Not By Works

[calibob]

MANY have a very hard time grasping this truth.....

It contradicts human thinking. Praying to someone or something most have never seen. So they make up rule books, and make unobeyable laws, worship idols and pray to rocks, trees, animals, moons and stars. Or they put their trust in men and forget we are ALL SINNERS with feet of clay.

 

[RebuildJesussChurch]

MANY have a very hard time grasping this truth.....

The problem many here have is understanding what grace does in us. It is radical!

And btw, He can take our names out of that Book too.

 

[NayborBear]

I suspect if the apostles Peter and James were commenting on this forum, you would accuse them of being works salvationists. For it is their scriptures you kick against.

....and I suspect by now, you are realizing what it is like in dealing with those who "believe a lie!"

"Stony grounded" Who have not "had the pleasure" of going through this:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Learned a "word" today!
Have no idea how it's spelt.
But, is pronounced"

"Cheery-'OUGHT!"

 

[EleventhHour]

and I suspect by now, you are realizing what it is like in dealing with those who "believe a lie!"

Yes ... there are many that promote a lie... but scripture is clear... so we see who the liars actually are.

Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
Hebrews 7:25

So that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:21

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
John 10:28-30

 

[dcontroversal]

The problem many here have is understanding what grace does in us. It is radical!

And btw, He can take our names out of that Book too.

He takes no one out of the book except those who do not BELIEVE...nice try but wrong.....and Grace is a position, and when we SIN grace OUT BOUNDS our sin.....

 

[RebuildJesussChurch]

It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Amen! The grace to be born of God!!

"No one who is born of God sins but He who is born of God keeps him and the evil one does not touch him." Praise the Lord!

I can see why Jesus wondered aloud during His earthly ministry, "When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?" Contrary to all the easy believism spouted in these parts, Paul testified that "We go through many hardships to enter the Kingdom of God". True disciples of Jesus have had to lose everything in order to be His disciples and they abide in His Word. They have been set free! And they follow Him wherever He goes. The Lord is the Spirit.

 

[dcontroversal]

....and I suspect by now, you are realizing what it is like in dealing with those who "believe a lie!"

"Stony grounded" Who have not "had the pleasure" of going through this:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Learned a "word" today!
Have no idea how it's spelt.
But, is pronounced"

"Cheery-'OUGHT!"

Oh look......the Catholic spread blather like butter on toast.......

 

[NayborBear]

I never denied it

however, you have to admit,

There are babes in christ

and mature adults in christ

the amount of obedience will reflect as such,

younalso have to account for prodigal children, who may not even look like christians at the time.

....And, THEN there are those who "work out there salvation with fear and trembling!"

PERISH the thought! Who would DO such a thing!

And "we're" the bad guys??

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen! The grace to be born of God!!

"No one who is born of God sins but He who is born of God keeps him and the evil one does not touch him." Praise the Lord!

I can see why Jesus wondered aloud during His earthly ministry, "When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?" Contrary to all the easy believism spouted in these parts, Paul testified that "We go through many hardships to enter the Kingdom of God". True disciples of Jesus have had to lose everything in order to be His disciples and they abide in His Word. They have been set free! And they follow Him wherever He goes. The Lord is the Spirit.

Sinless perfectionism = blind, deceived and ignorant of the truth...........it also fails to acknowledge the CONFLICT between the SINLESS spirit born of GOD and the STILL FALLEN FLESH we pack daily....

Geesh man...open your eyes!

 

[dcontroversal]

....And, THEN there are those who "work out there salvation with fear and trembling!"

PERISH the thought! Who would DO such a thing!

And "we're" the bad guys??

Obviously you read work out as work for........put some glasses on Catholic

 

[RebuildJesussChurch]

He takes no one out of the book except those who do not BELIEVE...nice try but wrong.....and Grace is a position, and when we SIN grace OUT BOUNDS our sin.....

He makes no empty threats. Check it out. It's in there.

"Shall we sin since we are not under law but under grace? By no means." "Go and sin no more." "We know that God doesn't listen to sinners but if any man is God fearing and does His will He hears him."

Let us go unto perfection. We are to be perfect as He is perfect. Blessed are they whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the Word of the Lord. Having been set free from sin and having become slaves to God the benefit we reap leads to holiness the result of which is eternal life.

