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Got to say, you accuse everyone of being a works salvationist when 99% of those
I read and meet are not.
You have a kind of works hunter mentality, and condemn anything you regard as saying
Christ + works, which just is totally provocative and wrong.
So I would hope based on your behaviour and attitude you find a nice cell to be happy
with, because you will soon destroy each other, finding some other issue to out someone
about, lol.
I read and meet are not.
You have a kind of works hunter mentality, and condemn anything you regard as saying
Christ + works, which just is totally provocative and wrong.
So I would hope based on your behaviour and attitude you find a nice cell to be happy
with, because you will soon destroy each other, finding some other issue to out someone
about, lol.
God told Cain that if he done well he would be accepted.....remember the sacrifices pointed forward to Jesus...that is why Abel's was accepted....it was of blood and a lamb without blemish or spot....Cain, by offering his works was in essence saying that what Christ will do will not be good enough...it needed to be embellished by human effort and merit....the "workers for" are no different....by saying one must do works to gain or keep salvation they are saying the finished work of Christ is not sufficient....Galatians is clear...to add works to faith = a false gospel with no power to save, one that is double cursed...end of the story!
Brother, the FAITH-ONLY based believers will reject any teaching that teaches "Faith and Works" go hand in hand, even rejecting the very Scriptures that teaches that.
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DiscipleDave
By this statement, it would indicate you believe a person can lose their Salvation. Aren't you a OSAS believer?
All this is True, and has nothing to do with those who believe Faith ONLY is enough.
And yet Scriptures teach it requires both. You are saying it does not, but Scriptures teach that is does. So should i believe you which believes a few verses, or believe all the verses in the Bible.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
According to this inspired by God verses, which you seem to make void solely based on the few verses that you hold on to, Who does Jesus dwell in? Who dwells in Jesus? Those who keep His commandments, and what are His Commandments according to these inspired by God verses? Those who believe in Jesus (Faith) AND Love One Another (Works). So then how am i wrong by saying the exact same thing as these inspired by God verses. That those who dwell in Jesus WILL have Faith and Works TOGETHER, exactly as these verses plainly teach, but this generation totally ignores. And why does this generation ignore these verses, because they believe FAITH is All that is required for Salvation, and therefore reject any verses which teach otherwise, like the verses above, which plainly teach those who dwell in Jesus will have Faith and Works together. Woe to everyone who pick and choose which verses they will believe and which ones they will reject, make void, or interpret to mean something other than what it actually says.
i have not said otherwise. Faith ALONE saves a person, that is True. And once a person is Saved, then Faith and Works prevents that person from being blotted out of the Book of Life. How many times do i have to say, there is a difference from Getting Saved, and Being Saved. Faith only saves a person. Faith and Works go hand in hand once a person is SAVED.
Again, that is True, in Getting Saved. But once a person has received the free gift of Salvation, Faith and Works go hand in hand. This is what Scriptures teach, end of story.
So then we are in agreement, yes? After a person is Saved, they WILL have Works, because of Jesus living inside them, is this not what i have been saying all along, to which you disagree?
Brother is it so hard to quote what it is you are responding to?
No clue as to what you are referring to here. You did not quote what i said. An apple tree sprouts from seen and is ALIVE as an apple tree, This is True, have i said differently somewhere? You say "and AFTER a few years of GROWTH and MATURITY produce fruit", i agree, have i said differently somewhere?
You say "go learn that lesson and quit lying so much and misrepresenting the truth of what is actually said" If i have lied about something then quote what i have said that you think is a lie. If i have misrepresented something, then quote what i said that you think is misrepresenting the Truth. Thanks.
You say "by your own doctrine you prove that you are not saved and or have lost it a million times....." Are you now a judge who is Saved and who is not Saved? If you say my doctrine proves that i am not saved, then quote the doctrine that i have said that Proves i am not Saved. i teach "Love One Another", "Start obeying Jesus ONLY", "Stop obeying Satan", "Go, Sin no more", "Faith and Works go hand in hand". Which of these things are you referring to, that i am not saved? Or do you think that because what you believe to be the Truth contradicts what i teach?
You say " or have lost it a million times....."
