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First of all, I'd like to say, I am not here to debate with anyone, I'm just simply sharing my experience with the OP as he has asked.
When I got saved I started attending a p/c church. And no, we don't teach you have to speak in tongues to be saved. The reason why I believe gifts of the spirit are for today is mainly because of my interpretation of 1 Corinthians 13:8-10
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."
Well, I believe the perfect is referring to Jesus. I understand some believe it refers to the bible and I'm okay with others having a different view point than me,
There are more scriptures but I'll share one more:
"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions." Joel 2:28
Now time for experiences, I read a true story of a Vietnamese man who was a type of marxist-leninism. He decided to go to a church to mock the believers. When he got there, they were speaking in tongues, he heard one man speak in Russian. After the service was over, the Vietnamese man went up to the Russian speaking man and asked, "Where did you learn Russian?" and the man replied he didn't know Russian.
Another story, former Pastor at my church was flying on a plane and felt compelled by God to speak in tongues, so he did. And the man that sat next to him said, "How do you know how to speak in my language? I come from an island of only 50 people." So the man heard the pastor say something like, "Believe in God." I've heard more stories like this too.
Being in the p/c church for a while now, I've received prophetic words and visions from other people and it has encouraged me and strengthened my faith very much. I just cannot see how God is not in it. I know unbelievers that have become believers because of it.
When I got saved I started attending a p/c church. And no, we don't teach you have to speak in tongues to be saved. The reason why I believe gifts of the spirit are for today is mainly because of my interpretation of 1 Corinthians 13:8-10
"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."
Well, I believe the perfect is referring to Jesus. I understand some believe it refers to the bible and I'm okay with others having a different view point than me,
There are more scriptures but I'll share one more:
"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions." Joel 2:28
Now time for experiences, I read a true story of a Vietnamese man who was a type of marxist-leninism. He decided to go to a church to mock the believers. When he got there, they were speaking in tongues, he heard one man speak in Russian. After the service was over, the Vietnamese man went up to the Russian speaking man and asked, "Where did you learn Russian?" and the man replied he didn't know Russian.
Another story, former Pastor at my church was flying on a plane and felt compelled by God to speak in tongues, so he did. And the man that sat next to him said, "How do you know how to speak in my language? I come from an island of only 50 people." So the man heard the pastor say something like, "Believe in God." I've heard more stories like this too.
Being in the p/c church for a while now, I've received prophetic words and visions from other people and it has encouraged me and strengthened my faith very much. I just cannot see how God is not in it. I know unbelievers that have become believers because of it.
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If it ruffled your feathers .that was not the intent behind whatvi said,i was a leader in a foursqua ree church..i akso went to bible school.at a pentecostal church years ago..all of which i did when i did not dive into the word to see what God has to..all do not soeak.in tongues,yet many seek after this gift or orophecy and i do believe many dake it or force it to belong...i am not angry .but i do soeak as a person who. came oht of charismatic pentecostal ways after being in them.for over a decade.. sure there are sincere folks in tgese churches, yet im looking at your fruit..not your gifts...do you have fruit that proves you are a christian? then do not worry about 'the gifts'....btw, watch your choice of vocabulary here..no need for that.read 1 corinthians 14..you will see God is a God or order,not chaos....
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I think what was said that one does not have to do so 
As JaumeJ rightly points out, and was indeed my thinking as well... without an interpreter, iti s all babbling. Thus, anyone listening would have to be unsaved. Hence, you have to be the speaker who "understands" the supposed language in order to be considered saved.
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Thank you libertygirl and others who have shared why your experience with and understanding of P/C beliefs.
As libertygirl stated, I'd much appreciate keeping to your own experience and reasons and not arguing with others' reasons. I have no problem with another thread that is more of a debate or discussion that goes back and forth--and I might even contribute--but my reasoning for this was to understand the people and not necessarily the logic back-and-forth. I appreciate everyone who has posted, and I understand that my original post could be taken as an invitation to debate, but I think there IS value in simply sharing and understanding--especially BEFORE debate.
I guess I envisioned it as a collection of stories. Like a "Voices of Pentecostalism and Charismatics" vignette series, if that makes sense.
Thanks, and God bless.
