Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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Well runningman was never upfront about what he believed about Jesus ' deity.
The impression I got is he believed Jesus to be son of God.. but not equal with the Father. Altho some things he posted seemed to show Jesus is equal.
Imo if you deny Jesus' deity on a Christian forum then eventually you will be kicked. Different though if you are prepared to change that view
The impression I got is he believed Jesus to be son of God.. but not equal with the Father. Altho some things he posted seemed to show Jesus is equal.
Imo if you deny Jesus' deity on a Christian forum then eventually you will be kicked. Different though if you are prepared to change that view
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No, absolutely NOT!
God is offering His One and Only Son…it’s not just “grace” God is offering!!! It is His One and Only Begotten Son. Only the works of God’s One and Only Son can SAVE.
God offers His One and Only Gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ- the Only Savior which means our works CANNOT save us but, the Works of Jesus Christ DO save WHOSOEVER will believe in His Works NOT ours.
Our works are just simply “evidence” of our faith or trust and belief in God’s One and Only Son -our One and Only Savior. Amen.
CONSIDER THE SUFFERING GOD ENDURED TO SAVE US!
God is offering His One and Only Son…it’s not just “grace” God is offering!!! It is His One and Only Begotten Son. Only the works of God’s One and Only Son can SAVE.
God offers His One and Only Gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ- the Only Savior which means our works CANNOT save us but, the Works of Jesus Christ DO save WHOSOEVER will believe in His Works NOT ours.
Our works are just simply “evidence” of our faith or trust and belief in God’s One and Only Son -our One and Only Savior. Amen.
CONSIDER THE SUFFERING GOD ENDURED TO SAVE US!
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Faith is not saying yes. Saying yes must be from faith, because why would anyone choose to say yes without it - it would be meaningless. But even if having to say yes is true (which it is not), then just in having to say it alone makes it into a work and a law.
However, that was not my point. My point was that should it be of us, then the saving is taken away from Christ the Saviour and places it into our hands - thus making of us our own saviour - or not (depending).
True faith is only as a gift from God. Anything that we perceive as being our requirement for it, means that it can't be a gift, making it
a work - our work.
If salvation is a gift as you say by quoting Eph 2:8 above, then everything that brings that salvation must also be a gif or salvation couldn't/wouldn't be a gift.
[Gal 2:20 KJV]
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[1Pe 1:21 KJV]
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[Eph 2:8 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
[Phl 1:6 KJV] 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus
Christ:
[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
However, that was not my point. My point was that should it be of us, then the saving is taken away from Christ the Saviour and places it into our hands - thus making of us our own saviour - or not (depending).
True faith is only as a gift from God. Anything that we perceive as being our requirement for it, means that it can't be a gift, making it
a work - our work.
If salvation is a gift as you say by quoting Eph 2:8 above, then everything that brings that salvation must also be a gif or salvation couldn't/wouldn't be a gift.
[Gal 2:20 KJV]
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[1Pe 1:21 KJV]
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[Eph 2:8 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
[Phl 1:6 KJV] 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus
Christ:
[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”[f Rom1:17
So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief. Heb3:19
G. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. Rom11:20-23
But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. Col1:22&23
But my righteous[g] one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.”[h]
39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved. Heb10:38&39
Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. Luke8:13
So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief. Heb3:19
G. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. Rom11:20-23
But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. Col1:22&23
But my righteous[g] one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.”[h]
39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved. Heb10:38&39
Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. Luke8:13
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Not true. Whether the least or the greatest is required it doesn't matter. All that matters is whether we believe that something, anything, outside of Christ is required. Should we believe so, then, in effect, we are saying that Christ is not the Saviour, and we thereby remain under law. It is also saying that we believe God the Father's testimony of Christ as being the Saviour is a lie.
Both, at the same time, simply cannot be true - that salvation is through/by Christ, yet also believing that something is still needed on our part in order to complete it.
Christ is not a "mostly" Saviour.
Both, at the same time, simply cannot be true - that salvation is through/by Christ, yet also believing that something is still needed on our part in order to complete it.
Christ is not a "mostly" Saviour.