You need to make up your mind. If you don't believe a person can lose their Salvation after getting Saved, then how are you now referencing that i have lost mine a million times? Are you now saying a person can lose their Salvation?
Where have i demonstrated that i am full of myself? You accuse this thing of me, yet show no evidence to support such a claim. If i have done this thing that you accuse me of, then reveal it. If you can't reveal it, then how is that not falsely judging me?
i always QUOTE to that which i am replying. If then i have misrepresented the truth in some way, can't you likewise do the same? Quote what i have said that you think is misrepresenting the Truth. Thanks.
And you think i am false, yet you have not shown one Scripture which proves that. Is it not True, that you think i am a false prophet, because what i teach does not line up with what dcontroversal thinks is the TRUTH? Thank God the spirits are not tried by dcontroversal, or DiscipleDave for that matter. The Spirits are tried via the Word of God, the Holy Inspired Scriptures. If a voice tells a person to do [A] you try the Spirits by comparing what the voice said to the Word of God, to the Inspired Holy Scriptures, NOT according to what people say or think. We try the spirits by and through the Word of God, not Try the Spirits through what people believe is the Truth.
So dcontroversal, if you think i am false, then show any Scripture, any verse, that i have taught something contrary? Any verse will do. But you see, you have judged me to be false, because that is what dcontroveral believes and NOT what any Scriptures teach. i know who i am, and what God made me. If i were to say i am not a prophet, i am then a LIAR. And deny what God made me.
He has spoken to me, He doesn't presently, He has not spoken to me since 1994. Tell me something. Does God speak to people directly? Is there any evidence in Scriptures where God has spoken to people? If then it is a well known FACT that God does speak to people directly. And He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. How do you know that God did not speak to me directly? What is the basis of your belief that He did not speak to me, as i testify that He did? Has Anything that He has told me, which i have told you, is unbiblical? Seriously, if you believe God did not speak to me, then reveal your basis for that, What have i said that makes you believe God did not speak to me? What have i said that contradicts even one verse in all of Scriptures? Is it not True, that you do not believe God spoke to me, solely because what i teach YOU do not agree with, and therefore because it does not line up with YOU, i must be false, is that not correct? If it isn't then show what i have said that reveals God did not speak to me.
You accuse me, of not reading posts, and yet the speck is still in your eyes. i have never said that it is me who will condemn anyone, yet you continually accuse me of saying that, even after i have repeatedly told you otherwise, but for some reason the voice is still telling you that is what i was saying, and therefore won't listen to the Truth.
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DiscipleDave
And your reason for bringing this up?
i do not recall saying that anywhere. Please quote what i actually said, thanks.
Please quote what i actually said. A single person stranded on an island is less likely to sin as much as a person who lives in a city. i am not saying nor suggesting, they are not tempted. satan will tempt a person stranded on that island to commit sin also, only saying there is not much he is going to be tempted by, if there is NOTHING there to tempt him, NO TV, NO people, NO drugs, NO alcohol, Much less temptations. Please quote what i actually said. Thanks.
Please start a thread on this topic if you would like to discuss it. This Thread pertains to Works.
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DiscipleDave
i do not recall saying that anywhere. Please quote what i actually said, thanks.
Please quote what i actually said. A single person stranded on an island is less likely to sin as much as a person who lives in a city. i am not saying nor suggesting, they are not tempted. satan will tempt a person stranded on that island to commit sin also, only saying there is not much he is going to be tempted by, if there is NOTHING there to tempt him, NO TV, NO people, NO drugs, NO alcohol, Much less temptations. Please quote what i actually said. Thanks.
Please start a thread on this topic if you would like to discuss it. This Thread pertains to Works.
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DiscipleDave
Nothing you say carries any weight....you have already disqualified yourself in the past by claiming that JESUS would acknowledge you by your screen name on CC and use your words to judge the people who post on this site.....
so......really we have nothing to discuss....a man who claims to be a prophet.....and states the above about your CC name and Jesus referencing you on the day of judgment.....disqualifies anything you have to say and or your view man....
not happening!
so......really we have nothing to discuss....a man who claims to be a prophet.....and states the above about your CC name and Jesus referencing you on the day of judgment.....disqualifies anything you have to say and or your view man....
not happening!
