is the portion of all of us if we have been blinded by other believers who predicate to occult means and deflect spiritual truth - often by very intelligent means - and injured because such deceivers always predicate to holding others as though they were a commodity - and that is Satanic in its proportions because the only one who knows the number of things - be that men or angels is the Father. A just balance and scales belong to the Lord. All the weights of the bag are His concern.

Satan desires to be God - and so he measures an effect that has men as commodities in their souls and bodies by every possible means - and by the soul and bodies of believing men and women he also seeks to utilise their gift of God - to his own ends. I was an occult theosopher with satanic predications - I know what Satan is like because I once lay down with him and a whole toast of demonic spirits with delight and shook my fist at God - just as Satan does. To my shame, I say it and never have been inclined to make a false understanding of it so as to assert false claims that involve his ambitions - even when he cannot steal us out of the Father's hand. He can and surely does blind some in the outer man and injure others in the inner man. It can happen to all of us because never were we more vulnerable to spiritual harm than when we first believed and in a necessary leading of God righteously submitted to his ministers. @CS1 is entirely correct when he senses [criticises] that I have been raised up to minister into that effect. In the end it will have terrible and costly consequences for those who refuse to be found in Christ crucified for sin - and always stumble back into the flesh and by the flesh cause others to stumble also. It will be nothing less than judgement beginning in the household of God. But first the reviving Spirit of His mercy. And how will we be about that if we ourselves are not to be the instrument of its beginning? How will we know when it comes seeing as there have been and still are utterly fraudulent and false revivals that revive little - rather they have corrupted men and women even further than they were already corrupted in the seeing - when they see not - and in their groans when they are inclined to feel sorry for themselves and utilise that false instrument to demand understanding - when they ought to repent of their own disobedience.

God is going to address the teachers and the false prophets and the false apostles - and they will be judged unto death in the visibility of the churches if they do not utterly repent and lay down in ashes - crying out for mercy. Even then they may be taken away. Sovereign will of God in a day of unspeakable harm - when all of our blindness and injuries put Christ to an open shame.

It is interesting you have experience on the other side so you would know more than most the spiritual effect a revival would make on a spiritual level. I think it is wise to consider the after effects of a revival especially if darkness is all that follows but perhaps that darkness is not the point but rather what happened during the revival itself, sadly as you mentioned most revivals end up in a fallen state but to consider the after effects and taking into account that and the revival itself we have to wonder was it worth it? If the darkness that follows is that severe was it wise to ask for that revival to begin with or was the revival itself as short lived as it was a small glimps of hope that was needed in a world of darkness?

 

[Rhomphaeam]

It is interesting you have experience on the other side so you would know more than most the spiritual effect a revival would make on a spiritual level. I think it is wise to consider the after effects of a revival especially if darkness is all that follows but perhaps that darkness is not the point but rather what happened during the revival itself, sadly as you mentioned most revivals end up in a fallen state but to consider the after effects and taking into account that and the revival itself we have to wonder was it worth it? If the darkness that follows is that severe was it wise to ask for that revival to begin with or was the revival itself as short lived as it was a small glimps of hope that was needed in a world of darkness?

I have the be in Ministry for the next three days and so I won't be available to respond further until Monday morning. But I did want to address your points made here in the citation above. It will also give me time to reflect and pray about how I ought to continue this thread seeing as it is clear that there is at least a sense of something that is being inferred and yet doesn't seem easily stated.

It is interesting you have experience on the other side so you would know more than most the spiritual effect a revival would make on a spiritual level.

According to what the Lord has shown myself there are at least three things to answer this point you have made above.

1. The spiritual condition of the church before revival.
2. The character of revival when it comes - both in the church - in the community and in the spiritual realm of wickedness as a response.
3. The ongoing character of that spiritual wickedness after revival is come to an end - or more expressly after the hand of God is withdrawn in His sovereign way. Or when the sovereign hand of God passes over. Also why that is a necessary thing.

I think it is wise to consider the after effects of a revival especially if darkness is all that follows but perhaps that darkness is not the point but rather what happened during the revival itself, sadly as you mentioned most revivals end up in a fallen state but to consider the after effects and taking into account that and the revival itself we have to wonder was it worth it?

It is expressly the spiritual effect of wicked spirts that needs to be understood - so much so that it almost seems as though that is an emphasis when speaking about such realities both before, during and after revival. It would be a mistake, however, to press that meaning onto others and to neglect the profound hope that revival brings with it - despite the spiritual evidence and increasing evidence of spiritual wickedness - especially in the air over the community. I will be sharing specific details and citing those details in named men - none of whom are yet alive - but all of whom I both met and knew in Lewis. So this account is reading the Hebridean Revival. I could do the same regarding the revival in China - which I have expressed as being a continuous revival that has never come to an end. And yet the same underlying spiritual character of the activity of Satan is the precise same activity as in Lewis - yet did not produce the same ruinous condition. Of Wales I won't share because that belongs to others. But I have been involved in Ministry with pastors in Wales - even during a momentary opportunity when the power of God came - and yet was almost instantaneously stifled due to a singular reality that I don't have the liberty to speak about. But I will try and express it as a passing point of reference and link it to the overarching witness to the core thing I am called to speak into.

