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EleventhHour

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blue_ladybug said:
I am sinless and perfect. That's because I love orange kitties and I drink coffee daily..

My salvation is safe for a year or so.. View attachment 212672
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Only if you keep faithing into that kitty and keep believing in its orangeness.

The coffee is actually inconsequential to salvation ..but if you feel it helps we won't stop you.
 
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Oh man... almost 130.000. posts... lol
Just came in to say that, how badly grace got contested so far.
People hate and fear grace, thinking it will somehow cause corruption and abuse, because they are unable to receive it. Because if they could receive it, they would also preach it.
 
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EleventhHour

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SoulWeaver said:
Oh man... almost 130.000. posts... lol
Just came in to say that, how badly grace got contested so far.
People hate and fear grace, thinking it will somehow cause corruption and abuse, because they are unable to receive it. Because if they could receive it, they would also preach it.
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They can't receive ....why......"me, myself and I" gets in the way each and every time!
 
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lightbearer said:
His Faith.

What Faith is Paul speaking of?

... Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above; Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (through Christ) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (through which the word is in the heart and mouth) is the end of the law (on tables of stone and parchment) for righteousness to every one that believeth. (Rom 9:31-32; 10:4-8)

As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

What if they choose not to believe, what if we refuse the faith that he imparts. To live in unbelief. Outside of the guidance of The word in our heart and mouth?

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
(Rom 11:20-22 KJV)


So if Faith is from Christ through the Word is in the heart and Mouth What is unbelief? Here is an excerpt from the BDAG in regards to the Greek word translated unbelief. Bold emphasis mine

ἀπιστία, ας, ἡ (s. ἀπιστέω; Hes., Hdt. et al.; LXX, Philo, Joseph.; Just.; Tat. 32, 2; Ath. R. 60, 15 al.; s. Mayser 11f, 130)
unwillingness to commit oneself to another or respond positively to the other’s words or actions, lack of belief, unbelief ....

lack of commitment to a relationship or pledge, unfaithfulness (X., An. 3, 2, 4 et al.; UPZ 18, 5 [163 B.C.]; Wsd 14:25; Philo, Spec. Leg. 2, 8, Decal. 172; Jos., Ant. 14, 349) Ro 3:3 (JGriffiths, ET 53, ’41, 118).—M-M. TW.

So unbelief is A lack of commitment, an unwillingness to commit oneself to another or respond positively to the other’s words, THE WORD IN THE HEART AND MOUTH through Christ. And because of this they were broken off, and WE standest by faith. So Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not US. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward US, goodness, if WE continue in his goodness: otherwise WE also shalt be cut off.
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HERE IS WHAT PAUL SAYS FAITH IS:

Romans 10:9-10 (ESV)
9 because, if you confess [not just profess from your human mind} with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart {human spirit} one believes {NOT THE HUMAN MIND} and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.


Your Human Spirit has to be Born Again into Eternal Life, and the decision to surrender to HIM out of LOVE, making HIM LORD or MASTER of your Life, is made in the Human Spirit, Not the Mind of man.


1 Corinthians 2:11-16 (CSBBible)
11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except his spirit within him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God.
13 We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people.
14 But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually.
15 The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, and yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone.
16 For who has known the Lord’s mind, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
 
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Some of us work and have responsibilities, perhaps you don't that you can continue on here at all times.
I admire @PennEd
,@mailmandan,and@VCO,who post as people of faith with love!
There are my brethren of faith that post the correct understanding of God,the Holy Spirit,the Word and how they work together.
@Judges,@ Rebuild the church,wokinluv,FollowHissteps,lightbearer, and others that have tried to show the correct process of the word of God applied to a believers life.
Others here are bullies,cowards,wimps,a harlot, and so indoctrinated that they are blind to TRUTH.
My sister @Leastamongmany came here in love to fellowship and share and learn of the word,but you people drove her away. Oh how powerful you must feel with your banning just bc you can't stand the TRUTH!
SHAME ON YOU!
There is nothing that imitates Christ Jesus here,it is dogma,drivel,conflated text,to negate what thus saith the Lord.
May you find mercy for your souls.
There will be a weiging in the balance,don't be found wanting.
Today is the day of your salvation and a time to repent.
I won't have to be banned for I'm sure the followers of dc will pounce on me,I go voluntarily .
 