Christ finished work is what Gets a person SAVED. It is the Grace of God that GETS A PERSON SAVED. It is a Free Gift of God, no works at all required for a person to GET SAVED. Now that we all are on the same page, and agree together on those things. Let us go on to what a person MUST do once they ARE SAVED. There is a difference, and this generation refuses to see that.
Get SAVED: Free Gift, by Grace, Faith ONLY, No works needed or required. (We all agree on this)
ONCE you ARE SAVED: Faith and Works required (This generation refuses to believe this)
Jesus Christ COMMANDED us to "Love One Another". Jesus Christ Commanded us Christians to have Works (LOVE ONE ANOTHER) This generation is so stuck on the Getting Saved verses, they altogether ignore all verses which teach what a person MUST DO once they ARE SAVED. They fail miserably to see and understand that Truth. Is it not written to be DOERS of the Word. If then we are instructed to be DOERS of the Word, how is that NOT being instructed to have WORKS. If the Word says and teaches to feed the hungry, If you are a DOER of the Word and not a hearer ONLY, You WILL have Works. Woe to those who who rely on their Faith only, and are NOT Doers of the Word of God, but indeed are only hearers. they are deceived, not knowing the TRUTH, but believing the false doctrines that are overflowing in this generations, easy Christianity.
You say the exact same thing as i did above, and yet you say that i am adding to His finished work of faith.
You said i said How have i said anything different than what you just said. i have not added to His finished work. But agree with you as to what it takes for a person be Be SAVED. Now if you want to discuss what a Christian is to do After they have recieved Jesus Christ and His Finished work, then read the next statement i said above.
This belief is flawed. Answer me this. IF a person HATES his brother, is he/she Saved?
NOT according to Scriptures:
1Jn_2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jn_2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1Jn_3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jn_4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
So it does not matter how you GOT SAVED, or When you GOT SAVED, it doesn't matter if you accepted the free Gift of God and GOT SAVED by Faith through Grace, it doesn't matter if you accepted the finished work that Jesus did for you on the cross when you GOT SAVED, if you for some reason NOW hate someone, you will NOT negate, or make void the above inspired by God verses, just because you THINK you are, and always will be, SAVED. These verses specifically teach otherwise, and it does not matter if you GOT SAVED in the past. Just because you GET SAVED, does NOT negate Scriptures. If you claim to be Saved, and hate someone, you will not enter into Heaven, according to the above verses. If you hate someone, because they did something to you or your family, and you can't forgiven them, according to Scripture, the Father in Heaven will NOT Forgive you of your trespasses. Whether you claim to be Saved, is not going to negate that verse in Scriptures.
Mat_6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mat_18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Luk_6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: (What? this generation thinks the finished work of Christ forgave of all their sins, past, present, and future, yet this verse is teaching in order for them to be forgiven, THEY MUST forgive others, wait what? This generation better wake up)
True, yet this generation believes that Gift of Grace is given repeatedly over and over again, as if they recieve that free Gift on a daily basis. That is not scriptural. The Free Gift is given ONCE. The Gift of Salvation is given ONCE to a person on a particular day that they believe and accept Him as their Savior and Lord, that happens ONCE. Jesus went to the cross ONCE for that person, NOT every day. Jesus took stripes and paid for the past sins of that person ONCE, NOT every single day. This generation fails to see the difference between {Getting Saved} and {Being Saved} which are two entirely different things. Anyone can get SAVED, no works required at all. But being SAVED, you better be OBEYING Jesus Christ which COMMANDED us Christians to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Better be DOERS of the Word, Better be walking in the Light, Better NOT be living in sin. Scriptures plainly teach Awake to righteousness and sin not. But you see this generation makes that verse void, because they say His Righteousness covers us, we don't need to stop sinning because we are righteous, through Jesus Christ, then they will go about to show the verses which teach we are righteous in Him, and through Him, altogether ignoring, and making void all the other verses which teach to no longer obey the flesh and its desires, to put off the old man and his deeds, to get rid of the sin that so easily besets them, and hundreds of other verses which teach what a CHRISTIAN MUST DO now that they are Saved. Woe to this generation indeed.
