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there's one thing I noticed about myself, I like to have a huge wealth of information in my possession, before ministry, (like I'm giving out of wealth) but VCO, you have overcome your fear of "lacking information" and preached boldly, as if trusting God to supply information to speak through you
wow!
wow!
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@theanointedwinner it was from your testimony!
Can you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion about me and where I worship?
What you describe is the complete antithesis of what I believe.
Sadly these are false assumptions or perhaps I should state thankfully these are false assumptions LOL
What you describe is the complete antithesis of what I believe.
Sadly these are false assumptions or perhaps I should state thankfully these are false assumptions LOL
Because, correct me if you did, you never answered what Denomination you were from. THEN, I would have looked it up and assumed you believed what your Doctrinal Statement of Faith actually said. So I had to look at your answers or objects, and compair the to know statements that I have read in the PAST. BELIEVE ME, I have read thoroughly a lot of Church Statements of faith, because we moved a LOT into small towns with few Churches to choose from. I have asked that question of just about everyone, that has a different belief than I do. WHY? So that I can read there Doctrinal Statement of Faith, to KNOW where they are coming from with some of their answers.
It does not have to be Church were you attend, JUST THAT YOU AGREE 100% with that Doctrinal Statement, preferably with Scriptures.
For example, and I will choose a shorter one, as MOST are too long, and post it on the next Post, entitled:
HERE IS A DOCTRINAL STATEMENT OF FAITH that I agree with 100%.
Here is one from Independent Fundamental Churches of America. I have attended several IFCA Churches in my lifetime.
1 The Holy Scriptures
We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the verbally inspired Word of God, the final authority for faith and life, inerrant in the original writings, infallible and God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Matthew 5:18; John 16:12,13).
2 The Godhead
We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – coeternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
3 The Person and Work of Christ
a. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1,2,14; Luke 1:35).
b. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross for all mankind as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice, and that the sufficiency of this atoning sacrifice to accomplish the redemption and justification of all who trust in Him is assured by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24,25; 4:25; Ephesians 1:7; 1 Timothy 4:10; Hebrews 2:9; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 2:24; and 2 Peter 2:1).
c. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ ascended to heaven, and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9,10; Hebrews 9:24; 7:25; Romans 8:34; 1 John 2:1,2).
4 The Person and Work of the Holy Spirit
a. We believe that the Holy Spirit is a person who convicts the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and, that He is the supernatural agent in regeneration, baptizing all believers into the body of Christ, indwelling and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 1 Corinthians 12:12-14; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13,14).
b. We believe that He is the divine teacher who guides believers into all truth; and, that it is the privilege and duty of all the saved to be filled with the Spirit (John 16:13; 1 John 2:20,27; Ephesians 5:18).
5 The Total Depravity of Man
We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam’s sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and, that man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost condition (Genesis 1:26,27; Romans 3:22,23; 5:12; Ephesians 2:1-3, 12).
6 Salvation
We believe that salvation is the gift of God brought to man by grace and received by personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, whose precious blood was shed on Calvary for the forgiveness of our sins (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; Ephesians 1:7; 1 Peter 1:18,19).
7 The Eternal Security and Assurance of Believers
a. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved, are kept by God’s power and are thus secure in Christ forever (John 6:37-40;10:27-30; Romans 8:1,38,39;1 Corinthians 1:4-8; 1 Peter 1:5).
b. We believe that it is the privilege of believers to rejoice in the assurance of their salvation through the testimony of God’s Word; which, however, clearly forbids the use of Christian liberty as an occasion to the flesh (Romans 13:13,14; Galatians 5:13; Titus 2:11-15).
