Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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Cameron143

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All priests were to be ritually cleansed in a purification ceremony, a consecration before Divine service :)

Jesus is our high priest :D
Are you saying I need a bath? That is the most polite way of saying someone smells I have ever heard.
 
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Philippians 1
2Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Here Paul says God purchased the Church [[WITH HIS OWN BLOOD]]...

That says Jesus, GOD, purchased the Church with HIS OWN BLOOD.

WHO DIED ON THE CROSS AND SHED HIS OWN BLOOD?

JESUS did.

Paul is calling Jesus God!
 

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Here Paul says God purchased the Church [[WITH HIS OWN BLOOD]]...

That says Jesus, GOD, purchased the Church with HIS OWN BLOOD.

WHO DIED ON THE CROSS AND SHED HIS OWN BLOOD?

JESUS did.

Paul is calling Jesus God!
Hebrews 4
15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.

James 1
13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
 
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Hebrews 4
15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.

James 1
13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
There it is, you really don't believe Jesus is GOD!
 
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Hebrews 4
15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.

James 1
13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
What saddens me most, the Bible says GOD manifested into flesh.

Flesh is sinful by nature due to Adam.

But We also know God in the flesh did not sin because God is incapable of sinning.

But you are unable to see that the flesh was tempted, but knowing Jesus never sinned, cannot comprehend as God He would not be tempted by the flesh.

You really don't understand at all.
 

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What is free grace? What is Free Grace Theology? | GotQuestions.org

Is this an accurate assessment? If it is, I am not one of them. Furthermore, a quick scan of the points had me disputing a whole lot of these supposed assertions. Sorry if I am getting OT.
Nope you are not one of them.

Free grace is this.. a Christian SHOULD live for Christ.

But, it is not that he MUST (that would be works for salvation).

And, it’s not that he WILL (that would be Calvinism).

This is free grace and supported here and many other places.

John 8:31-32 is a good passage that makes the point about the distinction between receiving eternal life (grace) and discipleship:

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Note that Jesus said to those which had believed on him (and had eternal life) that if they continued in His word, then they would be His disciples indeed (in deed).

Free grace is freedom the other is bondage.
 
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If square one (starting point) is missing hard for the other squares to fall in place.

That's my view anyway and I am sticking with it! :D
Agreed!

For some it's truly difficult to see how a perfect God could live in a body that is tempted but actually the Side of God is never tempted.

The Body had to be like those who God is saving, but some struggle thinking if God is in this body that's tempted, then it means God is tempted.

Runningman has completely missed the understanding why God chose a flesh body while still maintaining to be perfect like God is.

He can't understand the body is the only thing being tempted here. God inside the body is not being tempted at all, just the body that's going to be sacrificed.

It's truly sad how blind Runningman is :(
 

HeIsHere

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Agreed!

For some it's truly difficult to see how a perfect God could live in a body that is tempted but actually the Side of God is never tempted.

The Body had to be like those who God is saving, but some struggle thinking if God is in this body that's tempted, then it means God is tempted.

Runningman has completely missed the understanding why God chose a flesh body while still maintaining to be perfect like God is.

He can't understand the body is the only thing being tempted here. God inside the body is not being tempted at all, just the body that's going to be sacrificed.

It's truly sad how blind Runningman is :(
I cannot see how any scripture regarding Jesus would make any sense if one does not accept and understand the dual nature.
 

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1) And, it’s not that he WILL (that would be ....???).

2) Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
1) Biblical?
2) That would undoubtedly constitute the entire Body. Who believe on Him, continue in His word, know the truth, and are free.

Thing is.....even in that little article I could see that the attempt at exegesis was a train wreck. Seriously.
 

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1) Biblical?
2) That would undoubtedly constitute the entire Body. Who believe on Him, continue in His word, know the truth, and are free.

Thing is.....even in that little article I could see that the attempt at exegesis was a train wreck. Seriously.
Okay, have a nice evening.
 
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Agreed!

For some it's truly difficult to see how a perfect God could live in a body that is tempted but actually the Side of God is never tempted.

The Body had to be like those who God is saving, but some struggle thinking if God is in this body that's tempted, then it means God is tempted.

Runningman has completely missed the understanding why God chose a flesh body while still maintaining to be perfect like God is.

He can't understand the body is the only thing being tempted here. God inside the body is not being tempted at all, just the body that's going to be sacrificed.

It's truly sad how blind Runningman is :(
John 14
28You heard Me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I.

John 10
29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.
 
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John 14
28You heard Me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I.

John 10
29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.
Bible states Jesus emptied Himself. These Verses verify that.

Philippians 2:7
 

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1) Biblical?
2) That would undoubtedly constitute the entire Body. Who believe on Him, continue in His word, know the truth, and are free.

Thing is.....even in that little article I could see that the attempt at exegesis was a train wreck. Seriously.
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Thing is.....even in that little article I could see that the free grace pastors attempt at exegesis was a train wreck. Seriously.
 
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If anybody believes in the insecurity of salvation they are not a believer in the rebirth, which is an eternal light put in each person who was imparted with the mind and character of God, after receiving imputed righteousness.

The facts are, the plan through the Father to Jesus was that all evil of us became the evil of Jesus in God's eyes. This was an act of heroism by Jesus who was executed and sent to hell. Since Jesus was acquitted by his heroism, a person who actually had no sin, it says in Romans 4 that he was permitted or allowed to rise from the grave.

If any person could overrule their imputed righteousness, then Jesus would no longer qualify as heroic, and he would have to return the the grave a sinner and to hell for eternity. Since Scripture tells us Jesus sits on his throne forever, no one therefore loses their salvation.

You seek fairness? That isn't grace, and it flies in the face of the rebirth.

In the rebirth, it is impossible to sin, but only to pretend sin, as the reborn have regret and sorrow and homesickness for correctness and holiness.

Only those who take no stock in the all-important rebirth are heretics and bearers of a false gospel of human effort to make God owe heaven to people.
 

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If anybody believes in the insecurity of salvation they are not a believer in the rebirth, which is an eternal light put in each person who was imparted with the mind and character of God, after receiving imputed righteousness.

The facts are, the plan through the Father to Jesus was that all evil of us became the evil of Jesus in God's eyes. This was an act of heroism by Jesus who was executed and sent to hell. Since Jesus was acquitted by his heroism, a person who actually had no sin, it says in Romans 4 that he was permitted or allowed to rise from the grave.

If any person could overrule their imputed righteousness, then Jesus would no longer qualify as heroic, and he would have to return the the grave a sinner and to hell for eternity. Since Scripture tells us Jesus sits on his throne forever, no one therefore loses their salvation.

You seek fairness? That isn't grace, and it flies in the face of the rebirth.

In the rebirth, it is impossible to sin, but only to pretend sin, as the reborn have regret and sorrow and homesickness for correctness and holiness.

Only those who take no stock in the all-important rebirth are heretics and bearers of a false gospel of human effort to make God owe heaven to people.
yes and yes.