Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Today is my birthday.. Obsess on that for awhile.. lol

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Happy Birthday Blue cat lover hah

 

[UnderGrace]

John 1:12 (YLT)
12 but as many as did receive Him to them he gave authority to become sons of God--to those believing in his name,


DID RECEIVE HIM AS WHAT ? ? ?


Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
6 So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [.The meaning of the word is MASTER.], continue to live in him,


Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [.It is not a CONFESSION, unless it happens in your heart, when you OUT OF LOVE FOR HIM, you willing you RECIEVE HIM as MASTER.] with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; [👈 You SEE Salvation happens after You have received HIM as LORD. The deception is the easy believism FALSE GOSPEL of Receiving Him as SAVIOUR, and latter you can submit to Him as LORD, if you want to.]
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.


I know no other way to Genuine SALVATION.

My brains a little tired, however, lest anyone fall into the deception of Lordship Salvation...... I quote John Rice I think he states it properly....

Lordship Salvation is a lie.

A changed life is the FRUIT of genuine repentance; and not a part of the ROOT of saving faith.
We give up our sins because we ARE saved; not to GET saved. Biblical salvation requires that a person simply acknowledge their guilt of sin before God (Romans 3:19) and believe on Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, to be forgiven. Acts 10:43, “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

That is Biblical salvation.

 

[Macabeus]

However, decisional regenerationists, is a VERY BIG WORD.

When you are dealing with the unsaved or babies in CHRIST,

KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. And the way I decribed the GOSPEL, is as simple as it gets.

I’m dealing with unsaved people and babes in Christ here?

I didn’t know that

And I thought I was talking to you.

 

[Macabeus]

My brains a little tired, however, lest anyone fall into the deception of Lordship Salvation...... I quote John Rice I think he states it properly....

Lordship Salvation is a lie.

A changed life is the FRUIT of genuine repentance; and not a part of the ROOT of saving faith.
We give up our sins because we ARE saved; not to GET saved. Biblical salvation requires that a person simply acknowledge their guilt of sin before God (Romans 3:19) and believe on Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, to be forgiven. Acts 10:43, “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

That is Biblical salvation.

John Rice sounds a lot like my position what I have always said. Believe, regenerated, changed, grow.

Yes, I say regeneration. The churches I come from teach things like that in the services. That is one of the ELEMENTARY. Teachings

 

[UnderGrace]

Exactly what I have always said.

Yeah well, it does not state a changed life must bear fruit to be real...... so do not agree too soon.

 

[Macabeus]

Yeah well, it does not state a changed life must bear fruit to be real...... so do not agree too soon.

When did I say that? Post number please.

That was a strawman DC, GB9, and Budman made up. And you guys bought it uncritically

Proof. No one has ever produced a post where I said that. I have asked numerous times

GB9 tried. And I showed he was misunderstanding me

What I simply said before a new believer doesn’t necessarily have to wait for maturity to bear fruit. I said nothing more and nothing less

I bust more myths about myself...

 

[Melach]

giys i made a drinking game and its really got me n trouble. the game is to take a sip every time u see Macabeus use the word 'strawman' i am absolutely hammered.

 

[Macabeus]

Yeah well, it does not state a changed life must bear fruit to be real...... so do not agree too soon.

I’ll be waiting for a post where I said that

You’re just repeating another of a long list of strawman that have been invented or attributed to me.

I have already clearly corrected one person today on my position.

 

[Macabeus]

giys i made a drinking game and its really got me n trouble. i decided to take a sip every time i see Macabeus use the word 'strawman' i am absolutely hammered.

You would have died of alcohol poisoning if you took a shot every time someone used a strawman

Just watch. When someone claims I said something, I ask for a post. And they never provide one or they provide one that defeats their own argument.

I think I’m going to correct Undergrace the way I corrected someone else today. Get ready for it

 

[dcontroversal]

giys i made a drinking game and its really got me n trouble. the game is to take a sip every time u see Macabeus use the word 'strawman' i am absolutely hammered.

Hahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahhahahhahahaha that was funny.....hahahaha that was hilarious and as my Aussie friends say.....SPOT ON!

 

[UnderGrace]

When did I say that? Post number please.

That was a strawman DC, GB9, and Budman made up? And you guys bought it uncritically

I simply said before a new believer doesn’t necessarily have to wait for maturity to bear fruit

I have not read every post, so I cannot comment.

 

[Melach]

I think I’m going to correct Undergrace the way I corrected someone else today. Get ready for it

yes boss. you do what you have to do. its 4:20 in morning here i need to sleep now. i will come back tomorrow if i survive to see justice served.

I have not read every post, so I cannot comment.

then get reading you got 5000 more pages to go

 

[Macabeus]

I’ll be waiting for a post where I said that

You’re just repeating another of a long list of strawman that have been invented or attributed to me.

Yeah well, it does not state a changed life must bear fruit to be real...... so do not agree too soon.

You are completely misstating my position. I never said a changed life must bear fruit to be real.

If I had said “must”, that would have been a prescriptive statement, ie you must do such and such

I never spoke of bearing fruit prescriptively. I always spoke of beating fruit descriptively. Christians bear fruit because they are saved, not you must bear fruit to be saved

If you would have actually read my posts you would understand this. I have repeated it many times, including to you

 

[UnderGrace]

I’ll be waiting for a post where I said that

You’re just repeating another of a long list of strawman that have been invented or attributed to me.

I have already clearly corrected one person today on my position.

I believe I was responding to VCO, so I am not sure what you are on about.

 

[Macabeus]

I have not read every post, so I cannot comment.

What are you talking about? You accuse me of something and then say you haven’t read every post? Oh, I get it. You believed because DC and the liscentiousness teaching Budman said it. I feel ya. 🙄

 

[UnderGrace]

giys i made a drinking game and its really got me n trouble. the game is to take a sip every time u see Macabeus use the word 'strawman' i am absolutely hammered.

Not sure I have enough liquor in the cabinet?

 

[Macabeus]

I believe I was responding to VCO, so I am not sure what you are on about.

No you responded to me when you insinuated something I never said. I do not use words like “must” when talking about fruit. I use words like does or will. Like Jesus. Everyone who abides in me bears fruit. Descriptive statement- describes. Not prescriptive statement that prescribed

DC is not an apostle where you have to unquestioningly believe all his claims. Why the Bereans didn’t even do that with Paul

 

[Macabeus]

Not sure I have enough liquor in the cabinet?

Not sure there is enough liquor in the world to take a shot every time one of you produces a strawman

 

[UnderGrace]

Not sure there is enough liquor in the world to take a shot every time one of you produces a strawman

I am going to have to leave this thread because you have a way that I really have no idea how to deal with you.

 

[Macabeus]

I have not read every post, so I cannot comment.

You see this Melach. She accuses me of something then says she can’t show where because she hasn’t read every post. In other words she ASSUMES it, because that’s what DC and Budman claimed I said

I warned you not to join the strawman army. Now go take another drink