Not By Works

[Macabeus]

Here is where our sin nature goes bye, bye; and we become perfect.

1 Corinthians 15:36-38 (HCSB)
36 Foolish one! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
37 And as for what you sow—you are not sowing the future body, but only a seed, perhaps of wheat or another grain.
38 But God gives it a body as He wants, and to each of the seeds its own body.

1 Corinthians 15:40 (HCSB)
40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is different from that of the earthly ones.

1 Corinthians 15:42-49 (HCSB)
42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead: Sown in corruption, raised in incorruption;
43 sown in dishonor, raised in glory; sown in weakness, raised in power;
44 sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual.
47 The first man was from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven.
48 Like the man made of dust, so are those who are made of dust; like the heavenly man, so are those who are heavenly.
49 And just as we have borne the image of the man made of dust, we will also bear the image of the heavenly man.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (HCSB)
51 Listen! I am telling you a mystery: We will not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
53 For this corruptible must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal must be clothed with immortality.
54 When this corruptible is clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal is clothed with immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: Death has been swallowed up in victory.


WE WILL NOT BE PERFECT, UNTIL THE RESURRECTION.

No doubt we will not be perfect until Christ comes. But a person who has the hope of the resurrection purifies himself (progressive and ongoing) as He is Pure (1 John 3:3) and is called to clea

Here is where our sin nature goes bye, bye; and we become perfect.

1 Corinthians 15:36-38 (HCSB)
36 Foolish one! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
37 And as for what you sow—you are not sowing the future body, but only a seed, perhaps of wheat or another grain.
38 But God gives it a body as He wants, and to each of the seeds its own body.

1 Corinthians 15:40 (HCSB)
40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is different from that of the earthly ones.

1 Corinthians 15:42-49 (HCSB)
42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead: Sown in corruption, raised in incorruption;
43 sown in dishonor, raised in glory; sown in weakness, raised in power;
44 sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual.
47 The first man was from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven.
48 Like the man made of dust, so are those who are made of dust; like the heavenly man, so are those who are heavenly.
49 And just as we have borne the image of the man made of dust, we will also bear the image of the heavenly man.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (HCSB)
51 Listen! I am telling you a mystery: We will not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
53 For this corruptible must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal must be clothed with immortality.
54 When this corruptible is clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal is clothed with immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: Death has been swallowed up in victory.


WE WILL NOT BE PERFECT, UNTIL THE RESURRECTION.

No doubt we will not be perfect until the resurrection. But everyone who has the hope of Christ's return and of the resurrection is purifying himself or herself, not to be saved, but because they are saved (descriptive language, not prescriptive, 1 John 3:3)

 

[Macabeus]

Salvation by grace through faith is a ONE off eternal event with present continuing results.....funny how some like Seohce, Peter and others cannot grasp this simple truth....it is a STAND ALONE event and is not subject to anything other than initial saving faith which Christ GIVES---->starts, finishes and completes............

I only know that every time I say anything about the part of your quote I put in red, someone accuses me of not believing in justification and salvation by faith alone, (which I believe heartily)

Regenerated through faith
.Justified through faith
sanctified throug faith
Kept by the power of God through faith

Notice, none of these things is accomplished by faith. They are all accomplished by the power of God THROUGH FAITH

Like I said before, we are not saved by works, but the works that God has done and does on our behalf save us.

 

[gb9]

I only know that every time I say anything about the part of your quote I put in red, someone accuses me of not believing in justification and salvation by faith alone, (which I believe heartily)

Regenerated through faith
.Justified through faith
sanctified throug faith
Kept by the power of God through faith

Notice, none of these things is accomplished by faith. They are all accomplished by the power of God THROUGH FAITH

Like I said before, we are not saved by works, but the works that God has done and does on our behalf save us.

what decon said is true, and it's good to see you agree with it. but, it all goes together, so maybe be careful about pounding individual points, that is where at times you come across as not agreeing ....

 

[Macabeus]

what decon said is true, and it's good to see you agree with it. but, it all goes together, so maybe be careful about pounding individual points, that is where at times you come across as not agreeing ....

What Dcon said is exactly the SAME THING I've been saying. Go back and read the posts of mine that you took issue with in light of the statement "salvation is a one time eternal event with continuing results". Everything I have said agrees with that.

The problem has not been what I said. It has been the way you have interpreted it. Because you assumed from the beginning that I did not believe in the security of the believer, and you were mistaken in that. You interpreted my statement through the lens of what you wrongly perceived me to be.

