Not By Works

[Noose]

2 Timothy 2:23-24 English Standard Version (ESV)
23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. 24 And the Lord's servant[a] must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,

Proverbs 18:1-2 English Standard Version (ESV)
18 Whoever isolates himself seeks his own desire;
he breaks out against all sound judgment.
2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding,
but only in expressing his opinion.

Jer 31:
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”

 

[Noose]

It seems you guyz are fearing for me so much. It is a good gesture but i promise i'll be ok.
It has been nice talking to you'll on this topic, we can still catch up on other topics and hopefully, agree.
I doubt that i offended anyone with what i said but if i deed, cheer up, it wasn't personal, just arguments.

Wish you well.

 

[Pisteuo]

John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

He was addressing the apostles. I'm pretty sure they were in that gifted teacher group.

 

[Pisteuo]

Open your eyes. Why is there divisions rather than unity now more than ever?

God gave some to be pastors teachers, Evangelists, and so on " for the perfecting of the saints!!" To unify to body of Christ.

What that means, is we as called out ones are ether one of those gifted teachers, who's only purpose is to perfect Saints. Or we are one of the saints being perfected. This self taught,"the Holy Spirit teaches me privately "is about as unbiblical as you can get!

And this is what you get when self teaching rules the day, instead of the word of God.

 

[Pisteuo]

The same rules apply when you only listen to one wing-nut guru while refusing to listen to everyone else with biblical support of their views.

So If God does put a gifted teacher in your path, as the result of a Continually surrendered life (pisteuo) , your should ingnore him and listen to all the self taught ones? Who have yet to even start their surrendered life.

 

[Melach]

Paul says "we which are alive and remain" not "those who will be alive and remain"

Can't you see that Paul is counting himself amongst those that are alive and remain when the Lord returns. Otherwise he was supposed to say, "we who will be dead in Christ shall rise first and be caught with those who will be alive and remain.."

are you saying Jesus already returned then? st.paul said we because no man knows the time when Jesus returns so it could of happened when st.paul was alive.

 

[Lightskin]

So If God does put a gifted teacher in your path, as the result of a Continually surrendered life (pisteuo) , your should ingnore him and listen to all the self taught ones? Who have yet to even start their surrendered life.

Trust me, you’re no gifted teacher.

 

[VCO]

You know, there are Plenty of VERSES, that say JESUS SAVED US, Past Tense, even one says HE saved us Before TIME Began. So what is the driving force behind Those that think they have to FINISH the WORK of JESUS ? ? ? IS THAT HOW DEEP THE DECEPTION OF SATAN RUNS ? ? ? It says He is OUR HIGH PRIEST, and as HIGH PRIEST, HE cannot sit DOWN as long as His Duties are not DONE. YET it says HE SAT DOWN. Which means SALVATION WAS COMPLETE, even the pouring out of the BLOOD on the HORNS of the ALTAR, and AROUND THE BASE OF THE ALTAR IN HEAVEN:


Mark 16:19 (NASB)
19 So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

At the stoning of Stephen, the LORD STOOD UP to honor Stephen in his testimony and death:

Acts 7:51-60 (HCSB)
51 “You stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are always resisting the Holy Spirit; as your ancestors did, so do you.
52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They even killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become.
53 You received the law under the direction of angels and yet have not kept it.”
54 When they heard these things, they were enraged in their hearts and gnashed their teeth at him.
55 But Stephen, filled by the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven. He saw God’s glory, with Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said,
56 “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
57 Then they screamed at the top of their voices, covered their ears, and together rushed against him.
58 They threw him out of the city and began to stone him. And the witnesses laid their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 They were stoning Stephen as he called out: “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
60 Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin!” And saying this, he fell asleep.

WHERE do I get that HE must pour out the remainder of the blood at the based of the ALTAR IN HEAVEN?

Exodus 29:12 (ASV)
12 And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger; and thou shalt pour out all the blood at the base of the altar.

WHY MUST THE BLOOD OF CHRIST BE POURED OUT AROUND THE BASE OF THE ALTAR IN HEAVEN ? ? ?
I would have to guess, but it appears that is the normal entry point into heaven, therefore every human being would be coming through the blood of Christ as he or she enters Heaven.

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

 

[Pisteuo]

Trust me, you’re no gifted teacher.

I hear ya. I can't communicate just one Greek word and it's correct definition.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

He was addressing the apostles. I'm pretty sure they were in that gifted teacher group.

1 John 2:27
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

 

[Lightskin]

I hear ya. I can't communicate just one Greek word and it's correct definition.

You communicate just fine. Your problem is your irrationality trying to pigeonhole God’s grace within the confines of one word. God’s a little bigger than one word, don’t cha think?

 

[Pisteuo]

You communicate just fine. Your problem is your irrationality trying to pigeonhole God’s grace within the confines of one word. God’s a little bigger than one word, don’t cha think?