On the day I was delivered out of the occult I was given two books. The word of God by the inmate in the cell next to mine. A Book by Watchman Nee brought to me by a prison officer who's only reason for bringing it was because the cover was filled with Mandarin typo graphics and he knew that I had utilised the I Ching to practise divination on behalf of many of the inmates before I was put into solitary confinement - which is where this took place. The third book I received several weeks after my conversion to Christ, and was by a brother who was himself caught up in a revival fire in the 1960's in the north east of England. I also had my occult writings which by this time had come to form an intention to establish an occult order once I was released. Of this material two elements were binned.

The occult writings I made were thrown into the bin in the corner of the cell in the instant that the Father revealed Himself. In this thread @CS1 demanded that I explain how I was taken out of the occult - yet the answer to that is self evident for one who confessed Christ and doesn't need to be explained at all. His question was to garner a doubt - not to establish a truth. So I refused him. The second part of this material that I threw into the bin was the book by the brother, who was used by God in a revival work beginning in the 1960's. That was four weeks after I was given it - and that book was also brought to me by a different prison officer who by then knew that I had become a Christian and so thought to bless me with that book. As I threw that book through the air into the bin in the corner of my cell I became aware that it was going to land in the same bin my occult writings had been thrown into six week earlier. As It landed I was given a waking vision. That vision came with an understanding that the theatre of its meaning was in the north east of England. Today that is where I have been involved with believers since 2001 - when ten years ago myfamily purchased the building necessary to prepare for the hand of God. When I threw the book written by the brother, who was in a revival fire in the 1960's whilst in my solitary cell I didn't know that the area in the north east of England was directly connected to him and was in essence a furtherance of his own ministry - a fact that only became clear to me in 2018.

If the darkness that follows is that severe was it wise to ask for that revival to begin with or was the revival itself as short lived as it was a small glimps of hope that was needed in a world of darkness?

I am certain that you can understand why it isn't possible to explain every detail - and why I am just giving a sense of why I must obey the Lord and share those things that I know by faith ought to be a benefit to others who do not come into my own calling in the UK. The Hebrides, north east England and Wales are all connected together in events and visions and failings and learnings and costs and repentance for my own failings and others failings in a shared walk as the body of Christ - where no other thing matters than to see the church come to readiness for the Lord's return. In that is the mercy of the Father though His beloved Son and by the power of the Holy Sprit. So whilst I must express spiritual realities that are not in the least part edifying - as we know we are called to edify one another - they are a matter of obedience to this man at this time on this forum. You live in the USA. I am keenly aware that there is a need to answer some realities that in truth can barely be properly understood - and often are expressed in terms that cause brethren to separate their own experience in their own walks from the theatre they have endured ill effect - so that in the end many brethren are left with no hope in Christ to their own communities and thee won churches - and find themselves resisting that which they would be better to endure - it is is an endurance - before there is no more deliverance to be had - other than to sleep. Have a blessed weekend.

Rhomphaeam

 

[CS1]

just like a liar I never demanded anything from this person. I asked two questions were you a satanist and why did you leave it?
I never said YOU must tell me or be required to do so. Proves he is an untruthful person.

 

[Unw0rthyS3rvant]

I do not think there will be another great revival,especially in America.
This is why.
We have WAXED FAT in morality,greed,self pleasures,indecencies and blatant sins!

We know that all that say Lord,Lord are not his children,it is a small remnant that desire to but " touch his garment,I will be healed".

Instead of reviving us, I feel we must asked to be overwhelmed with POWER of the Holy Ghost, that we may " GO OUT INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL.

This world has enough of NO HOPE,NO LOVE,NO EMPATHY OR SYMPATHY,AND NO REVERENCE FOR GOD THE CREATOR!

We must hurry for NOW the time is nearer than when we first began.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

just like a liar I never demanded anything from this person. I asked two questions were you a satanist and why did you leave it?

I never said YOU must tell me or be required to do so. Proves he is an untruthful person.

I find that those who say they were ex-satanist seem to have an overly prideful approach to the word of God and human intellect. I ask the question to a satanist one time,

" Why did you leave satanism."

I ask that again to the originator of this thread.

simply are you saying you were never a satanist?

very simple question are you saying you were never a satanist? very simple yes or no.

No, brother, you are asking that I yield to yourself. I have already said plainly I won't do it. And for the record I have stated five times on this forum what my condition was when I was found by Christ in 1984. My profile is available for you or anyone to read along with the entirety of what I have posted. God bless.

so telling the truth is yielding to me? LOL. Here is what we know 1. you have said you were a satanist in post 476 of the "Tongues is a precious gift from God".

2. You have never publically stated why you were a Satanist.
3. You avoid the very question when asked
4. You have yet to provide one thread that is not critical of the church yet give the Occult a pass. Unless it is mocking and scoffing The gifts of the Holy Spirit.

first, off they are the only question you can answer and God knows.

Why did you become a Satanist? Why did you leave it?

You avoid the question and create a false narrative of bad English, judgment, yielding to others,s, etc..

Yet you want us to take your position on the church history as hurting more than helpful based on your thread here[/QUOTE

Now I am a liar because I say you demanded that I answer your question. As far as I can see you were demanding and would not accept my clear statement (in green above) that I would not yield to your demand. I have cited just a few instances in this thread where you made a similar harassment in order to predicate your intention to sow distrust - and the reason you came to that insult - which I have cited in blue. You should know, however, that I am unharmed. God bless you, brother.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

answer the question

How plain do words have to be, brother?

 

[Rhomphaeam]

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