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Yes.
They doubt God loves them.
If so there must be a reason.
Unbelievers do not give two hoots, yet belivers can and do.
I am saddened by the many people that I have walked with that when i quote the verse that God loves them as much as he loves Jesus do not actually believe this.
If they do not believe it then there is a disconnect.
That disconnect can arise from many things, from never having a father to having a father who was harsh or absent.
Everyone that I walk with I always ask them "Do you know that God loves you as much as he loves Jesus, they say no.
But if I ask them "Do you know Jesus loves you" most say yes.
They doubt God loves them.
If so there must be a reason.
Unbelievers do not give two hoots, yet belivers can and do.
I am saddened by the many people that I have walked with that when i quote the verse that God loves them as much as he loves Jesus do not actually believe this.
If they do not believe it then there is a disconnect.
That disconnect can arise from many things, from never having a father to having a father who was harsh or absent.
Everyone that I walk with I always ask them "Do you know that God loves you as much as he loves Jesus, they say no.
But if I ask them "Do you know Jesus loves you" most say yes.
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Other option is to enlarge the screen, I wouldn't worry about it... I definitely have become less attentive to the details and my spelling is not always good... we can blame on the angst the naysayers cause us. 
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I had that bright moment in the middle of the night as something was rattling at my door and woke me.
I guess even an annoying raccoon at my door can serve a purpose..
I guess even an annoying raccoon at my door can serve a purpose..
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I have no raccoon to account for my staying up until 4:30 this morning
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I can send you some TO is over run...
And rats I love watching the eagles soar and sometimes be bombarded by pestering crows LOL
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I have no raccoon to account for my staying up until 4:30 this morning
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Maybe they sense something amiss in your take on the text. Could it be possible your take is incorrect and reading something into it not there nor intended? Perhaps this is the disconnect as well. I’d think it through a little more. Note John Gill:
"and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. The Oriental versions, the Syriac, Arabic, Persic, and Ethiopic, all read the words thus, "and I have loved them, as thou hast loved me"; contrary to all the Greek copies, and other versions, which read as we do. The Father loved Christ as his own Son, and as Mediator; so he loved him when he assumed human nature, and became obedient to his will both in doing and suffering; when his Father left him, and poured out his wrath upon him, and when he laid down his life for the sheep. The instances of his love to him as Mediator are, his putting all things into his hands, showing him all that he does, and concealing nothing from him, and appointing him the only Saviour, the head of the church, and Judge of the world. The nature of this love is, that it is from eternity; is a love of complacency and delight; it is special and peculiar, unchangeable and inseparable, and will last for ever: now God has loved his people, as he has loved his Son; he loves them not merely as creatures, as the descendants of Adam, or as considered in themselves, but as in Christ. The instances of his love to them are, his choosing them in Christ; making a covenant with them in him; the mission of him into this world, to obtain salvation for them; the quickening and calling of them by his grace; the care he takes of them afterwards in supplying their wants, supporting them under temptations, delivering them out of afflictions, and causing all things to work together for their good; to all which add the provisions he makes for them, both for time and eternity. The nature of this love is such as that he bears to Christ; it is from everlasting; a love of the utmost delight and pleasure; it is special and peculiar, unchangeable, and will continue for ever: there is not the same reason for his loving them as his Son; and this as must not be thought to denote equality, but similitude and order."
"and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. The Oriental versions, the Syriac, Arabic, Persic, and Ethiopic, all read the words thus, "and I have loved them, as thou hast loved me"; contrary to all the Greek copies, and other versions, which read as we do. The Father loved Christ as his own Son, and as Mediator; so he loved him when he assumed human nature, and became obedient to his will both in doing and suffering; when his Father left him, and poured out his wrath upon him, and when he laid down his life for the sheep. The instances of his love to him as Mediator are, his putting all things into his hands, showing him all that he does, and concealing nothing from him, and appointing him the only Saviour, the head of the church, and Judge of the world. The nature of this love is, that it is from eternity; is a love of complacency and delight; it is special and peculiar, unchangeable and inseparable, and will last for ever: now God has loved his people, as he has loved his Son; he loves them not merely as creatures, as the descendants of Adam, or as considered in themselves, but as in Christ. The instances of his love to them are, his choosing them in Christ; making a covenant with them in him; the mission of him into this world, to obtain salvation for them; the quickening and calling of them by his grace; the care he takes of them afterwards in supplying their wants, supporting them under temptations, delivering them out of afflictions, and causing all things to work together for their good; to all which add the provisions he makes for them, both for time and eternity. The nature of this love is such as that he bears to Christ; it is from everlasting; a love of the utmost delight and pleasure; it is special and peculiar, unchangeable, and will continue for ever: there is not the same reason for his loving them as his Son; and this as must not be thought to denote equality, but similitude and order."
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It could be possible that my take is incorrect but I think it is correct.
Just like you think it's not.
I do have some John Gill stuff in my library but not what you have quoted.
I am always open to be corrected but am happy to not be. If that's the case it means I'm settled in what I believe to be the truth. Just like you.
I am walking with a guy at the moment who is a believer. Baptised him.
Now he is really struggling.
Severe trauma from the past. Horrific sexual abuse from his step dad.
I never knew my dad, kicked out by mum and fostered into a Christian family only to suffer the same.
In his head the Bible tells him the God loves him because he is dirty and at fault.
I just want to reassure people like him that actually God really does love him.
Just like you think it's not.
I do have some John Gill stuff in my library but not what you have quoted.
I am always open to be corrected but am happy to not be. If that's the case it means I'm settled in what I believe to be the truth. Just like you.
I am walking with a guy at the moment who is a believer. Baptised him.
Now he is really struggling.
Severe trauma from the past. Horrific sexual abuse from his step dad.
I never knew my dad, kicked out by mum and fostered into a Christian family only to suffer the same.
In his head the Bible tells him the God loves him because he is dirty and at fault.
I just want to reassure people like him that actually God really does love him.
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