Does God make mistakes? When the Holy Spirit of Truth was putting words into the Apostles minds to write what they did, Did the Holy Ghost make errors?
Rom_3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God;
What this generation sees when they read the same verse:
Rom_3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, present, and future, through the forbearance of God;
Did the Holy Spirit of God FORGET to put that in there, or is that what this generation ADDS to the Scriptures so as to continue to live in sins, and not ceasing from them?
This is my point. Anyone can claim they are Saved, they are Redeemed. The PROOF is in their works. For their Works proves what is in their hearts. How many people in this generation claim to be SAVED, yet have NO Works at all? That proves who is in them. Those who Truly have Jesus in them, WILL have good works, because LOVE lives inside of them. they WILL Love One Another, as all Christians are Commanded to do. The Lord COMMANDS YOU to Love One Another, woe to this generation who thinks believing is enough and they do not need any works. Their lack of works PROVES who is in their heart. Is it not written out what comes out of the heart is where your treasure is. If Jesus were indeed your treasure in your heart, you would be overflowing with Good works, you will be full of LOVE, and will Love One Another, that is the TRUTH. This is a generation which claims with their mouths they are SAVED, and Jesus is their Lord, yet they do not obey Him, they do not Love One Another, as their LORD and SAVIOR Commanded them to do. NO, they love the false doctrines that teach Faith ONLY, Faith is enough, don't need to do righteous things, because Jesus is righteousness for us. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth, and not only my name, but Many others names will be brought to your remembrance, when Jesus reveals to you all those who have told you the TRUTH, and you refused it, outright. Weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The things that accompany Salvation, is what i teach. Getting SAVED and the things that accompany those who Got Saved are two different things.
Getting Saved are all those who received seed by the Wayside, remaining Saved depends on the soil in which the seed falls. read the parable.
garee, please note all this was in response to what you said, not directed to you or about you.
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DiscipleDave
Get SAVED: Free Gift, by Grace, Faith ONLY, No works needed or required. (We all agree on this)
ONCE you ARE SAVED: Faith and Works required (This generation refuses to believe this)
Jesus Christ COMMANDED us to "Love One Another". Jesus Christ Commanded us Christians to have Works (LOVE ONE ANOTHER) This generation is so stuck on the Getting Saved verses, they altogether ignore all verses which teach what a person MUST DO once they ARE SAVED. They fail miserably to see and understand that Truth. Is it not written to be DOERS of the Word. If then we are instructed to be DOERS of the Word, how is that NOT being instructed to have WORKS. If the Word says and teaches to feed the hungry, If you are a DOER of the Word and not a hearer ONLY, You WILL have Works. Woe to those who who rely on their Faith only, and are NOT Doers of the Word of God, but indeed are only hearers. they are deceived, not knowing the TRUTH, but believing the false doctrines that are overflowing in this generations, easy Christianity.
You say the exact same thing as i did above, and yet you say that i am adding to His finished work of faith.
You said i said How have i said anything different than what you just said. i have not added to His finished work. But agree with you as to what it takes for a person be Be SAVED. Now if you want to discuss what a Christian is to do After they have recieved Jesus Christ and His Finished work, then read the next statement i said above.
This belief is flawed. Answer me this. IF a person HATES his brother, is he/she Saved?
NOT according to Scriptures:
1Jn_2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jn_2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1Jn_3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jn_4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
So it does not matter how you GOT SAVED, or When you GOT SAVED, it doesn't matter if you accepted the free Gift of God and GOT SAVED by Faith through Grace, it doesn't matter if you accepted the finished work that Jesus did for you on the cross when you GOT SAVED, if you for some reason NOW hate someone, you will NOT negate, or make void the above inspired by God verses, just because you THINK you are, and always will be, SAVED. These verses specifically teach otherwise, and it does not matter if you GOT SAVED in the past. Just because you GET SAVED, does NOT negate Scriptures. If you claim to be Saved, and hate someone, you will not enter into Heaven, according to the above verses. If you hate someone, because they did something to you or your family, and you can't forgiven them, according to Scripture, the Father in Heaven will NOT Forgive you of your trespasses. Whether you claim to be Saved, is not going to negate that verse in Scriptures.
