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Calvin is burning right now for being the author of the last days doctrine that ruins the visible church before the appearing of Christ according to prophecy.
But anyway, faith is a noun. The Bible says it's the ability, the conviction, that something you can't see really is true:
"1Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1
Just knowing something is true never saved anyone. You have to trust in what you know to be true about Jesus in order to be justified/saved. That's the part we do. We do the trusting in what God has shown us through the gift of faith to really be true. God doesn't do that part for you. YOU do that part. But even that we can't do without God's continual encouragement.
And last time I checked 'believing/trusting' was not included in the list of works that can not justify/save. But if you want to correct me on that just post the chapter and verse. I'll look it up myself and save you the trouble of cutting and pasting. I promise to look it up, just give me the chapter and verse.
But anyway, faith is a noun. The Bible says it's the ability, the conviction, that something you can't see really is true:
"1Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1
Just knowing something is true never saved anyone. You have to trust in what you know to be true about Jesus in order to be justified/saved. That's the part we do. We do the trusting in what God has shown us through the gift of faith to really be true. God doesn't do that part for you. YOU do that part. But even that we can't do without God's continual encouragement.
And last time I checked 'believing/trusting' was not included in the list of works that can not justify/save. But if you want to correct me on that just post the chapter and verse. I'll look it up myself and save you the trouble of cutting and pasting. I promise to look it up, just give me the chapter and verse.
the context of chapter 14 vv. 25-35.
this is chapter 14 verse 25:
in which verse does it say "He said to His disciples" ?
that ain't in ch. 14 or ch. 15. it's how chapter 16 starts.
but this is all a wild goose chase. the important point is are we carrying lost sheep on our shoulders or is He?
this is chapter 14 verse 25:
Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them He said:
this is chapter 15 verse 1:Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus.
in which verse does it say "He said to His disciples" ?
that ain't in ch. 14 or ch. 15. it's how chapter 16 starts.
but this is all a wild goose chase. the important point is are we carrying lost sheep on our shoulders or is He?
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He encourages and helps us in our believing/trusting. He does not do it for us. He gives us the knowledge--the faith--that what we are to trust in is real, but he does not do our trusting/believing for us. WE do that part. And last time I checked trusting/believing is NOT a work of the damnable works gospel. But you can set me straight on that with chapter and verse if I'm wrong about that. I'll listen. Promise.
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Calvin is the supreme example of someone without the Spirit overthinking the things of God.
And here, let me help you understand what I'm talking about when I say 'the visible church':
"41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matthew 13:41-42
The church in the world is not clean, and it's getting more and more polluted each day. But the Bible said this would happen in the last days before Christ's appearing. The doctrine that is pushing this pollution of the church is 'once saved always saved' doctrine. Meanwhile, true believers not swayed by this ear tickling doctrine are the church that the gates of hell can't hold.
And here, let me help you understand what I'm talking about when I say 'the visible church':
"41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." - Matthew 13:41-42
The church in the world is not clean, and it's getting more and more polluted each day. But the Bible said this would happen in the last days before Christ's appearing. The doctrine that is pushing this pollution of the church is 'once saved always saved' doctrine. Meanwhile, true believers not swayed by this ear tickling doctrine are the church that the gates of hell can't hold.
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Faith is knowing something is true. Trusting is relying on what you now know to be true. Two very distinct things. It seems most in the church are taking false comfort in simply agreeing with God that the gospel is true, not realizing that they have to place their trust in what God has shown them to be true in order for them to be saved.
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Yep. And this truth is why we should not assign weakness or failure to God when someone chooses not to come to Christ, or come back to Christ after they have fallen away (i.e. the Galatians). But that is exactly what 'once saved always saved' does--it makes God a failure for calling many but only a few accepting the election to the high calling through their believing/trusting.
They are chosen from among the many called on the basis of their believing--the believing God has made possible through the gift of 'knowing'--the gift of faith. It is in that way that God gives them to Christ--through believing.
I know you're being funny, but that is what 'once saved always saved' has to do to prove it's doctrines. Me? I just stick with the plain words of scripture. No need to overthink things when you do that.
The understanding or insight of the scriptire..a baby christian.wint have the same insight and understanding ad a more mature christian..as a mature christian wont have as much insight as others..always learning and growing in the Word..and somethings God discloses from us for a purpose and might not ever get an answer until we are in heaven.
Referring to, for, and about "the Church which is His body," consider the following:
Romans 7:1-4 -
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead [you have been put to death] to the law by [means of] the body of Christ; that ye should be married [to be joined / to belong - G1096 'genesthai'] to Another, even to Him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
John 14 -
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
"if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself." 2Tim2:13blb
... that last reference, as I see it, is related to the others.
Romans 7:1-4 -
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead [you have been put to death] to the law by [means of] the body of Christ; that ye should be married [to be joined / to belong - G1096 'genesthai'] to Another, even to Him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
John 14 -
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
"if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself." 2Tim2:13blb
... that last reference, as I see it, is related to the others.
no, i'm not at all.
His invisible qualities are clearly seen by what has been made. what mankind has learned about the nature of the fabric of creation in the last 100 years has profound implications substantiating what may have been predicted about the nature of physical reality from the theological principles revealed in the scripture.
a sound understanding of quantum physics is very valuable to understanding the profound mystery of His sovereign will and the existence of individual volition in mortal men.
His invisible qualities are clearly seen by what has been made. what mankind has learned about the nature of the fabric of creation in the last 100 years has profound implications substantiating what may have been predicted about the nature of physical reality from the theological principles revealed in the scripture.
a sound understanding of quantum physics is very valuable to understanding the profound mystery of His sovereign will and the existence of individual volition in mortal men.
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That's why we should remain a part of his body through a continued believing. For the passage also says if we deny him (which causes us to not be a part of his body) he will deny us, which means he no longer has any obligation to continue to remain faithful to us.
"If we deny Him, He also will deny us" - 2 Timothy 2:12
"if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave " - 1 Corinthians 7:15
"If we deny Him, He also will deny us" - 2 Timothy 2:12
"if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave " - 1 Corinthians 7:15
Then stop using it to prove 'once saved always saved', people! 
False religion concept...foundation melts when applying The Bible meaning and G-d's intent.
OSAS came about after the 1960's social and moral revolution, it is very misleading and is not scriptural.
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