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When people forsake the faith, I tend to be one who doesn't want to judge and tell them they never believed but at the same time question how strong their faith was in Jesus and the reason for their faith.
I don't believe it is good to preach one can lose their salvation. When pastors or teachers or people preach you can lose salvation, to me this teaching can encourage striving to earn God's favor or acceptance, insecurity, fear, doubt of salvation, and lack of trust in God. I have experienced the trouble of doubting my own salvation and questioning if I was accepted by God and not feeling good enough for God. I know the fear of eternal damnation that came with the doubt and questions I had. And while I don't think it is good to blame it all on what people teach about the bible because we also should test for ourselves the truth of what we hear and if it is true to the bible, I also believe certain teachings don't help either. Reading passages about eternal security, salvation, and trusting God etc. have been of help and encouragement to me and I want to grow more in trusting God and walking by faith.
I don't believe it is good to preach one can lose their salvation. When pastors or teachers or people preach you can lose salvation, to me this teaching can encourage striving to earn God's favor or acceptance, insecurity, fear, doubt of salvation, and lack of trust in God. I have experienced the trouble of doubting my own salvation and questioning if I was accepted by God and not feeling good enough for God. I know the fear of eternal damnation that came with the doubt and questions I had. And while I don't think it is good to blame it all on what people teach about the bible because we also should test for ourselves the truth of what we hear and if it is true to the bible, I also believe certain teachings don't help either. Reading passages about eternal security, salvation, and trusting God etc. have been of help and encouragement to me and I want to grow more in trusting God and walking by faith.
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lets see, you said you agree with everything I said, which means you agreed with my conclusion, which I will ow repost
conclusion. This passage totally destroys NOSAS,
1. The only labor God requires is to seek after this "food" which endures forever
2. This food is Jesus himself the bread from heaven
3. whoever seeks is led by God himself. and when they come they will, as Jesus himself stated
Never hunger or thirst
Never die
Live forever
HAS eternal life
Will live as long as Jesus (our high priest) lives (he will never die so neither will we)
Will NEVER be tossed out
WILL be ressurected
WILL never be lost.
so either
1. you did not really mean what I wrote. So you missed this,
2. you At just trying to distract t from having to read Nd discuss it by saying you agree
if you really agree with everything I wrote like you said
then you agreed with my assessment that osas is a false doctrine?
lets see, you said you agree with everything I said, which means you agreed with my conclusion, which I will ow repost
conclusion. This passage totally destroys NOSAS,
1. The only labor God requires is to seek after this "food" which endures forever
2. This food is Jesus himself the bread from heaven
3. whoever seeks is led by God himself. and when they come they will, as Jesus himself stated
Never hunger or thirst
Never die
Live forever
HAS eternal life
Will live as long as Jesus (our high priest) lives (he will never die so neither will we)
Will NEVER be tossed out
WILL be ressurected
WILL never be lost.
so either
1. you did not really mean what I wrote. So you missed this,
2. you At just trying to distract t from having to read Nd discuss it by saying you agree
if you really agree with everything I wrote like you said
then you agreed with my assessment that osas is a false doctrine?
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Thanks for being honest. I appreciate this humility
Here is how I see it. How does one trample the grace of god. Through unbelief
the cross purchased the price of sanctification for everyone, (all manner of sin shall be forgiven)
unbelief in The cross is what tramples the pentaly.
now think of it from a jewish perspective as written, the law
It also says these jews who were sanctified by christs death also continued in willfull sin, can we say these people are saved?that also tramples underfoot the grace of god.
this is the ONLY was I see these two passages in a way they do not contradict.
Those people had their sanctification paid for. But in unbelief and willful disobedience, they trampled the grace which purchased their freedom.
Here is how I see it. How does one trample the grace of god. Through unbelief
the cross purchased the price of sanctification for everyone, (all manner of sin shall be forgiven)
unbelief in The cross is what tramples the pentaly.
now think of it from a jewish perspective as written, the law
It also says these jews who were sanctified by christs death also continued in willfull sin, can we say these people are saved?that also tramples underfoot the grace of god.
this is the ONLY was I see these two passages in a way they do not contradict.
Those people had their sanctification paid for. But in unbelief and willful disobedience, they trampled the grace which purchased their freedom.
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Amen sis.😁
We should be encouraged by who we are in Him and how faithful He is to keep us.
It's not our place to go and tell someone how they were never "saved". We can't know what God has started in them for sure or what the end will be before it happens.
We CAN know we are His and that it is by His mercy and not our walk... and we can know we will always place our faith in Him....
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Romans 8 to you is called WORKS, and you reject them. When we call out ANY scriptures to do with Obedience and being led by the Spirit to put to death the misdeeds of the body, YOU kick against them. We are called works salvationists, yet we say that Sanctification is part and part of salvation. That Holiness is a Requirement to see the Lord.
