Not By Works

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limmuwd said:
Hey brother. Just joined this site yesterday! And yes, I jumped right into the thick of it! :D

I'm hoping to find some True fellowship here. Look forward to interacting with you, discussing the meat of the Word.

Briefly concerning "pisteou", which I'm sure you know, but is hard for so many to grasp, is that the opposite of "pisteou" is not "unbelief" but "disobedience." Which tells us that an abstract faith is not faith at all. Truly, our faith is only evident to man, and to God, by our behavior, our conduct, by our works! :eek:;)

Blessings to you, friend, as you Journey on the Way.
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Name five people here on CC who preach disobedience. No worries, I’ll wait.
 
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jxlar said:
When people say “Not By Works”, Which specific Biblical works are they referring to? I don't have time to read this whole thread to see if this has already been answered.
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If your truly interested in what saving Faith is, read all my posts in this thread from 110645 on.
 
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I've talked with many very strong Christians, some here, who have attempted suicide. The gun misfired, the pills didn't work, They got arrested (rescued) or the Lord spoke to them audibly and it hanged their entire direction in life. Many become preachers teachers, evangelists counselors and or teachers. There is no doubt regarding predestination in such cases. The lord allowed the to go through it, rescued them and it changed not only their lives forever but the lives of many others that they encountered. I believe the Lord want's everybody to be saved that are willing to humble themselves to his higher power.

I also believe the preordained/predestination teaching originally was talking about evangelist's, teachers, Church starters. Not a firm across the board teaching. The teaching were targeted at such people to become what his will for us to do is; "The Great Commission." Spread the Gospel. Not to throw up our hands and say "It was Gods will for me to be save but not for everybody." That's none of our business. Our business is to pitch in and walk the walk and share about Salvation. Not Predestination.
 
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jxlar said:
Anything is better than nothing.
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Actually with regards to spiritual salvation, being declared "righteous"... no thing >>>> no work is the only way to be saved.

Romans 4:5
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
 
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UnderGrace said:
By faith in Christ Jesus apart from works... just like everyone else.
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Exactly and this is how faith in Jesus Christ apart from works looks like:

Luke 19:8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.” 9Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
 
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Noose said:
Exactly and this is how faith in Jesus Christ apart from works looks like:

Luke 19:8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.” 9Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
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Wrong, their faith in Jesus was as their Saviour:)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I am not agreeing

if your already saved, your end is secure

you can not work out your salvation unless you are already saved, salvation is the power that enables us to work the works of God
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You actually are! You're just looking at "salvation" from another level.
Remember "the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe." (Jude 1:5)

In modern Christendom, many have been led to believe that "being saved" is the end; and we have now obtained all the promises of God and have heaven when we die. If that we even remotely true, then all the warnings of Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, & especially the writer of Hebrews, written directly, and only, to "saved" people, would need not have been penned.

If we are to inherit the promises of God in Rev 2 & 3, we must overcome and walk worthy.

May each of us be found so doing today.
Peace!
 
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jxlar said:
When people say “Not By Works”, Which specific Biblical works are they referring to? I don't have time to read this whole thread to see if this has already been answered.
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We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus, not by our works. There’s your answer.
 
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limmuwd said:
You actually are! You're just looking at "salvation" from another level.
Remember "the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe." (Jude 1:5)

In modern Christendom, many have been led to believe that "being saved" is the end; and we have now obtained all the promises of God and have heaven when we die. If that we even remotely true, then all the warnings of Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, & especially the writer of Hebrews, written directly, and only, to "saved" people, would need not have been penned.

If we are to inherit the promises of God in Rev 2 & 3, we must overcome and walk worthy.

May each of us be found so doing today.
Peace!
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Thank God He is the starter and finisher of our faith...
Thank God by His Almighty power that He keeps us preserving till the end...
Thank God we are SAVED through faith NOT by our works , so we can`t boast...
Those who trust , lean and rely on our LORD will not be the ones who stand before Him and say
" LORD LORD , did we not " we will not be the ones who He says " Go away , I never knew you "

All the glory to God for SAVING us now , and nothing can snatch us out the palm of His mighty hand...
 
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Lightskin said:
Name five people here on CC who preach disobedience. No worries, I’ll wait.
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Hi friend. Nice introduction. :D

Not sure why the tone. But I didn't say anyone was. :unsure:

Plus, only been here since yesterday! :cool:

Only joined to have some fellowship with the saints.

You don't have to agree with me. Most don't! But God does, and it's only Him I must please. :)
 
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Rosemaryx said:
Thank God He is the starter and finisher of our faith...
Thank God by His Almighty power that He keeps us preserving till the end...
Thank God we are SAVED through faith NOT by our works , so we can`t boast...
Those who trust , lean and rely on our LORD will not be the ones who stand before Him and say
" LORD LORD , did we not " we will not be the ones who He says " Go away , I never knew you "

All the glory to God for SAVING us now , and nothing can snatch us out the palm of His mighty hand...
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Accually, rosemary,God's word states "He is the author and finisher " of Faith". Not of our faith!
 
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limmuwd said:
You actually are! You're just looking at "salvation" from another level.
Remember "the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe." (Jude 1:5)

In modern Christendom, many have been led to believe that "being saved" is the end; and we have now obtained all the promises of God and have heaven when we die. If that we even remotely true, then all the warnings of Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, & especially the writer of Hebrews, written directly, and only, to "saved" people, would need not have been penned.

If we are to inherit the promises of God in Rev 2 & 3, we must overcome and walk worthy.

May each of us be found so doing today.
Peace!
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The letters are written to the saved and that is the point of reference of the writers, the warnings are not for spiritual salvation or loss of

that salvation, the exhortation, teachings etc., are for salvation of the soul, the worthy walk, and living under the law of liberty etc.,

I know you false theology well Mr. limmuwud, sadly for me I might add.
 
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