As libertygirl stated, I'd much appreciate keeping to your own experience and reasons and not arguing with others' reasons. I have no problem with another thread that is more of a debate or discussion that goes back and forth--and I might even contribute--but my reasoning for this was to understand the people and not necessarily the logic back-and-forth. I appreciate everyone who has posted, and I understand that my original post could be taken as an invitation to debate, but I think there IS value in simply sharing and understanding--especially BEFORE debate.
I guess I envisioned it as a collection of stories. Like a "Voices of Pentecostalism and Charismatics" vignette series, if that makes sense.
Thanks, and God bless.
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Then how is it in the book of acts men from different regions heard the apostles praising God in their own tongue, and after peter spoke they asked how they could be saved, and even today there are many instances where someone will hear his own language from someone that doesn't know what their saying, but the listener understands?
Throws that theory out the window
But i agree that to the unsaved that does not understand the language it may seem like babbling
Again i never stated that you have to speak in tongues in order to be saved, that is clearly unscriptual
Back to my original question:
What is wrong with being pentecostal??
Throws that theory out the window
But i agree that to the unsaved that does not understand the language it may seem like babbling
Again i never stated that you have to speak in tongues in order to be saved, that is clearly unscriptual
Back to my original question:
What is wrong with being pentecostal??
It has always been my understanding that people always speak in a foreign language, and sometimes in the language of angels. At the time the Holy Spirit came down on the apostles in the upper room, there were people in the city from many countries, and when they heard the apostles, they were speaking in various tongues (languages) and people present from those countries understood them. Now, knowing the power of our Father is limitless, it could be they were all simply understood because the Holy Spirit made them to understand. Those who understood were not believers as yet, at least not most of them.
The gift of tongues can be any language, again, or the language of angels. When someone has the gift, if there is no one present to interpret, either by gift, or happening to understand the foreign language being spoke, then it is best to refrain from speaking.
There is no conflict between the time the apostles spoke and were understood, and an individual with the gift of tongues and having someone gifted to interpret, either by birth or by rebirth, no difference at all.
Our Father really is all capable, and all He does is good, amen.
The gift of tongues can be any language, again, or the language of angels. When someone has the gift, if there is no one present to interpret, either by gift, or happening to understand the foreign language being spoke, then it is best to refrain from speaking.
There is no conflict between the time the apostles spoke and were understood, and an individual with the gift of tongues and having someone gifted to interpret, either by birth or by rebirth, no difference at all.
Our Father really is all capable, and all He does is good, amen.
I was raised baptist. As I got older i was invited to a pentecostal church and it was all new to me.
They teach Jesus name baptsim acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. I thank God for everything I have learned. I am not ashamed of the gospel
of Christ. I prefer this kind of church , but that is just my experience.This scripture says the gift of the
Holy Ghost is still for today
They teach Jesus name baptsim acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. I thank God for everything I have learned. I am not ashamed of the gospel
of Christ. I prefer this kind of church , but that is just my experience.This scripture says the gift of the
Holy Ghost is still for today
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I mean no offense to the OP and those responding, but it appears to me that threads such as this, while seemingly benign on the surface, are created with the intent of creating argument and discord.
If you convinced me
And I convinced you
Would there not still be
Two points of view?
I am a new member and perhaps it is evidence of my naivete with this site, but such discussion appears more accusatory than constructive to our faith.
Ephesians 4:2-6
If you convinced me
And I convinced you
Would there not still be
Two points of view?
I am a new member and perhaps it is evidence of my naivete with this site, but such discussion appears more accusatory than constructive to our faith.
Ephesians 4:2-6
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i have to disagree with the previous post..people,seek.to discuss..not sow discord..some are sensiyive regardibg this topic .my experiences are from an insider,not an outsider..i used to attend these kind of churches, i was held onto by two men of my church and they refused to let me go until i prayed in tongues...so, no..not all tongues are genuine..i merely did so theyd let me go..it was not sincere,and i was very young in the faith back then...there is a sort of spiritual peer pressure in some of these churcges to go with the flow,if you do not you are rejected or,seen as less spiritual....
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PETAMYMIK, I completely understand what you are saying, and I knew that my topic would create some discord--whether it is healthy or not is not for me to say at the moment. I didn't want the post to be about that, but I knew it would arrive in some form. I still found it valuable and, personally, interesting and so wanted to pose the question regardless. But I appreciate your concern and, I think, accurate observation. I just regret that that is the case.
I got saved when I said the sinner's prayer at my bedside, attended a Pentecostal church, got baptised in water (full immersion) and shortly afterwards was Baptised in the Holy Spirit, all in the first year of my salvation, 30 years ago...
