Obedient Woman

[Katia]

I see you quote the Quran quite often, are you trying to convince us there is more than one way to be saved then the Lord Yeshua??????

No. Sometimes it is to show the commonality of ideas. If I was knowledgeable about other philosophies, I might quote them. The beliefs and desires of the God of Abraham have spread over much of the world.

 

[1ofthem]

What country do you live in? Women are people to. In the US and much of Europe, they are fed a steady diet through the education system and media against the idea of submission to husbands, and fathers for that matter. Women are human beings and are capable of sin even if the husband is doing well. Just like men can be bad even if their wives treat them well.

Christ is perfectly loving, but those churches in Revelation did not perfectly submit to Him in all things.



What kind of agendas are we talking about? Getting his wife to help him rob a bank, or something that isn't really clear from what the Bible teaches?

I'm from the south.... maybe it is like its own little country...idk...lol

We all know men and women can be good or bad.

Hopefully, any woman would know better than to rob a bank just because her husband said so....

I'm talking about a man laying down the law to his wife based solely upon his own interest or just because he wants to control her instead of making decisions out of love, respect, and what is best for their family.

If a man is making reckless and stupid decisions in any area do you think a woman should be submissive and obedient to him in whatever decision he makes?

Let's say maybe in the financial area. He wants to live above their means...making stupid choices with finances and things like that should a woman just follow along with his reckless choices even if that means that their family will end up suffering from the poor choices?

 

[JohnDB]

I'm from the south.... maybe it is like its own little country...idk...lol

We all know men and women can be good or bad.

Hopefully, any woman would know better than to rob a bank just because her husband said so....

I'm talking about a man laying down the law to his wife based solely upon his own interest or just because he wants to control her instead of making decisions out of love, respect, and what is best for their family.

If a man is making reckless and stupid decisions in any area do you think a woman should be submissive and obedient to him in whatever decision he makes?

Let's say maybe in the financial area. He wants to live above their means...making stupid choices with finances and things like that should a woman just follow along with his reckless choices even if that means that their family will end up suffering from the poor choices?

I don't know the reason but so often in a marriage one person will be a spender and one person a saver of money...no idea why it is...just that I've heard this a lot over the years.

It's not a sufficient reason for divorce but often it can lead to one when the two can't learn to get along and try to make the other one happy.

And FYI...gender doesn't seem to be a condition for who is the spender or saver... despite what my FIL and father says. (They claim it's always her fault)

 

[1ofthem]

I don't know the reason but so often in a marriage one person will be a spender and one person a saver of money...no idea why it is...just that I've heard this a lot over the years.

It's not a sufficient reason for divorce but often it can lead to one when the two can't learn to get along and try to make the other one happy.

And FYI...gender doesn't seem to be a condition for who is the spender or saver... despite what my FIL and father says. (They claim it's always her fault)

I'm not saying that it constitutes getting a divorce or that it is always and only men that have this problem. I'm just asking if anyone thinks that a woman should just go along with it, submit and be obedient, and not even question a man in this or any other area in which he may be making poor decisions.

 

[SophieT]

I'm not saying that it constitutes getting a divorce or that it is always and only men that have this problem. I'm just asking if anyone thinks that a woman should just go along with it, submit and be obedient, and not even question a man in this or any other area in which he may be making poor decisions.

depends if she likes living on the street or not

 

[JohnDB]

I'm not saying that it constitutes getting a divorce or that it is always and only men that have this problem. I'm just asking if anyone thinks that a woman should just go along with it, submit and be obedient, and not even question a man in this or any other area in which he may be making poor decisions.

Of course not...
Of course she is supposed to say something and try to get him to see reason...and of course remind him of every instance he did the wrong thing the whole time that she has known him...(as is usually the custom)

And yes, I'm being facetious with my answer. It's just that I've been married successfully for a very long time and know how this usually works.

I depend on my wife for telling me things that I don't necessarily want to hear...and she does the same. Both of us have our strengths... ignoring those talents is like hiring a lawyer but not letting him talk to the judge.

 

[kaylagrl]

The Bible tells believers to submit to one another, wives to submit to husbands, children to (obey) parents, servants to (obey) masters. It tells us who is to submit to whom in this case. Wives submitting to husbands is specifically emphasized. The words 'obey' and 'obeyed' are used. The Bible says the husband is the head of the wife.

Head of, not Lord of. Let's make this clear. This can be taken in an extreme direction. Men here talk a lot about feminism and it's influence, I'm not for feminism. On the other side of the coin there are men who haven't grown up in Christ, and while you may treat your wife with honor and love, we have men who do not do that and claim to be Christians. Mature men in Christ, like yourself, ought to be as quick to correct them as they are women they think are out of line.

Here's an example. We had a single young lady in our church. She was a singer, she had many talents, she was sweet, humorous and outgoing. She met a guy from a non- denominational college somewhere in Maine I believe, she attended. She came back with her husband and my parents invited them to supper one evening. I was in my teens. Audra walked in behind her husband and didn't say a word. She let her husband do almost all of the talking. She was dressed like an 80 yr. old woman. It was like she was a complete stranger. We sat to eat and she sat, quiet as a mouse, as her husband bragged on himself. My mother noticed she wasn't eating and she said she wasn't allowed to eat unless the food was passed to her, she wasn't allowed to reach for food. She was meek, totally different from her former self, quietly listening to her husband talk. We didn't see her again until years later, she divorced him and was singing in a bar, she had left the church. I say again, there is a difference between "head" and "Lord".

