O.T. Circumcision a foreshadow of N.T. Water Baptism
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In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).
In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
When one believes in Jesus they will partake of God's grace and receive remission of their sins through their obedience to the entire salvation message given first on the Day of Pentecost; repentance, water and Holy Ghost baptism. Regardless of the sequence all elements must be pursued and grasped. If they were not necessary the Word would not include the message.
So was Abraham credited with righteousness before or after he was circumcised?
Romans 4:9-12
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
Romans 4:9-12
Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
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Your argument in regards to Acts 2:38 is not in harmony with (Luke 24:47; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) or numerous other passages of scripture that make it clear we are saved when we believe/place faith in Jesus Christ for salvation "apart from additions or modifications" (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 1:16; 13:39; Romans 3:22-28; 4:5-6; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Ephesians 2:8,9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).
It sounds to me like perhaps you are having a difficult time seeing anything beyond your church indoctrination.
It sounds to me like perhaps you are having a difficult time seeing anything beyond your church indoctrination.
Before. I believe this indicated that Gentiles would be included in God's plan of redemption as well as the Jews. Jews in the OT had to believe in the coming Messiah and obey the command to be circumcised. The Gentiles had to believe Jesus actually came and fulfilled God's plan and be obedient to the command to submit to water baptism.
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Your argument in regards to Acts 2:38 is not in harmony with (Luke 24:47; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18) or numerous other passages of scripture that make it clear we are saved when we believe/place faith in Jesus Christ for salvation "apart from additions or modifications" (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 1:16; 13:39; Romans 3:22-28; 4:5-6; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Ephesians 2:8,9; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).
It sounds to me like perhaps you are having a difficult time seeing anything beyond your church indoctrination.
It sounds to me like perhaps you are having a difficult time seeing anything beyond your church indoctrination.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith." Rom 1:16-17
One step of faith is followed by another step, and so on:
We believe that Jesus died was buried and resurrected after completing the sacrificial work on the cross.
We see the command to repent of our sins and believe it and do it.
We see the command to be water baptized in Jesus name and believe it and we do it.
We see the command to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and believe it so we ask God for and receive it; either through someone laying hands upon us, or poured out upon us spontaneously.
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He was cut off from his people because he did not obey the national law. Which had to be completed to be part of the blessing which came from being a chosen nation
it does nto say he lost his salvation.
Again, it was a national law. Not a salvic law. The people of Ninevah did nto get circumcised to be saved.
it does nto say he lost his salvation.
Again, it was a national law. Not a salvic law. The people of Ninevah did nto get circumcised to be saved.
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The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).
Those who believe the gospel have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe the gospel. Water baptism "follows" repentance/faith/receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit/conversion. (Acts 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9 etc..)
To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. The gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works (including water baptism) to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
The just (those who have been already saved through faith in Christ) afterwards live by or "out of" faith. We walk by faith and not by sight. (2 Corinthians 5:7) The Christian life is conducted by or "out of" faith. It is a step by step continuation in our spiritual walk with the Lord. We are not commanded to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and is we can magically receive it through the laying on of hands at will. The receiving of the Holy Spirit is God's work and we receive the Holy Spirit when we believe the gospel. (Ephesians 1:13-14)
Those who believe the gospel have already repented in the process of changing their mind and choosing to believe the gospel. Water baptism "follows" repentance/faith/receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit/conversion. (Acts 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9 etc..)
To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. The gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works (including water baptism) to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
The just (those who have been already saved through faith in Christ) afterwards live by or "out of" faith. We walk by faith and not by sight. (2 Corinthians 5:7) The Christian life is conducted by or "out of" faith. It is a step by step continuation in our spiritual walk with the Lord. We are not commanded to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and is we can magically receive it through the laying on of hands at will. The receiving of the Holy Spirit is God's work and we receive the Holy Spirit when we believe the gospel. (Ephesians 1:13-14)
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The bible simply does not bear out your opinion.
God's Word lays out His plan. We are to obey God's plan through belief in Jesus our Savior, repentance, water and Holy Ghost baptism. After the foundation is laid we are to wholeheartedly pursue God's ways.