You however are free to overlook that because you will demand entrance to the Holy City through a single verse. Yet God is showing what living by this single verse means. What distinguishes the real from the fake. The Sheep from the Goats, the Wheat from the Tares.
You however are free to overlook that because you will demand entrance to the Holy City through a single verse. Yet God is showing what living by this single verse means. What distinguishes the real from the fake. The Sheep from the Goats, the Wheat from the Tares.
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I am grateful that He in His infinite wisdom... created the plan of salvation that can never be lost or forsaken... we have the New Adam and we are secure in Him.
For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence.
Ephesians 1:4
I am so thankful that God convicted me of this truth from the moment of my salvation and I have never doubted the veracity of His promises.
I am grateful that I understand that we are to move on to maturity, steadfast in the knowledge of our secure position in Christ, and not continually ponder what more needs to be done to secure our salvation..... as though Jesus failed and did not atone for every single sin.
I am convinced maturity in Christ, and understanding His word is founded upon trusting Him completely for all that is required for complete salvation.
Many come here to steal joy, grace and peace.... refusing to lay hold of this great truth of scripture and also work to draw others into their uncertainty... and they do this to their own detriment.
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As in most things concerning God, and or Jesus? Things "spoken/written" in the Bible? Mean 2, or more things, simultaneously, at the same time! Depending upon one's "Spiritual Altitude." (maturity)
Meaning? At one time? It was true! Which was why those (so called) "followers" subscribing to the "free lunch program", left Jesus.
(hint-it's not a physical thing...tis a "spiritual" thing)
Well? Some things are true, whether OSAS'ers believe it, or not.
If y'all OSAS'ers haven't "experienced" it yet? No worries!
You will!
Up until the Great White Throne Judgement. When, all of a sudden? "Eternal Security", may not seem so eternal, any longer!
BTW, Thanks for the correct spelling of transubstantiation.
Meaning? At one time? It was true! Which was why those (so called) "followers" subscribing to the "free lunch program", left Jesus.
(hint-it's not a physical thing...tis a "spiritual" thing)
Well? Some things are true, whether OSAS'ers believe it, or not.
If y'all OSAS'ers haven't "experienced" it yet? No worries!
You will!
Up until the Great White Throne Judgement. When, all of a sudden? "Eternal Security", may not seem so eternal, any longer!
BTW, Thanks for the correct spelling of transubstantiation.
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Once again, you prove you have no comprehenstion and continue ur to lie about what I believe
I call people who do works to maintain salvation works salvationalists
i do not call people who work at sanctification to grow in Christ works salvationists
romans 8 is a discussion On how we become sanctified, not how we become or maintain salvation
so once again, either try for once to undertstand what people believe, or just stop
if you want me and others to continue to correct your lies about us, feel free.but it hurts your own reputation,
for the final time
justification equals salvation
sanctification equals Christian growth
we are justified by faith apart from works, (living faith which will work)
we are sanctified by our falling in-line and walking in the spirit, yet our sanctification has no bearing on our justification,
next!
I call people who do works to maintain salvation works salvationalists
i do not call people who work at sanctification to grow in Christ works salvationists
romans 8 is a discussion On how we become sanctified, not how we become or maintain salvation
so once again, either try for once to undertstand what people believe, or just stop
if you want me and others to continue to correct your lies about us, feel free.but it hurts your own reputation,
for the final time
justification equals salvation
sanctification equals Christian growth
we are justified by faith apart from works, (living faith which will work)
we are sanctified by our falling in-line and walking in the spirit, yet our sanctification has no bearing on our justification,
next!
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Lets cut right to the chase.
To Eternally-Grateful, a practicing Satanist can Come to Christ, commit his life to the Lord, pick up the free gift of Salvation…..and then go back to being a Satanist. In this scenario, Eternally Grateful says this person will still be saved. Because Eternally-Grateful says that this person DOESNT HAVE TO REMAIN in the Lord. He/or She says that once the gift is given it is irreversible.
And we all, deep down, know that the above is not true Christianity. Some here may lie to themselves, but they deep down know that this scenario is untenable.
To Eternally-Grateful, a practicing Satanist can Come to Christ, commit his life to the Lord, pick up the free gift of Salvation…..and then go back to being a Satanist. In this scenario, Eternally Grateful says this person will still be saved. Because Eternally-Grateful says that this person DOESNT HAVE TO REMAIN in the Lord. He/or She says that once the gift is given it is irreversible.
And we all, deep down, know that the above is not true Christianity. Some here may lie to themselves, but they deep down know that this scenario is untenable.
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"romans 8 is a discussion On how we become sanctified, not how we become or maintain salvation" - Romans 8 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
So you are basically wrong.
"yet our sanctification has no bearing on our justification," - Hebrews 14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: 15 looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
And wrong again.
Next.
So you are basically wrong.
"yet our sanctification has no bearing on our justification," - Hebrews 14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: 15 looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
And wrong again.
Next.
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