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EleventhHour

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LordsHandmaiden said:
Some of us work and have responsibilities, perhaps you don't that you can continue on here at all times.
I admire @PennEd
,@mailmandan,and@VCO,who post as people of faith with love!
There are my brethren of faith that post the correct understanding of God,the Holy Spirit,the Word and how they work together.
@Judges,@ Rebuild the church,wokinluv,FollowHissteps,lightbearer, and others that have tried to show the correct process of the word of God applied to a believers life.
Others here are bullies,cowards,wimps,a harlot, and so indoctrinated that they are blind to TRUTH.
My sister @Leastamongmany came here in love to fellowship and share and learn of the word,but you people drove her away. Oh how powerful you must feel with your banning just bc you can't stand the TRUTH!
SHAME ON YOU!
There is nothing that imitates Christ Jesus here,it is dogma,drivel,conflated text,to negate what thus saith the Lord.
May you find mercy for your souls.
There will be a weiging in the balance,don't be found wanting.
Today is the day of your salvation and a time to repent.
I won't have to be banned for I'm sure the followers of dc will pounce on me,I go voluntarily .
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I hope you feel better now.
Who is the harlot I wonder since you intentionally included that label?

There is only on Truth and no one earns, maintains, keeps salvation by works to do such clearly nullifies the cross.

Why is that people who push a false "salvation by works" are so offended by the Truth?
 
Tellion

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LordsHandmaiden said:
bullies
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I've already said it once... I expect you to treat heresy as.... You know what, here...
Tellion said:
As I don't expect you to treat heresy with respect, why should you expect any different from me. That is just delusional.
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LordsHandmaiden said:
cowards
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Nobody's running that I can tell...
LordsHandmaiden said:
harlot
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Since I've seen no hint of sexual immorality, I'm assuming this is just thrown in for spite, making you the bully and the coward.
 
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EleventhHour

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LordsHandmaiden said:
Some of us work and have responsibilities, perhaps you don't that you can continue on here at all times.
I admire @PennEd
,@mailmandan,and@VCO,who post as people of faith with love!
There are my brethren of faith that post the correct understanding of God,the Holy Spirit,the Word and how they work together.
@Judges,@ Rebuild the church,wokinluv,FollowHissteps,lightbearer, and others that have tried to show the correct process of the word of God applied to a believers life.
Others here are bullies,cowards,wimps,a harlot, and so indoctrinated that they are blind to TRUTH.
My sister @Leastamongmany came here in love to fellowship and share and learn of the word,but you people drove her away. Oh how powerful you must feel with your banning just bc you can't stand the TRUTH!
SHAME ON YOU!
There is nothing that imitates Christ Jesus here,it is dogma,drivel,conflated text,to negate what thus saith the Lord.
May you find mercy for your souls.
There will be a weiging in the balance,don't be found wanting.
Today is the day of your salvation and a time to repent.
I won't have to be banned for I'm sure the followers of dc will pounce on me,I go voluntarily .
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Your ad hominem attack means you do not have a scriptural and rational response to the OP and neither did Leastamongmany...

Salvation workers do not come here in love ...they come to this thread with one intention to deny the Gospel of salvation apart from any and all works eternally secure

....why because light is always a threat to darkness.
 
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Maintain, hold onto, keep this law, keep that law, etc. The Pharisees did so. Then along comes Jesus onto the scene and they denied Him. The Truth is plain for all to see, yet there is no one so blind as those who will not see
 
lightbearer

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EleventhHour said:
Are you sinless?
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Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
(Php 3:12-14 KJV)
 
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