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Oncefallen

Oncefallen

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Sorry about the sheer number of posts that disappeared with the cleanup from our troll. Unfortunately when there's 6 (or more) pages of posts involved, trying to only remove the troll's (and related posts from other users) can be somewhat imperfect.
 
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Who we are in Christ eternally...

  • Justified: Romans 5:1 — “Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Also see Romans 3:24; 8:30; 1 Corinthians 6:11; Titus 3:7.)
  • Righteous: Philippians 3:8-9 — “... in order that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith.” (Also see Romans 3:22; 5:17; 10:3-4; 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 5:21.)
  • Sanctified: 1 Corinthians 1:30 — “And because of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us … sanctification and redemption ...” (Also see 1 Corinthians 6:11; Hebrews 10:10.)
  • Made Perfect: Hebrews 10:14 — “For by a single offering He has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.” (Also see Hebrews 10:1-2 for the results of being made perfect.)
  • Accepted: Ephesians 1:5-6 — “... he predestined us for adoption to Himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace, with which He has blessed us in the Beloved.” (Also see 1 Peter 2:5.)
  • Forgiven: Colossians 2:13 — “And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our trespasses.” (Also see Colossians 1:14; 3:13; Ephesians 1:7; 4:32.)
  • Complete: Colossians 2:10 — “You have been filled in Him, who is the head of all rule and authority.”
 
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Judges1318

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Hevosmies said:
Show me the verses and i'll believe it
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Galatians 4:10 KJV
10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 5:4-5 KJV
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

This shows us 1) real believers can and do stop believing, and 2) you lose the effect of Jesus in justification if you turn away from justification in Christ.
 
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Discern

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Butterflyyy said:
Lol so you can bear fruit without repenting??? Oh man this needs more study👌
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The fact that they did not bring forth fruit worthy of repentance meant they were professing repentance, but there was in reality no repentance. They were coming to a baptism of repentance, but had not and were not actually repenting. John was challenging their sincerity. They were professing repentance, but were still a brood of vipers.
 
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Discern

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Discern said:
The fact that they did not bring forth fruit worthy of repentance meant they were professing repentance, but there was in reality no repentance. They were coming to a baptism of repentance, but had not and were not actually repenting. John was challenging their sincerity. They were professing repentance, but were still a brood of vipers.
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John was there preaching repentance to prepare the people to receive Jesus. Some were coming to his baptism, but apparently were missing the point of his baptism.
 
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Discern said:
...but who said one could bear fruit without repenting?
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It was the person she was responding to who said you can bear fruit without repenting. She questioned it by putting three question marks after her response, see below. Then she said this man needs more study, meaning he does not know very much.

Lol so you can bear fruit without repenting??? Oh man this needs more study👌
 
Butterflyyy

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PS said:
It was the person she was responding to who said you can bear fruit without repenting. She questioned it by putting three question marks after her response, see below. Then she said this man needs more study, meaning he does not know very much.

Lol so you can bear fruit without repenting??? Oh man this needs more study👌
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Lol well I did question how this could be possible.
I was really saying that I would have to study it to see if this could be the case because I can't see how it is possible, seeing as fruit comes from the indwelling of Christ's Spirit in us.
 
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Butterflyyy said:
This link is very helpful to Catholics who are wondering why we Christians are not part of the Catholic Church. It explains why Catholicism is not Christianity, and why it is a deception if it is being presented as Christianity. Hope this helps and blesses someone 🙂
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I recently watched this interesting video about the origin of the Catholic church. Christianity and pagan customs do not mix.

 
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eternally-gratefull

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Judges1318 said:
Galatians 4:10 KJV
10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 5:4-5 KJV
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

This shows us 1) real believers can and do stop believing, and 2) you lose the effect of Jesus in justification if you turn away from justification in Christ.
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Niether one of those verses speak of christians

the first verse. Paul says he is afraid for them, that he labored in vein, they were never saved

the send said Christ is no affect to them, how Can one ever be saved if Christ was never an affect to them?
 
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Butterflyyy said:
Lol well I did question how this could be possible.
I was really saying that I would have to study it to see if this could be the case because I can't see how it is possible, seeing as fruit comes from the indwelling of Christ's Spirit in us.
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You do not need to study it, it comes natural to those who are in Christ and Christ in them. :)

Gal 5:22-26 KJV
(22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
(24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
(25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
(26) Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

God bless.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PS said:
It was the person she was responding to who said you can bear fruit without repenting. She questioned it by putting three question marks after her response, see below. Then she said this man needs more study, meaning he does not know very much.

Lol so you can bear fruit without repenting??? Oh man this needs more study👌
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If he says that, then he does need more study
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Butterflyyy said:
Lol well I did question how this could be possible.
I was really saying that I would have to study it to see if this could be the case because I can't see how it is possible, seeing as fruit comes from the indwelling of Christ's Spirit in us.
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Sadly some can not grasp this basic truth
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Niether one of those verses speak of christians

the first verse. Paul says he is afraid for them, that he labored in vein, they were never saved

the send said Christ is no affect to them, how Can one ever be saved if Christ was never an affect to them?
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Being argumentative is not amongst the fruits of the spirit.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PS said:
You do not need to study it, it comes natural to those who are in Christ and Christ in them. :)

Gal 5:22-26 KJV
(22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
(24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
(25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
(26) Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

God bless.
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Because they are new creatures,

also

sin becomes unnatural to them, it’s why they can no longer continue in sin, it’s like taking poison it will make You extremely ill, add to that gods chastening, and it’s not gonna happen.
 
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