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I've been saying this all along.
They've not without hope because God is still giving them room to come back to Jesus.
But Hebrews 6:4-6 makes it clear that He will make it so they can't come back if they refuse Paul's plea.
Dan, they literally quit believing in Christ for justification.
You say that shows they were never saved to begin with.
The letter affirms that they were indeed very much saved.
You have to ignore these plain facts in order to continue to believe in your osas beliefs.
The Galatians prove the emboldened part wrong.
I can't just sweep away the plain record of the scriptures to believe what you say.
That's right, Peter did not go back to unbelief (like the Galatians did).
He's not even relevant to our discussion.
You're using the example of someone whose belief in Christ did not fail to prove that those whose belief in Christ did fail did not lose their salvation.
...if you keep believing.
Even your version of osas agrees with that.
This new osas that has replaced yours is far, far more opposed to your osas than even my non-osas is, yet you won't lift a finger to address it. That's telling me something, dan. I can't ignore that.
They've not without hope because God is still giving them room to come back to Jesus.
But Hebrews 6:4-6 makes it clear that He will make it so they can't come back if they refuse Paul's plea.
Dan, they literally quit believing in Christ for justification.
You say that shows they were never saved to begin with.
The letter affirms that they were indeed very much saved.
You have to ignore these plain facts in order to continue to believe in your osas beliefs.
The Galatians prove the emboldened part wrong.
I can't just sweep away the plain record of the scriptures to believe what you say.
That's right, Peter did not go back to unbelief (like the Galatians did).
He's not even relevant to our discussion.
You're using the example of someone whose belief in Christ did not fail to prove that those whose belief in Christ did fail did not lose their salvation.
...if you keep believing.
Even your version of osas agrees with that.
This new osas that has replaced yours is far, far more opposed to your osas than even my non-osas is, yet you won't lift a finger to address it. That's telling me something, dan. I can't ignore that.
It takes a lot more than vanity to come against your false gospel.
A salvation that can be lost is no salvation.
It does not exist.
Saved is saved
I prefer to be vain, if in fact I were, but am not, than teach a dogma completely contrary to scripture which makes Jesus and His work meaningless and place oneself as saviour instead.
Face it for what it is..but then that would require being honest
A salvation that can be lost is no salvation.
It does not exist.
Saved is saved
I prefer to be vain, if in fact I were, but am not, than teach a dogma completely contrary to scripture which makes Jesus and His work meaningless and place oneself as saviour instead.
Face it for what it is..but then that would require being honest
If a drowning man catches my rope and I begin pulling him in but halfway through he suddenly decides he'd rather die than live and lets go - according to your OSAS logic, he never had hold of the rope.
I'm trying to get you guys to put on your big boy/girls underwear and recognize that it is our daily responsibility to "abide in the Vine" or else wind up in the fire "but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved". (John 15:5-10 KJV; Matthew 12:13-14 KJV)
How can OSAS - which denies Conditional Salvation - not see that Jesus Himself right here plainly says salvation is on condition that we endure to the end?
How can OSAS - which denies Conditional Salvation - not see that Jesus Himself right here plainly says salvation is on condition that we endure to the end?
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