Mat_6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mat_18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Luk_6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: (What? this generation thinks the finished work of Christ forgave of all their sins, past, present, and future, yet this verse is teaching in order for them to be forgiven, THEY MUST forgive others, wait what? This generation better wake up)
True, yet this generation believes that Gift of Grace is given repeatedly over and over again, as if they recieve that free Gift on a daily basis. That is not scriptural. The Free Gift is given ONCE. The Gift of Salvation is given ONCE to a person on a particular day that they believe and accept Him as their Savior and Lord, that happens ONCE. Jesus went to the cross ONCE for that person, NOT every day. Jesus took stripes and paid for the past sins of that person ONCE, NOT every single day. This generation fails to see the difference between {Getting Saved} and {Being Saved} which are two entirely different things. Anyone can get SAVED, no works required at all. But being SAVED, you better be OBEYING Jesus Christ which COMMANDED us Christians to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Better be DOERS of the Word, Better be walking in the Light, Better NOT be living in sin. Scriptures plainly teach Awake to righteousness and sin not. But you see this generation makes that verse void, because they say His Righteousness covers us, we don't need to stop sinning because we are righteous, through Jesus Christ, then they will go about to show the verses which teach we are righteous in Him, and through Him, altogether ignoring, and making void all the other verses which teach to no longer obey the flesh and its desires, to put off the old man and his deeds, to get rid of the sin that so easily besets them, and hundreds of other verses which teach what a CHRISTIAN MUST DO now that they are Saved. Woe to this generation indeed.
Does God make mistakes? When the Holy Spirit of Truth was putting words into the Apostles minds to write what they did, Did the Holy Ghost make errors?
Rom_3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are PAST, through the forbearance of God;
What this generation sees when they read the same verse:
Rom_3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, present, and future, through the forbearance of God;
Did the Holy Spirit of God FORGET to put that in there, or is that what this generation ADDS to the Scriptures so as to continue to live in sins, and not ceasing from them?
This is my point. Anyone can claim they are Saved, they are Redeemed. The PROOF is in their works. For their Works proves what is in their hearts. How many people in this generation claim to be SAVED, yet have NO Works at all? That proves who is in them. Those who Truly have Jesus in them, WILL have good works, because LOVE lives inside of them. they WILL Love One Another, as all Christians are Commanded to do. The Lord COMMANDS YOU to Love One Another, woe to this generation who thinks believing is enough and they do not need any works. Their lack of works PROVES who is in their heart. Is it not written out what comes out of the heart is where your treasure is. If Jesus were indeed your treasure in your heart, you would be overflowing with Good works, you will be full of LOVE, and will Love One Another, that is the TRUTH. This is a generation which claims with their mouths they are SAVED, and Jesus is their Lord, yet they do not obey Him, they do not Love One Another, as their LORD and SAVIOR Commanded them to do. NO, they love the false doctrines that teach Faith ONLY, Faith is enough, don't need to do righteous things, because Jesus is righteousness for us. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth, and not only my name, but Many others names will be brought to your remembrance, when Jesus reveals to you all those who have told you the TRUTH, and you refused it, outright. Weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The things that accompany Salvation, is what i teach. Getting SAVED and the things that accompany those who Got Saved are two different things.
Getting Saved are all those who received seed by the Wayside, remaining Saved depends on the soil in which the seed falls. read the parable.
garee, please note all this was in response to what you said, not directed to you or about you.
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DiscipleDave
No one has denied this.....
FAITH and faith alone saves eternally
After a period of growth and maturity fruit will be produced...even if one piece
The fruit/works do not help one get saved and or keep one saved
EVEN a cup of cold water in the name of Jesus qualifies as fruit or works...............
WORKS are the result of salvation and do not complete salvation
Galatians 1, 3-->Faith plus works to finish salvation = a gospel of a different kind, no power to save and is double cursed....
FAITH and faith alone saves eternally
After a period of growth and maturity fruit will be produced...even if one piece
The fruit/works do not help one get saved and or keep one saved
EVEN a cup of cold water in the name of Jesus qualifies as fruit or works...............
WORKS are the result of salvation and do not complete salvation
Galatians 1, 3-->Faith plus works to finish salvation = a gospel of a different kind, no power to save and is double cursed....