8 The Two Natures of the Believer
We believe that every saved person possesses two natures, with provision made for victory of the new nature over the old nature through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit; and, that all claims to the eradication of the old nature in this life are unscriptural (Romans 6:13; 8:12,13; Galatians 5:16-25; Ephesians 4:22-24; Colossians 3:10; 1 Peter 1:14-16; 1 John 3:5-9.
https://www.ifca.org/site/cpage.asp?cpage_id=140043234&sec_id=140007594
I had to leave several articles off, as it was twice as long as would fit hear. I figured this was best, because you can see a REAL Doctrinal Statement, of a church I was actually affiliated with. But this is the kind of BIBLICAL PROOF OF WHAT WE BELIEVE, that I have had to search for, to insure when we moved, we would find a Church that agrees with our Beliefs. I think that kind of search is an absolute necessity.
We had one bad experience that the Church Board had voted to change a major theological position about 3 years in, from Church Planting to eventually getting their own building. Many of us felt deceived, causing a church split with that eventually caused the church to close.
IT TAUGHT ME to ask MORE QUESTIONS OF A PASTOR.
Here is one from Independent Fundamental Churches of America. I have attended several IFCA Churches in my lifetime.
1 The Holy Scriptures
We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the verbally inspired Word of God, the final authority for faith and life, inerrant in the original writings, infallible and God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Matthew 5:18; John 16:12,13).
2 The Godhead
We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – coeternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; 2 Corinthians 13:14).
3 The Person and Work of Christ
a. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1,2,14; Luke 1:35).
b. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross for all mankind as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice, and that the sufficiency of this atoning sacrifice to accomplish the redemption and justification of all who trust in Him is assured by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24,25; 4:25; Ephesians 1:7; 1 Timothy 4:10; Hebrews 2:9; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 2:24; and 2 Peter 2:1).
c. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ ascended to heaven, and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9,10; Hebrews 9:24; 7:25; Romans 8:34; 1 John 2:1,2).
4 The Person and Work of the Holy Spirit
a. We believe that the Holy Spirit is a person who convicts the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and, that He is the supernatural agent in regeneration, baptizing all believers into the body of Christ, indwelling and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 1 Corinthians 12:12-14; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13,14).
b. We believe that He is the divine teacher who guides believers into all truth; and, that it is the privilege and duty of all the saved to be filled with the Spirit (John 16:13; 1 John 2:20,27; Ephesians 5:18).
5 The Total Depravity of Man
We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam’s sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and, that man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost condition (Genesis 1:26,27; Romans 3:22,23; 5:12; Ephesians 2:1-3, 12).
6 Salvation
We believe that salvation is the gift of God brought to man by grace and received by personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, whose precious blood was shed on Calvary for the forgiveness of our sins (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; Ephesians 1:7; 1 Peter 1:18,19).
7 The Eternal Security and Assurance of Believers
a. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved, are kept by God’s power and are thus secure in Christ forever (John 6:37-40;10:27-30; Romans 8:1,38,39;1 Corinthians 1:4-8; 1 Peter 1:5).
b. We believe that it is the privilege of believers to rejoice in the assurance of their salvation through the testimony of God’s Word; which, however, clearly forbids the use of Christian liberty as an occasion to the flesh (Romans 13:13,14; Galatians 5:13; Titus 2:11-15).
8 The Two Natures of the Believer
We believe that every saved person possesses two natures, with provision made for victory of the new nature over the old nature through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit; and, that all claims to the eradication of the old nature in this life are unscriptural (Romans 6:13; 8:12,13; Galatians 5:16-25; Ephesians 4:22-24; Colossians 3:10; 1 Peter 1:14-16; 1 John 3:5-9.
https://www.ifca.org/site/cpage.asp?cpage_id=140043234&sec_id=140007594
I had to leave several articles off, as it was twice as long as would fit hear. I figured this was best, because you can see a REAL Doctrinal Statement, of a church I was actually affiliated with. But this is the kind of BIBLICAL PROOF OF WHAT WE BELIEVE, that I have had to search for, to insure when we moved, we would find a Church that agrees with our Beliefs. I think that kind of search is an absolute necessity.
