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You are WRONG AGAIN on 2. You do not become Born Again into the Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is doing the BAPTIZING, and HE immerses us into ONE BODY, the Spirutual Body of Jesus Christ.
I do not think you have yet to explain adequately what is BORN AGAIN in your own words, not my words, nor just quote scriptures.
1 Corinthians 12:12-13 (HCSB)
12 For as the body is one and has many parts, and all the parts of that body, though many, are one body—so also is Christ.
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body— (Even the their on the cross received this Baptism.)
whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
The Biblical record ends before we know if the Galatians came back to faith in Christ or not.
We only know what Paul told them, that they lose justification in Christ when they go back to the law for justification. He wouldn't have told them that if it is as you say that God does not take back an imputation of righteousness given to a person.
We only know what Paul told them, that they lose justification in Christ when they go back to the law for justification. He wouldn't have told them that if it is as you say that God does not take back an imputation of righteousness given to a person.
Then you are saying John and the author of Hebrews are telling us to retain what we first heard by effort--the effort you condemn as a 'works' gospel:
"24As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you." - 1 John 2:24
"let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." - Hebrews 4:14
And even if continuing in believing is an effort, what passage of scripture says 'believing' is somehow you working to save yourself?
If the 'effort' to first believe is not you trying to save yourself by works then neither is the 'effort' to continue in that exact same believing. But if you are sure John's, and Hebrew's admonition to retain the gospel message in faith to remain in the Son and the Father is 'works' surely there is a scripture that says that. Can you show me that passage?
"24As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you." - 1 John 2:24
"let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." - Hebrews 4:14
And even if continuing in believing is an effort, what passage of scripture says 'believing' is somehow you working to save yourself?
If the 'effort' to first believe is not you trying to save yourself by works then neither is the 'effort' to continue in that exact same believing. But if you are sure John's, and Hebrew's admonition to retain the gospel message in faith to remain in the Son and the Father is 'works' surely there is a scripture that says that. Can you show me that passage?
Colossians 1:21-23
And you, that were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet NOW HATH HE RECONCILED in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreprovable in his sight: IF YE CONTINUE IN THE FAITH grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel...
And you, that were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet NOW HATH HE RECONCILED in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreprovable in his sight: IF YE CONTINUE IN THE FAITH grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel...
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It will to some degree BUT how can one quantify and qualify such works and in fact those works and even deeper the reason for said works.
The problem and potential is to focus on the works of the flesh.
I sinned less today that's good. Fact is it's irrelevant.
I gave a beggar some money today. Fact is it's irrelevant.
I give money to a charity. Fact is it's irrelevant.
If focus on sin management then we lose the focus.
The focus is Jesus and the Holy Spirit who will help us to sin less.
To focus on sinning less to be accepted by God is irrelevant.
That was dealt with on the cross.
Sinning less does not increase Gods love and acceptance of us.
We are saved by faith alone.
The fact is why we do it.
This fact is "Love"
Agape love.
Such love is reciprocated between us and God and those who he has given us.
Peter had to move from Phileo to Agape. Poor boy. It must have been hard for him.
As it is for all of us.
It is progressive.
As our man says to whom you responded to concerning uninterrupted believe will manifest in works today, the issue is if it doesn't manifest today then what?
The problem and potential is to focus on the works of the flesh.
I sinned less today that's good. Fact is it's irrelevant.
I gave a beggar some money today. Fact is it's irrelevant.
I give money to a charity. Fact is it's irrelevant.
If focus on sin management then we lose the focus.
The focus is Jesus and the Holy Spirit who will help us to sin less.
To focus on sinning less to be accepted by God is irrelevant.
That was dealt with on the cross.
Sinning less does not increase Gods love and acceptance of us.
We are saved by faith alone.
The fact is why we do it.
This fact is "Love"
Agape love.
Such love is reciprocated between us and God and those who he has given us.
Peter had to move from Phileo to Agape. Poor boy. It must have been hard for him.
As it is for all of us.
It is progressive.
As our man says to whom you responded to concerning uninterrupted believe will manifest in works today, the issue is if it doesn't manifest today then what?
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That person will be cursed and burned:
"8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned." - Hebrews 6:8
Ultimately, in the end, no change of character, no new creation, means no new life through faith in Christ. In that same passage the author talks about the things that do accompany, or have to do with, salvation:
"9Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation. 10God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them." - Hebrews 6:9-10
Love for God expressed in love for others, particularly the church, is what ultimately accompanies genuine salvation. In the end, without it you are showing yourself to not love God and belong to Him.
"20 ...whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 ...Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister." - 1 John 4:20-21
"1 ...everyone who loves the father loves his child as well." - 1 John 5:1
"8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned." - Hebrews 6:8
Ultimately, in the end, no change of character, no new creation, means no new life through faith in Christ. In that same passage the author talks about the things that do accompany, or have to do with, salvation:
"9Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation. 10God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them." - Hebrews 6:9-10
Love for God expressed in love for others, particularly the church, is what ultimately accompanies genuine salvation. In the end, without it you are showing yourself to not love God and belong to Him.
"20 ...whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 ...Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister." - 1 John 4:20-21
"1 ...everyone who loves the father loves his child as well." - 1 John 5:1