Jesus Himself said:
"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matt 12:50
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matt 7:21) Jesus goes on to express the importance of laying a proper foundation. (Matt 7:24-27)
God's Word lays out His plan. We are to obey God's plan through belief in Jesus our Savior, repentance, water and Holy Ghost baptism. After the foundation is laid we are to wholeheartedly pursue God's ways.
Jesus Himself said:
"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." Matt 12:50
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matt 7:21) Jesus goes on to express the importance of laying a proper foundation. (Matt 7:24-27)
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The scripture quoted states that the GOSPEL is revealed from faith to faith. (Rom 1:16-17 ) Paul states that the Gospel is the death, burial and resurrection and not all have OBEYED (Not heard) the gospel. Paul says that faith for OBEYING the gospel comes from hearing the Word of God. (Rom 10:16-17)
How does one OBEY the gospel? The Word tells us:
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."Rom 6:3-4
"And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened (made alive) together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" Col 2:10-14
How does one OBEY the gospel? The Word tells us:
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."Rom 6:3-4
"And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened (made alive) together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" Col 2:10-14
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No, one does not obey the gospel by getting water baptized and you confuse the picture (water baptism) with the reality (Spirit baptism). The gospel is not water baptized or condemned. Do you attend the church of Christ or the Mormon church?
In Romans 10:16, we read: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" We can clearly see that we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16) *Refusing to obey the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8) is refusing to believe the gospel by refusing to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation. The apostle Paul explains why people don't believe the gospel in (2 Corinthians 4:3,4).
We get water baptized AFTER we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Acts 10:43-47). Water baptism is merely the PICTURE of being buried and raised with Christ (Romans 6:3-5; Colossians 2:11-12) and circumcision of the heart/Spirit baptism is the reality (Romans 2:29; 1 Corinthians 12:13).
In Romans 10:16, we read: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" We can clearly see that we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16) *Refusing to obey the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8) is refusing to believe the gospel by refusing to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation. The apostle Paul explains why people don't believe the gospel in (2 Corinthians 4:3,4).
We get water baptized AFTER we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Acts 10:43-47). Water baptism is merely the PICTURE of being buried and raised with Christ (Romans 6:3-5; Colossians 2:11-12) and circumcision of the heart/Spirit baptism is the reality (Romans 2:29; 1 Corinthians 12:13).
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If true, Paul would not have asked the disciples if they had received the Holy Ghost since they believed:
"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Acts 19:2-6
Notice Paul also gave additional instruction to the disciples in this encounter. Paul said they had to submit to another water baptism because evidently John the Baptist water baptism was not sufficient. They were re-baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and he laid hands upon them and they received the Holy Ghost baptism as well.
"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Acts 19:2-6
Notice Paul also gave additional instruction to the disciples in this encounter. Paul said they had to submit to another water baptism because evidently John the Baptist water baptism was not sufficient. They were re-baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and he laid hands upon them and they received the Holy Ghost baptism as well.
No, one does not obey the gospel by getting water baptized and you confuse the picture (water baptism) with the reality (Spirit baptism). The gospel is not water baptized or condemned. Do you attend the church of Christ or the Mormon church?
In Romans 10:16, we read: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" We can clearly see that we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16) *Refusing to obey the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8) is refusing to believe the gospel by refusing to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation. The apostle Paul explains why people don't believe the gospel in (2 Corinthians 4:3,4).
We get water baptized AFTER we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Acts 10:43-47). Water baptism is merely the PICTURE of being buried and raised with Christ (Romans 6:3-5; Colossians 2:11-12) and circumcision of the heart/Spirit baptism is the reality (Romans 2:29; 1 Corinthians 12:13).
In Romans 10:16, we read: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" We can clearly see that we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16) *Refusing to obey the gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:8) is refusing to believe the gospel by refusing to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation. The apostle Paul explains why people don't believe the gospel in (2 Corinthians 4:3,4).
We get water baptized AFTER we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Acts 10:43-47). Water baptism is merely the PICTURE of being buried and raised with Christ (Romans 6:3-5; Colossians 2:11-12) and circumcision of the heart/Spirit baptism is the reality (Romans 2:29; 1 Corinthians 12:13).