I have no problem loving people....but like Jesus and Paul....I despise false teachers and false teaching that leads people to hell.....
Faith plus works = false gospel, no power to save and double cursed
Saying one can lose salvation is also false, denies verb tense, scripture in context, twists scripture out of context etc......
Sorry if you take words on a page and read in motive and emotion that is not there!
Faith plus works = false gospel, no power to save and double cursed
Saying one can lose salvation is also false, denies verb tense, scripture in context, twists scripture out of context etc......
Sorry if you take words on a page and read in motive and emotion that is not there!
So not only does John 832 deny the trinity, but he also denies that salvation is through faith in Christ alone and says we must be water baptized to be saved. Go figure. 
ONE BAPTISM - Ephesians 4:5 - See post #370
ONE BAPTISM - Ephesians 4:5 - See post #370
The verse plainly says one baptism. Who then is saying that ONE BAPTISM is a water baptism? Is it not this generation that teaches you must be water baptised in order to be Saved. What does Scriptures teach.
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
This verse clearly speaks of TWO different baptisms. The first by water, the second by the Holy Ghost. Which baptism is better? The one performed by man with water, or the One performed by Jesus, with the Holy Ghost?
So then when it says there is ONE baptism (for Salvation) which one do you think the Holy Scriptures is referring to? baptism by water (which is only symbolic for one being cleansed) or the baptism of the Holy Ghost (which changes a persons heart forever), you judge.
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DiscipleDave
Ooops! Wandered into yet another faith versus works thread.
And, I don't see anything different from all the other threads on CC. The same people, the same Scripture verses thrown back and forth, and the same arguments.
And yet, not one single person has changed their beliefs, nor probably their actions and behaviour.
I wish people would give it a rest, and move on from justification, and find some agreement in how we are sanctified! Which does entail both obedience and works that the Holy Spirit directs us to do.
And, I don't see anything different from all the other threads on CC. The same people, the same Scripture verses thrown back and forth, and the same arguments.
And yet, not one single person has changed their beliefs, nor probably their actions and behaviour.
I wish people would give it a rest, and move on from justification, and find some agreement in how we are sanctified! Which does entail both obedience and works that the Holy Spirit directs us to do.
So let me see if i understand you correctly in what you have just stated. If i DO what Jesus Commanded me to do (Love One Another and do a good work on somebody) then i have denied the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ and nullified the very grace of God that saves me. Is that what you are saying? If i obey Jesus, and DO GOOD WORKS (Love One Another) then i deny Jesus? Seriously?
i will tell you the meat of the TRUTH, those who deny Jesus, are they that deny Loving One Another. Do i say this, or does Scripture plainly teach that? Is it not written if you do it not to the least of these you do it not to ME? Yes that is written. So if you see a brother or sister in need of help, and you do NOT give it, when you are capably of giving it, how have you not Denied Jesus? that person is in need of help (the least is Jesus) you deny that help, you deny Jesus.
Oh if people would only believe Scriptures and what they teach, then they would see the Truth. If you do it not (works) to the least of these, you do it not to ME (Jesus Christ). If you do something (works) for someone, you do that something for Jesus Christ. Simple Truth, but this generation loves milk and will spew meat out, because it is meat and not milk which they love.
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DiscipleDave
i will tell you the meat of the TRUTH, those who deny Jesus, are they that deny Loving One Another. Do i say this, or does Scripture plainly teach that? Is it not written if you do it not to the least of these you do it not to ME? Yes that is written. So if you see a brother or sister in need of help, and you do NOT give it, when you are capably of giving it, how have you not Denied Jesus? that person is in need of help (the least is Jesus) you deny that help, you deny Jesus.
Oh if people would only believe Scriptures and what they teach, then they would see the Truth. If you do it not (works) to the least of these, you do it not to ME (Jesus Christ). If you do something (works) for someone, you do that something for Jesus Christ. Simple Truth, but this generation loves milk and will spew meat out, because it is meat and not milk which they love.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
When training a monkey scientists will have them do a difficult task to learn how to figure it out, the monkey will do the same thing over and over again however eventually he figures out that doing something different might change the outcome and boom the puzzle is solved. But we are evolved.......