For me to have fellowship with another brother or sister (in Christ) all I look for is that they know the Lord Jesus as their Saviour (by being washed in His Blood), whether or not they are baptised in water or the Holy Spirit does not come into it, for (for me) it is faith in the Lord Jesus that makes an individual a Christian and so a member of the Body of Christ, which constitutes 'The Church'.
I have attended many different denominations and hence fellowshipped with Christians from those Churches in different countries, some of these being: Elim, AoG, Church of God, Independant Pentecostals, Methodist, Anglician, Presbyterian, (different) Brethren, Roman Catholics, United Reformed Church...I even have a cousin who is a Presbyterian minister. I may not agree with some of their non-essential (Christian) doctrines, but that does not stop me from fellowshipping with them and they with me, I see them as sisters and brothers (in Christ)...
Yahweh Shalom...
For me to have fellowship with another brother or sister (in Christ) all I look for is that they know the Lord Jesus as their Saviour (by being washed in His Blood), whether or not they are baptised in water or the Holy Spirit does not come into it, for (for me) it is faith in the Lord Jesus that makes an individual a Christian and so a member of the Body of Christ, which constitutes 'The Church'.
I have attended many different denominations and hence fellowshipped with Christians from those Churches in different countries, some of these being: Elim, AoG, Church of God, Independant Pentecostals, Methodist, Anglician, Presbyterian, (different) Brethren, Roman Catholics, United Reformed Church...I even have a cousin who is a Presbyterian minister. I may not agree with some of their non-essential (Christian) doctrines, but that does not stop me from fellowshipping with them and they with me, I see them as sisters and brothers (in Christ)...
Yahweh Shalom...
What is wrong with being a pentacostal??
I am
I believe tongues and prophecy is still here, so long as it's spoken in accordance with Gods word
I have seen first hand demonic possession, and deliverance from it
the sick have been healed through the laying of hands
I have been a part of spontaneous worship,
And danced in the spirit
Church is not ment to be a funeral procession but a celebration, after all Jesus is not dead
I would rather attend a church where the pastor is obviously being moved by the spirit and my attention is captured than a pastor that just puts me to sleep
My opinion, like it or not
I am
I believe tongues and prophecy is still here, so long as it's spoken in accordance with Gods word
I have seen first hand demonic possession, and deliverance from it
the sick have been healed through the laying of hands
I have been a part of spontaneous worship,
And danced in the spirit
Church is not ment to be a funeral procession but a celebration, after all Jesus is not dead
I would rather attend a church where the pastor is obviously being moved by the spirit and my attention is captured than a pastor that just puts me to sleep
My opinion, like it or not
I am obviously of a non charismatic faith, and I have never fallen asleep during a sermon. As a matter of fact I have laughed quietly, and even cried. Let me tell ya, sobbing silently was me being moved by the HS. The message the preacher was speaking moved me. It wasn't the preachers words, but the words he spoke from the word of God. I didn;t have to speak in tongues, watch an exorcism, dance, pass out or even be physically healed to know the HS was there. I also don't have to put on a show either.
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As l like to say
To each his own
God bless you sister
God knows what we need, when we need it
Some are reserved
Some are loud
But i do have to say, while pentecostals do get a bit loud, there is always order
If there wasn't order i believe it would be offensive to the Holy Spirit
I do believe in doing all things in accordance to Gods word;
To each his own
God bless you sister
God knows what we need, when we need it
Some are reserved
Some are loud
But i do have to say, while pentecostals do get a bit loud, there is always order
If there wasn't order i believe it would be offensive to the Holy Spirit
I do believe in doing all things in accordance to Gods word;
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As l like to say
To each his own
God bless you sister
God knows what we need, when we need it
Some are reserved
Some are loud
But i do have to say, while pentecostals do get a bit loud, there is always order
If there wasn't order i believe it would be offensive to the Holy Spirit
I do believe in doing all things in accordance to Gods word;
To each his own
God bless you sister
God knows what we need, when we need it
Some are reserved
Some are loud
But i do have to say, while pentecostals do get a bit loud, there is always order
If there wasn't order i believe it would be offensive to the Holy Spirit
I do believe in doing all things in accordance to Gods word;
You should see me in the chat room here on CC. I get on the mic to speak and can barely finish a sentence due to the pretty colors of the chat room texts. Seriously.