Not By Works

[jackrosie]

Not at all. You don’t understand our position and think falsely about it.If you focused on theology it would be an improvement. So far you

Just for the record, I don’t loathe anyone. I don’t loathe anyone’s theology either. I’m sorry they focus so much on what they get from God and fight giving to Him.

What they get from God?

No idea what you mean?

 

[tourist]

You mentioned Jacob's Ladder. That may be more real than you know. I absolutely BELIEVE in the Rapture, no matter when it happens. I believe and call it The BRIDE of CHRIST is CALLED OUT, to go to the WEDDING of the LAMB, in the New City Jerusalem, in HEAVEN. And it says we will Reign with HIM as Priests, and our New Dwelling Place is IN THE NEW CITY JERUSALEM! While HE Reigns for a 1000 YEARS hear on Earth.

Has any one besides me ever wondered HOW WE WILL GET BACK AND FORTH AS PRIESTS during HIS MILLENNIAL KINGDOM ? ? ?

I learned back in the late 80's, one of the main reasons For Jacobs dream, was to convince us that GOD has created a WAY for us to be IN HEAVEN during our off Time, and On earth to TEACH as Priests, the MORTAL CHILDREN OF the 144,000. Whether it is a literal ladder or staircase, or some other way, like a Portal, GOD HAS HIS PLAN, and all we need is to TRUST HIM.

This is a very interesting perception.

 

[DorothyMae]

What they get from God?

No idea what you mean?

Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.

 

[VCO]

Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.

ABSOLUTE TRUTH!

No it isn’t and shouting doesn’t make your case stronger.

I told you before, I DO NOT GO BY FACE BOOK RULES. I have never had a face book account, and refuse to bow to their rules. ALL CAPITALS does not mean I am shouting, I am OLD SCHOOL, and it only means I am emphasizing a point. Same with COLORS. Just so you know, WE consider spreading lies and misunderstandings about our OSAS TRUE DOCTRINE, to be RUDE and IS LOATHING, in our opinion.

 

[star]

star said:
We don't judge the person's soul for that is up to God to do. However, we do and should judge the actions of a person, the words of a person, and most definitely the doctrine/preaching/leadership of any person on spiritual matters. There are false teachers, leaders, preachers and absolutely FALSE DOCTRINE.





one problem i see with this is we are not to Judge, no? "Judge not that you be not judged" also, how can we properly judge anyone anyway without knowing motives (only God knows?) tone of voice, attitutes (we can't necessarily see/hear these in chat).

also, how can we properly judge another man's doctrine as totally false when we don't know as God knows, but only dimly, "for now we see through a glass dimly.. but now we know in part" not in whole.

also, are we not open to learning more here, or are we forever closed in our minds to new revelation? we should all be open to learn more truth, or at least not totally closed to it, no?


all these things apply to all of us here.

I know this person and have know her for a very long time. You make your own mind up. As for me, I have already learned. If you see any problems with my posts, that is your problem.

 

[star]

I attack your dogma

And show me otherwise about your position... is is called "conditional security" correct?........ so what are the "conditions" that must be met?

... still waiting

She constantly runs down our belief in our secure salvation and constantly claims we do nothing after we are saved. She constantly claims OSAS (btw I'm satisficed with that) do nothing after for God and blah blah

 

[VCO]

I think, you mean............ they are not will to following their dogma to its logical conclusion.

Is there a statement where we are told to tolerate false gospels?

WOW, Sister in CHRIST, you just HIT THE NAIL SQUARE on the HEAD, WITH TOTAL FORCE. THANK YOU, FOR PROCLAIMING THE TRUTH.

We just started to study the BOOK OF JUDE in CHURCH SUNDAY. I am sure we will BE TAUGHT in the coming weeks, NOT TO TOLERATE FALSE DOCTRINE. The Modern Day Laodicean Church, is where they are taught all about being Tolerate of others beliefs. NOT IN THE CHURCH, we do not have to be like that. That is how false teaching becomes mixed with Absolute Truth. Yes I am an ultra Conservative.

 

[jackrosie]

Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.

You got that one wrong DorothyMae...as we can see by their response to your post.

I have no idea where you got that idea from...you don’t even know these people.

 

[BillG]

Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.

Can you lose yours?

If so why so?

 

[EleventhHour]

Their whole focus is the salvation they got and cannot lose.

Wrong

Our entire focus is ON Jesus and the salvation He gave us and cannot lose.

Thank you Jesus!

Sad you cannot give Him all Glory and Honour in such a statement because you do not believe it.

Sad indeed!!

 

[DorothyMae]

You got that one wrong DorothyMae...as we can see by their response to your post.

I have no idea where you got that idea from...you don’t even know these people.

I read their posts. I read the threads they start. I see it in the words they choose. I could write I don’t know why you don’t see it. it it wouldn’t be true. I do know why you don’t see it.

 

[DorothyMae]

Can you lose yours?

If so why so?

Do you think you can fall away from the faith?

 

[dcontroversal]

And once again if one reads Dottie's response to this, she has taken my words out of context, rearranged them to support her "being offended" by what I said. Her words are divisive to this thread.

Caustic..........to be exact!

 

[DorothyMae]

Wrong

Our entire focus is ON Jesus and the salvation He gave us and cannot lose.

Thank you Jesus!

Sad you cannot give Him all Glory and Honour in such a statement because you do not believe it.

Sad indeed!!

Exactly as I said. Jackrosie does not see that this one couldn’t write a sentence praising Jesus without mentioning what he got out of him. I rest my case!

 

[dcontroversal]

Do you think you can fall away from the faith?

Do you think Jesus is God and can finish what he started?

Do you think the gifts of GOD are irrevocable?

Do you understand eternal and everlasting do not mean temporary?

Do you underatand what KEPT By the power of God means?

Do you grasp what LOSE NOTHING MEANS?

Obviously not to the above questions!

 

[DorothyMae]

Caustic..........to be exact!

A judgement from the non-judgemental crowd.

 

[dcontroversal]

The problem is that there is an assumption that OSAS carries the connotations that those who believe in it use it as license to sin and sit on our ass and do nothing.

And for some reason it does not matter how many times you tell them that actually you do not believe this is the case. Everyone on this site that I know would never ever ever promote that position.

Then they tend to go to the extremes, to try and prove their point.

As they judge so they will be judged.

They accused Paul of the same thing....I really don't care....Eternal Security, OSAS etc....ALL one and the same.......!

 

[EleventhHour]

Exactly as I said. Jackrosie does not see that this one couldn’t write a sentence praising Jesus without mentioning what he got out of him. I rest my case!

That is right Jesus is our supply for salvation and unto good works something you have yet to grasp.

 

[dcontroversal]

We need to come up with a better acronym than OSAS.

It’s really Once Born Again, Always Born Again.

But OBAABA doesn’t have a nice ring to it .

Ummmmm....it is 556 Am in Au and I read that like the name of a FORMER PRESIDENT........I will stick with etwrnal security and even OSAS because I will not let these jokers and their false allegations and or dogma mold my usage of the terms I use.....

 

[jackrosie]

I read their posts. I read the threads they start. I see it in the words they choose. I could write I don’t know why you don’t see it. it it wouldn’t be true. I do know why you don’t see it.

You could say the same thing about you.....you are obsessed with NOSAS.