 

[tourist]

depends if she likes living on the street or not

I would prefer under an overpass but that's just me.

 

[SophieT]

I would prefer under an overpass but that's just me.

well it seems under an overpass is quite popular actually

especially if you are crossing the border illegally

 

[Mem]

No it hasn't become apparent. I've quoted scripture, paraphrased scripture. I made a mistake and said children are supposed to obey their master, instead of parents. But I didn't say men are supposed to treat wives as slaves.

I said, as scripture teaches, that wives are supposed to submit to their husbands. The Bible indicates women are supposed to obey their husbands as well. I also pointed out that husbands are supposed to love their wives as Christ loved the church.

I don't treat my wife as a slave. If any of you knew my wife, you would think that is a rather ridiculous accusation to make.

You should consider that you may just not appreciate the teaching of scripture, and when you read or hear about it, maybe you associate it with female slavery. You should consider that the problem may just be in your own mind.

You must have taken special effort in learning how to submit to your husband since you have taught your wife the technique so skillfully.

 

[presidente]

You must have taken special effort in learning how to submit to your husband since you have taught your wife the technique so skillfully.

This post seems gender confused a bit.

 

[Lafftur]

I see obedience demanded in a woman throughout the Bible. It is in the Qur'an Surah 4:34. Do these works call for absolute obedience, or is there a burden on the male also to not be overbearing and mean?

What does LOVE do? Obedience is evidence of LOVE.

It is our flesh/carnal nature that rebels against obedience…it wants it’s own way…and masters have obligations to their servants too but, they also rebel against obedience to their obligations as leaders…

So again, I ask… What does LOVE do? If we focus on LOVE…and do what LOVE would do…now…we are walking by love and showing WHO our Father is.

Husbands and wives…just do what LOVE would do.

Masters and servants…just do what LOVE would do.

Leadership and people…just do what LOVE would do.

Christ and His Bride…just do what love would do.

 

[proverbs35]

I don't disagree with the content of your post in general, but men do have the bigger responsibility

women are not called the priest of the home

nor have they ever been priests according to scripture

I understand. We may not agree on every point, and that is okay.

So much of what we think about gender roles is socially constructed rather than emphatically stated in scripture, so I am always searching the scripture to see if what we are being told about gender roles is true. This is what the Bereans did in Acts 17:11.

I was raised up in an Apostolic church, so I'm familiar with the idea that the husband is priest of the home.

But what verse tells us that the husband is priest of the home?

You said, "Women have never been priests according to scripture."

I would agree that in the Old Testament, the Israeli priests were a group of qualified MEN from within the tribe of Levites.

What does the New Testament say about the priesthood?

Just food for thought.

 

[Lafftur]

Human reasoning over authority is futile…just keeps us focused on the physical realm. The battle is in the spiritual realm.

May the Spirit of Elijah come and turn the hearts of the fathers toward the children and the hearts of the children towards the fathers…

May Godly authority and leadership take its rightful place in the Body of Christ and those under the authority and leadership take their rightful place in the Body of Christ…

May we all repent and come under Godly authority and walk according to God’s Love which is the fulfillment of His Word so that the Sons of God manifest in the Earth and the world knows that the Kingdom of God is in their midst…

Selah…in the Mighty and Awesome Name of Jesus Christ, amen.

 

[Mem]

This post seems gender confused a bit.

I'm not the one who has taken upon myself to teach men how to love their wives, although I notice how very rarely such threads materialize.

 

[Lafftur]

Human reasoning over authority is futile…just keeps us focused on the physical realm. The battle is in the spiritual realm.

May the Spirit of Elijah come and turn the hearts of the fathers toward the children and the hearts of the children towards the fathers…

May Godly authority and leadership take its rightful place in the Body of Christ and those under the authority and leadership take their rightful place in the Body of Christ…

May we all repent and come under Godly authority and walk according to God’s Love which is the fulfillment of His Word so that the Sons of God manifest in the Earth and the world knows that the Kingdom of God is in their midst…

Selah…in the Mighty and Awesome Name of Jesus Christ, amen.

Establishing Godly authority is NOT a physical battle, it is a spiritual battle and this is how the Sons of God prepare for spiritual war….

 

[proverbs35]

I'm not the one who has taken upon myself to teach men how to love their wives, although I notice how very rarely such threads materialize.

Those threads are rare to nonexistent.

 

[presidente]

I'm not the one who has taken upon myself to teach men how to love their wives, although I notice how very rarely such threads materialize.

Feel free to start a thread on the topic if you would like to. If you focus on a specific aspect of the question of how men are to love their wives, it might be more successful.

 

[Webers.Home]

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No matter whether a thread is devoted to men loving their wives, or to
women obeying their husbands, it will become a food fight because of the
natural rivalry between the sexes.

Marriage is a difficult topic because when it comes to relationships, even
Christian people, of all ages, find it just about nigh impossible to be objective
instead of defensive.
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[TheIndianGirl]

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No matter whether a thread is devoted to men loving their wives, or to
women obeying their husbands, it will become a food fight because of the
natural rivalry between the sexes.

Marriage is a difficult topic because when it comes to relationships, even
Christian people, of all ages, find it just about nigh impossible to be objective
instead of defensive.
_

I think all this goes back to power and control, which is different from natural rivalry. What if the husband wants the wife to take the vaccine, but she doesn't want it? It is part of human nature not to be controlled, man or woman.