In regard to Hebrews 10:26-39, see post #19 from the link below:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/
Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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Ok guy.
It appears you are not ready to even talk about your dangerous and wrong beliefs about WHO KEEPS you saved. Psst! It ain't YOU!
I just hope you don't somehow think you don't sin. Your NEXT sin may be it! You lose it all.
Peace out, and keep working, and "enduring" to keep yourself saved.
It appears you are not ready to even talk about your dangerous and wrong beliefs about WHO KEEPS you saved. Psst! It ain't YOU!
I just hope you don't somehow think you don't sin. Your NEXT sin may be it! You lose it all.
Peace out, and keep working, and "enduring" to keep yourself saved.
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I actually agreee with some of what you said in that post, it's not clearly saying the people he is writing to are or are not believers of Yahshua, but I think they are but that they dont understand about the change of the priesthood, if the book is taken as a whole it seems clear that he is not trying to convince them of Yahshua but rather that Yahsua is high priest and the levites are not longer an active priesthood.
Something VERY easy for use to see, but put yourself in the place of those who went to the "temple" daily and was under that prieshood, it for them would be an HUGE change, huge. And overall it seems o be the intent of the letter.
With that said im not stuck on Heb 10 as proof text, I do however take it to heasrt.
Something VERY easy for use to see, but put yourself in the place of those who went to the "temple" daily and was under that prieshood, it for them would be an HUGE change, huge. And overall it seems o be the intent of the letter.
With that said im not stuck on Heb 10 as proof text, I do however take it to heasrt.
I disagree.
No one has ever " escaped the defilements of the world" without being in Messiah.
2 Peter 2:20-22, “For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour יהושע Messiah, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart command delivered unto them. For them the proverb has proved true, “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “A washed sow returns to her rolling in the mud.”
No one has ever " escaped the defilements of the world" without being in Messiah.
2 Peter 2:20-22, “For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour יהושע Messiah, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart command delivered unto them. For them the proverb has proved true, “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “A washed sow returns to her rolling in the mud.”
Constant personal attack with you.
John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."
Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”
Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”
1 Peter 1:18-21, “Knowing that you were redeemed from your futile behavior inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, but manifested in these last times for your sakes, who through Him believe in Elohim who raised Him from the dead and gave Him esteem, so that your belief and expectation are in Elohim.”
2 Peter 3:9, “יהוה is not slow in regard to the promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward us, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.”
1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear יהוה, and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you."
John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."
Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”
Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”
1 Peter 1:18-21, “Knowing that you were redeemed from your futile behavior inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, but manifested in these last times for your sakes, who through Him believe in Elohim who raised Him from the dead and gave Him esteem, so that your belief and expectation are in Elohim.”
2 Peter 3:9, “יהוה is not slow in regard to the promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward us, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.”
1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear יהוה, and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you."
you are vile for saying that. if thats not slander I dont know what is.
Also I never said anyone could lose it I said none have recieved it YET:
1 Peter 1:3-9, “Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused us to be born again (#G313) to a living expectation through the resurrection of יהושע Messiah from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, having been kept in the heavens for you, who are protected by the power of Yah through belief, for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time, in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah, whom having not seen, you love; in whom you exult with unspeakable and esteemed joy, yet not seeing, but believing, obtaining the goal of your belief: a deliverance of lives.”
Luke 21:28, “Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
Born Again Unto Salvation:
“saved” is word #G4982 sózó - sózó: to save, Original Word: σῴζω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: sózó, Phonetic Spelling: (sode'-zo), Short Definition: I save, heal, Definition: I save, heal, preserve, rescue.
Romans 10:9, “That if you confess with your mouth the Master יהושע and believe in your heart that Elohim has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, and so is saved."
“shall be saved” is word #G4982 [e] sōthēsē - σωθήσῃ· - you will be saved. σωθήσῃ (sōthēsē) — 3 Occurrences
Hebrews 9:27-28, “And as it awaits men to die once, and after this the judgment, so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to those waiting for Him, unto salvation.”
Mat 24:29-31, “Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other.”
Also I never said anyone could lose it I said none have recieved it YET:
1 Peter 1:3-9, “Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused us to be born again (#G313) to a living expectation through the resurrection of יהושע Messiah from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, having been kept in the heavens for you, who are protected by the power of Yah through belief, for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time, in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah, whom having not seen, you love; in whom you exult with unspeakable and esteemed joy, yet not seeing, but believing, obtaining the goal of your belief: a deliverance of lives.”