Lol, I have alot more to support my understanding than just one word, that's all I can expose you to at your current place in the salvation journey.

 

[calibob]

Can we have a verse that states verbatim that Lucifer thinks he can send someone to hell?

I doubt it. I was watching a video about the Freemasons and learned they got a jump start during the reformation and enlightenment movements so I asked on Bing if Calvin was a Freemason and posted the results. Of course Satan knows that only God can Judge and he claims otherwise hes just lying. Like usual.

 

[calibob]

George Washington was a deist...

Yes and a Freemason too. The USA was originally colonized by England for people that rejected both the Church of England and the RCC. That's part of the reason for the separation of church and state. That's why I say the USA was never a christian nation that was founded by some christians as well as Freemasons and Deists. If we were a Christian nation we wouldn't have astrologists, atheists or Mormons.

 

[limmuwd]

You kind of make the continually surrendered life to be an afterthought. Faith " is " a Continually surrendered life and a life inspired by such surrender. Not a life inspired by obedience and righteousness. The obedience and righteousness comes from Him as the result of ever increasing Faith, ever increasing pisteuo, an ever increasing surrendered life. You won't have to preach repentance and righteousness, it will flow from you. His nature , His obedience, His righteousness will flow from us as the result of true saving Faith.

Interesting that attempt to analyze me and my walk with the Lord.
You are entitled to your opinion, however wrong it might be.

There is no faith in faith, it must be in the Lord alone. So many make this mistake.
Keep walking, my friend, in the Way. You will get there.

Peace!

 

[Pisteuo]

Interesting that attempt to analyze me and my walk with the Lord.
You are entitled to your opinion, however wrong it might be.

There is no faith in faith, it must be in the Lord alone. So many make this mistake.
Keep walking, my friend, in the Way. You will get there.

Peace!

Not only does Faith in Faith not work, but Faith in God's word doesn't work either. Has to be Faith and faithing in Christ Himself, a real living person.

 

[limmuwd]

Not only does Faith in Faith not work, but Faith in God's word doesn't work either. Has to be Faith and faithing in Christ Himself, a real living person.

Amen, you are correct sir!

Only our faith in the Lord alone will bring us to the Father; Faith that is real, and proven by what we do.

"the righteous (tsaddiyq) one will live by his faith ('emuwnah)." - Hab 2:4

When viewed in context, we find that the "faith" is proven by the attitude and behavior of the individual.

There is no abstract "faith." Only actual faith that is tangible and visible to man and God.

 

[limmuwd]

What I gave is in regards to salvation. We need to change a mind that salvation is not from us, it's from God. Repentance really means a "change of mind' which the action is to the 'changing of mind'. The result is either a change of direction. The biblical definition may be found here:

12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.

13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.

14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Turn from = changed
Remember/ thought to do = mind

It is always to mean a changed mind.

Webster and many of the lexicons inject unbiblical definition of repentance. The OXFORD says to changed one's mind with regard to a past action or conduct through dissatisfaction with its result is perhaps biblical. The Latins called 'figure of correction'. It is a contrition with desire to and intention of amendment. This desire and intention are changed of mind thus repentance.

The True definition of Repentance, which I have very accurately provided, means to change the mind, reject our sin and actually turn away from it. That is clear Bible.
The easy proof is in the consistent usage throughout the New Testament of the words "Repent" and "Repentance." For in not a single instance in the NT would a mere 'change of mind' fit what Jesus, John or the Apostles taught. Not once.

If I had time, I would expound on the Hebrew understanding of the word "repent" in the passage you mentioned above.

Personally, I will continue to preach 'Repentance" as did Jesus, John, the Prophets and Apostles, exhorting the saints to "turn from their wicked ways."

God's Wisdom and Understanding to all.

 

[Pisteuo]

Amen, you are correct sir!

Only our faith in the Lord alone will bring us to the Father; Faith that is real, and proven by what we do.

"the righteous (tsaddiyq) one will live by his faith ('emuwnah)." - Hab 2:4

When viewed in context, we find that the "faith" is proven by the attitude and behavior of the individual.

There is no abstract "faith." Only actual faith that is tangible and visible to man and God.

Ya I was never a big fan of being approved by " man ". So we as faithers are to be approved by the world? And if the world doesn't approve, there's something wrong with us? Doesn't fit.

And the Father calls us out, draws us to Christ. Not from Christ to the Father.

 

[Pisteuo]

Amen, you are correct sir!

Only our faith in the Lord alone will bring us to the Father; Faith that is real, and proven by what we do.

"the righteous (tsaddiyq) one will live by his faith ('emuwnah)." - Hab 2:4

When viewed in context, we find that the "faith" is proven by the attitude and behavior of the individual.

There is no abstract "faith." Only actual faith that is tangible and visible to man and God.

The righteous one will live by a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.