Not By Works

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AMEN bro......context alludes most and many secretly work for Aunt Auntie's pretzel shops where they learn to twist everything out of context to push something the bible does not teach....

True faith will have a corresponding action of some kind.

Let's look at what James says about faith & it's corresponding "work" in relation to having eternal life now and forever because we heard the message of Christ and believed on Him - then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Eph. 1:13

It is very interesting that in James's examples of faith "being made alive" by a work or a corresponding action.
Both Rahab and Abraham each did a one time corresponding action to demonstrate their faith.

Abraham believed God and offered up Isaac on the alter. Rahab received the spies.
Both one time events in their life - God calls this faith in action.


James 2:20-25 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

[SUP]21 [/SUP] Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?

[SUP]22[/SUP]You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;

[SUP]23 [/SUP] and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.

[SUP]24 [/SUP] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

[SUP]25 [/SUP] In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?

Paul and James completely go together and do not cancel each other out nor contradict the basic truth of believing in Christ brings eternal life when we hear the true message of Christ's work and that we have the forgiveness of sins.


We do the very same thing when we hear the message of Christ and we believe and then God seals us with the Holy Spirit. This is our faith
with a corresponding action or a "work".

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth,
the gospel of your salvationhaving also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Jesus said to do the work of God was to believe in the Son.

Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "
THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

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that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

[SUP]10[/SUP]for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

This is faith with corresponding action - or a work. This is how we are saved by grace through faith just like Paul said.

James talk about "faith" and "works" is in relation to helping out our fellow man that is in need.
 
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You seem to miss the point .....

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" (James 2:20)

*Faith if it does not produce works is NOT faith
I missed nothing and if you could read instead of bloviating before you read you would see that a gazillion times I have posted that works and fruit are proof of genuine conversion and faith.....and exactly how many pieces of fruit or works are required oh knowing one...?

Regardless....FAITH and FAITH ALONE is what saves a man....regardless of your ability to acknowledge it!
 
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John 6:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?


[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

This is real saving faith with works in the New Covenant as far as obtaining eternal salvation through Christ's work of grace by faith alone.
 

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Nice verses.....they still do not equate to the means of salvation which is faith and faith alone....
Ephesians 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

John 1:1 The Word Became Flesh In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

2 Timothy 3:h,15-17 , and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Titus 1:15-16 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
 
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Ephesians 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

John 1:1 The Word Became Flesh In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

2 Timothy 3:2,15-17 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Titus 1:15-16 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason I do not hear is that I do not belong to God.”
I fixed it for you and your points are moot....faith saves end of story pal!
 
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AMEN bro......context alludes most and many secretly work for Aunt Auntie's pretzel shops where they learn to twist everything out of context to push something the bible does not teach....
" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerned of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Heb 4:12)
 
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AMEN bro......context alludes most and many secretly work for Aunt Auntie's pretzel shops where they learn to twist everything out of context to push something the bible does not teach....
There seems to be many "unbelieving believers" around here.

Now I know what this guy meant when the Lord said to him - "I am sending you as a missionary."

The guy said "Where Lord?" The Lord said "I am sending you right where you are - I want you to preach to the unbelieving believers so that they will really start to believe in Me."
 
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There seems to be many "unbelieving believers" around here.

Now I know what this guy meant when the Lord said to him - "I am sending you as a missionary." The guy said "Where Lord?" The Lord said "I am sending you right where you are - I want you to preach to the unbelieving believers so that they will believe in Me."
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matt 7:1-2)
 
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"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matt 7:1-2)
John 7:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
 
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John 7:24 (NASB)

There seems to be many "unbelieving believers" around here.
Now I know what this guy meant when the Lord said to him - "I am sending you as a missionary."

The guy said "Where Lord?" The Lord said "I am sending you right where you are - I want you to preach to the unbelieving believers so that they will really start to believe in Me."

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[/SUP] "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

"You judge after the flesh; I judge no man." (John 8:15)
 
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"You judge after the flesh; I judge no man." (John 8:15)
1 Corinthians 2:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
 

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I fixed it for you and your points are moot....faith saves end of story pal!
Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Luke 16:17 It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.
 
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"He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48)
 
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"He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48)
1 John 4:14-19 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.

Those in Christ and Christ is in them have no fear of judgment because all judgment has been placed on Jesus Christ on the cross. Unbelievers will be judged by - as Paul says it - his gospel by Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


Ephesians 5:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead,
even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
 
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" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerned of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Heb 4:12)
yep....nice scripture...apply it to.....Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us....

You do understand past tense right?
 
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More excellent scriptures.....the workers for and cake takers are still pushing a self inflated working for dogma........

1 John 4:14-19 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

[SUP]16 [/SUP] We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.

Those in Christ and Christ is in them have no fear of judgment because all judgment has been placed on Jesus Christ on the cross. Unbelievers will be judged by - as Paul says it - his gospel by Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


Ephesians 5:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead,
even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
 
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"He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48)
Good thing I don't reject Christ, but have received him by faith< He that believes that God has raised him from the dead shall be saved.....!

To add to faith = gospel of a different kind with no power to save.....ever heard of the MANY that boast in their works and claim to know Jesus...... Galatians 1 and 3
 

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I fixed it for you and your points are moot....faith saves end of story pal!
Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Luke 16:17 It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
 
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Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Luke 16:17 It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.
Exactly....and the law if for the LAWLESS......and was a SCHOOLMASTER to point us to Christ and prove the world guilty.....Jesus nailed to condemnation of the law to his cross and ALL who exercise saving faith are COVERED BY THE BLOOD....you should both try it.....
 
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" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerned of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Heb 4:12)
AMEN to that bro......as evidenced by their dogma...