 

[dcontroversal]

He makes no empty threats. Check it out. It's in there.

"Shall we sin since we are not under law but under grace? By no means." "Go and sin no more." "We know that God doesn't listen to sinners but if any man is God fearing and does His will He hears him."

Let us go unto perfection. We are to be perfect as He is perfect. Blessed are they whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the Word of the Lord. Having been set free from sin and having become slaves to God the benefit we reap leads to holiness the result of which is eternal life.

Maturity NOT sinless perfection and you are peddling deceit....

God said that if it WAS POSSIBLE to be delivered BY ONE'S own righteousness that there would only be THREE men ever....DANIEL was one of the three NAMED and even DANIEL confesses HIS SINS even though NOT ONE is named in scripture

ALL threats are aimed at those that DENY JESUS as the ONE.....

And you are barking up the wrong tree with the sinless perfectionist crap that you are peddling

 

[NayborBear]

Yes ... there are many that promote a lie... but scripture is clear... so we see who the liars actually are.

Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
Hebrews 7:25

So that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:21

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
John 10:28-30

Big difference EleventhHour, of what it takes to be "saved', and what it takes to become a "Priest!"
BIG difference!

This is where "the friction" in these forums stems from!

From those being "saved", in teaching "Priests", that "You don't have to that!"

Which?.....Is true! If you only seek salvation! But, what after salvation?

Which is why Priests endure the mocking and scoffing, and being called names!

Yanno? Not many, if any of God's Priests, ever got a "sheepskin" from a Bible College!

 

[dcontroversal]

Big difference EleventhHour, of what it takes to be "saved', and what it takes to become a "Priest!"
BIG difference!

This is where "the friction" in these forums stems from!

From those being "saved", in teaching "Priests", that "You don't have to that!"

Which?.....Is true! If you only seek salvation! But, what after salvation?

Which is why Priests endure the mocking and scoffing, and being called names!

Yanno? Not many, if any of God's Priests, ever got a "sheepskin" from a Bible College!

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[NayborBear]

Oh look......the Catholic spread blather like butter on toast.......

Should ya be referring to my avatar?

Those are just a "few" of the "72 virgins" suicide bombers have to look forwards to "making their acquaintance", on the "other side!"

 

[RebuildJesussChurch]

Maturity NOT sinless perfection and you are peddling deceit....

God said that if it WAS POSSIBLE to be delivered BY ONE'S own righteousness that there would only be THREE men ever....DANIEL was one of the three NAMED and even DANIEL confesses HIS SINS even though NOT ONE is named in scripture

ALL threats are aimed at those that DENY JESUS as the ONE.....

And you are barking up the wrong tree with the sinless perfectionist crap that you are peddling

Quoting God, my friend. Only wish I had more time to write more!

 

[EleventhHour]

Big difference EleventhHour, of what it takes to be "saved', and what it takes to become a "Priest!"
BIG difference!

This is where "the friction" in these forums stems from!

From those being "saved", in teaching "Priests", that "You don't have to that!"

Which?.....Is true! If you only seek salvation! But, what after salvation?

Which is why Priests endure the mocking and scoffing, and being called names!

Yanno? Not many, if any of God's Priests, ever got a "sheepskin" from a Bible College!

Where do you get these ideas?

You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Pet. 2:5).

The born again believer is part of the holy priesthood.. this is a status conferred by God... not man.

 

[NayborBear]

Where do you get these ideas?

You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Pet. 2:5).

The born again believer is part of the holy priesthood.. this is a status conferred by God... not man.

...... offer up spiritual sacrifices = WORKS

FWIW? Being "called" into this Holy Priesthood, in no wise the same as being "chosen."

 

[gb9]

for those of you that are not used to interacting with mr. bear, he thinks 1st Enoch should be part of the Bible and also that Christ followers have too keep the Sabbath to be saved.

just a heads up to the mindset ya'll are dealing with.

 

[dcontroversal]

Where do you get these ideas?

You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1 Pet. 2:5).

The born again believer is part of the holy priesthood.. this is a status conferred by God... not man.

The Catholic has no concept of what a saved person really is as a priest.......such as the God given right to enter the Holiest and come before the Heavenly Father OUR SELF!