Luke 21:28, “Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
Born Again Unto Salvation:
“saved” is word #G4982 sózó - sózó: to save, Original Word: σῴζω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: sózó, Phonetic Spelling: (sode'-zo), Short Definition: I save, heal, Definition: I save, heal, preserve, rescue.
Romans 10:9, “That if you confess with your mouth the Master יהושע and believe in your heart that Elohim has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, and so is saved."
“shall be saved” is word #G4982 [e] sōthēsē - σωθήσῃ· - you will be saved. σωθήσῃ (sōthēsē) — 3 Occurrences
Hebrews 9:27-28, “And as it awaits men to die once, and after this the judgment, so also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to those waiting for Him, unto salvation.”
Mat 24:29-31, “Immediately, but after the tribulation of those days will the sun be darkened, and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His malakim with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of earth to the other.”
Your post supports my idea, nowhere is G3393 μίασμα miasma pollution/defilement exclusive to the "outside"
one means pollution/defilement one means decay, neither are exclusive to inside or outside, that is your made up idea.
G5356 φθορά phthora (ftho-ra') n.
decay, i.e. ruin (spontaneous or inflicted).
{literally or figuratively}
[from G5351]
KJV: corruption, destroy, perish
Root(s): G5351
G3393 μίασμα miasma (miy'-az-ma) n.
1. (morally) contaminated, polluted.
2. (properly) the effect of contamination.
[from G3392 (“miasma”)]
KJV: pollution
Root(s): G3392
It's so clear this is crazy
2 Peter 2:18-22, "For speaking arrogant nonsense, they entice – through the lusts of the flesh, through indecencies – the ones who have indeed escaped from those living in delusion, promising them freedom, though themselves being slaves of corruption – for one is a slave to whatever overcomes him. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour יהושע Messiah, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the first.For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart commande delivered unto them. For them the proverb has proved true, “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “A washed sow returns to her rolling in the mud.”
one means pollution/defilement one means decay, neither are exclusive to inside or outside, that is your made up idea.
G5356 φθορά phthora (ftho-ra') n.
decay, i.e. ruin (spontaneous or inflicted).
{literally or figuratively}
[from G5351]
KJV: corruption, destroy, perish
Root(s): G5351
G3393 μίασμα miasma (miy'-az-ma) n.
1. (morally) contaminated, polluted.
2. (properly) the effect of contamination.
[from G3392 (“miasma”)]
KJV: pollution
Root(s): G3392
It's so clear this is crazy
2 Peter 2:18-22, "For speaking arrogant nonsense, they entice – through the lusts of the flesh, through indecencies – the ones who have indeed escaped from those living in delusion, promising them freedom, though themselves being slaves of corruption – for one is a slave to whatever overcomes him. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour יהושע Messiah, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the first.For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart commande delivered unto them. For them the proverb has proved true, “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “A washed sow returns to her rolling in the mud.”
PennEd is correct. Many, through their own human intellect, might come to believe for a while but eventually will, and must, fall away. Only those given faith as a fruit of the Spirit as a gift being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, remain in the faith throughout their lives. There is a great distinction between the two types of faith: one by man; one by God.
[Luk 8:13 KJV] 13 They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
[Luk 8:13 KJV] 13 They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
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That verse does not sasy those people "escaped the defilments of the earth" it says they have joy and belief.
Luke 8:12-15,“And those by the wayside are the ones who hear, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, lest having believed, they should be saved.“And those on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy. And these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of trial fall away.“And that which fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with worries, and riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to perfection.“And that on the good soil are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, retain it, and bear fruit with endurance.
Luke 8:12-15,“And those by the wayside are the ones who hear, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, lest having believed, they should be saved.“And those on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy. And these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of trial fall away.“And that which fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with worries, and riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to perfection.“And that on the good soil are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, retain it, and bear fruit with endurance.
Wrong. The laws of the Torah were ended in/by Christ and were never intended by God to bring eternal justification. Man, in trying to
justify himself before God, is the trampling underfoot of Christ, because by it, he sets the salvation Christ had provided at naught.
[Eze 20:25 KJV] 25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
justify himself before God, is the trampling underfoot of Christ, because by it, he sets the salvation Christ had provided at naught.
[Eze 20:25 KJV] 25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
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