We had one bad experience that the Church Board had voted to change a major theological position about 3 years in, from Church Planting to eventually getting their own building. Many of us felt deceived, causing a church split with that eventually caused the church to close.
IT TAUGHT ME to ask MORE QUESTIONS OF A PASTOR.
I do not want to cause you not to study, because that is not Exercising your spiritual muscles for your Human Spirit. You see, I listened to Over 500 cassette tapes of sermons of mostly John MacArthur and Chuck Swindoll, OVER 4 times each, for years while at work. THAT WAS MY SPIRITUAL EXERCISE, while I sorted mail at night at the Post Office. Now I do not have a great deal of SCRIPTURE MEMORIZED, but those tapes FED MY Human Spirit.
I will tell you this TRUE story. Remember that I said "I do have a great deal of Scripture Memorized." THAT IS IMPORTANT.
I had my Grandson Joshua with me, and we were walking home from the Beach. (Yeah, I used to live 3 blocks from the beach in California.) Just as I got to my driveway, I notice the 2 Mormon Missionaries a block north had spotted me, and they came at me in HIGH GEAR. I hurried to get my Grandson in the House, and met them on my driveway just below the STEPS, BECAUSE I KNEW I COULD NOT LET THEM IN THE HOUSE.
WHY?
2 John 1:7-11 (HCSB)
7 Many deceivers have gone out into the world; they do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
8 Watch yourselves so you don’t lose what we have worked for, but that you may receive a full reward.
9 Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home, and don’t say, “Welcome,” to him;
11 for the one who says, “Welcome,” to him shares in his evil works.
You can CONFRONT in your driveway, but NOT IN YOUR HOME. WHY?
Because I lived in a Duplex Apartment and the Neighbor who is not a Christian, would be tempted to invite them in, KNOWING ME as a strong Christian. AND HE HAS NO DEFENSE AGAINST Mormons, who are controlled by evil spirits.
So I confronted them just off my steps.
They would start off with their memorized speech. Telling me about Joseph Smith, and what he taught.
BUT EVERY TIME the Holy Spirit in me would GIVE ME THE ANSWER, and my mouth came open, and OUT WOULD COME BOOK, CHAPTER, AND VERSE, and I QUOTED IT ACCURATELY. Saying, "Yeah, but that Contradicts what HE said in JOHN 1:1." And Yes, I know JOHN 1:1, but after that, every Verse, were verses that I did not KNOW. They went on, and the CORRECT Verse their false belief had just Contradicted, OUT WOULD COME BOOK, CHAPTER, AND VERSE, and I QUOTED IT ACCURATELY. AND that happened at least six more times. TOTALLY SIX MORE VERSES OF SCRIPTURES, THAT I HAD NEVER MEMORIZED, would pop out.
Then one of them Said "I don't see what that matters, because the Bible is FULL of contradictions." I told him, "Maybe your Bible is full of Contradiction, but my bible has No Contradictions in it." Then the Holy Spirit gave me the fastest way to get rid of Mormon Missionaries. I said, "There is only one thing that is wrong with believing what Joseph Smith taught; if you die believing it, you are going to hell!
My did they drop their spiel, instantly, got on their bikes. ONE went out of the DRIVEWAY, and the other rode round and round me, spouting about four times, "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE PRONOUNCING US TO HELL! " Out of the driveway they went, heading towards the Post Office where I work. I had a Mormon as a Postmaster, and they actually tried to get him to fire me. He said he can't. They even had him call the Head Chaplain at the Prison where I Volunteered, who was a Baptist, tried to get him to fire me. Chaplain Bob was laughing so hard when he called me, that I had to get him to repeat the story.
That is the only Time the Holy Spirit give me SCRIPTURE like that, but it solidifies MY FAITH, to where I can NEVER DOUBT THAT HE IS IN ME!
Who is our teacher? God.
15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point
you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
Phil 3
23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him,
and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not
my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
John 14
15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point
you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
Phil 3
23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him,
and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not
my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
John 14
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