 

[gb9]

What Dcon said is exactly the SAME THING I've been saying. Go back and read the posts of mine that you took issue with in light of the statement "salvation is a one time eternal event with continuing results". Everything I have said agrees with that.

The problem has not been what I said. It has been the way you have interpreted it. Because you assumed from the beginning that I did not believe in the security of the believer, and you were mistaken in that. You interpreted my statement through the lens of what you wrongly perceived me to be.

fair enough. we will see how it goes.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

There is an apparent disconnect is theology and experience that is the real dispute, which is hidden
under accusations and disparaging comments.

We are saved through faith in Christ, which is demonstrated in our lives and our hearts.
The good soil is the only soil that bears plants that grow.

My challenge which is a reasonable challenge, if we are heirs of the promise of the Kingdom then we
should walk as children of the Kingdom, in maturity and love.

Reprobates lost in sin, will always claim they are saved, yet their lifestyle declares differently.
When the apostles declare we are to grow, sow, learn, develop, stand, not be shaken, carry through to
completion, you will never fall, there is nothing in him to make him stumble, this is a great place to get to.

Now only a reprobate whose heart is not filled with the Holy Spirit would oppose the aspiration of being
like Jesus, or walking like Him. This is our life, our song, our ambition in knowing God.

"May your Kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven."

So many recognise this prayer, spoken in truth and from the heart, while others it is just religious
sentimentality.

 

[Macabeus]

fair enough. we will see how it goes.

Yeah, sure. Carry on with your looking for evidence that I believe what I don't believe.

 

[Macabeus]

Yeah, sure. Carry on with your looking for evidence that I believe what I don't believe.

Or more properly, carry on with looking for evidence that I don't believe what I clearly professed to believe.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Salvation has to do with SAVING and BRINGING TO ETERNAL LIFE the Human Spirit, happens in an instant.

Sanctification, has to with conforming the Human Body, to be like the Born Again Human Spirit, and takes a life time.

Salvation - saving - bringing to eternal life.

11 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber,
because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.
Rom 13

Salvation can be used to mean entering heaven.

28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
Heb 9

24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
John 5

We are saved, because we dwell with Christ, filled with the Holy Spirit, redeemed, cleansed, purified, made whole,
taken from death to life. A reality of heaven come down to earth. To those who stay here, heaven is assured, it burns
eternally and will never fail. But the reason why is because this is the Kingdom, heaven is the passing of this mortal
existence, into the immortal reality of our new existence with Him.

But what of those, who never achieve maturity or find freedom from besetting sin, or the struggles of life, or the wounds
and troubles of the heart? If they stay true to Jesus in faith, they are secure.

I have found no security for those who live as reprobates or have given up the faith. If one dilutes the essential nature
of boundaries of behaviour, the power of love over evil, the nature of God in our hearts, and say touching life is enough,
one has given up on the realities of what love is, and what the cross means. I say this as an encouragement to Gods people,
because reprobates will always abide in sin and argue that is acceptable to God.

The more I read scripture, two verses jump out, time and again, reinforcing the message of our walk, of our victory, of
the Holy Spirit empowering His people to overcome. The path is one of discovery, effort, investment, searching, faith, risk,
sacrifice. Only at the end will we truly discover who is true and who was false, but that matters less, than meeting Jesus,
our glorious King and Lord. Amen

 

[corazondeldei]

If this is true then Jesus was not really saying the truth when He told the church in Sardis that He has found their deeds not complete in the sight of God and that they need to remember what they have heard and received, to obey it and repent? If you consider them as saved for believing what they have heard and received the very moment they believed, why would Jesus require them to obey and repent or else He will come like a thief? If they were saved yet reject Jesus what Jesus told them to do and death overtakes them, will they still remain saved?

There are people on CC who says that their sins in the past, present and future were all forgiven and they therefore do not need to ask forgiveness and repent. Some say that lying to the Holy Spirit is Ok, that blasphemy to the Holy Spirit is no longer unforgivable while some boldly declare that they are sinners who will keep sinning until they die but will still be saved. Some say that Matthew 28:19-20 does not apply to NT Christians but only for the Jews. They say that obedience to God has no bearing in salvation. Aren't these contrary to what you say that they obey because they were saved as they claim?

NIV1984 Isaiah 5:20-21
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.

NIV1984 Jude 1:4
For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

NIV1984 1 Timothy 6:3-5
If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

No deceiver would ever teach obedience to God and no true Christian would ever teach DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD.

NIV1984 Romans 15:14-18
Paul the Minister to the Gentiles I myself am convinced, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, complete in knowledge and competent to instruct one another. I have written you quite boldly on some points, as if to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. Therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God. I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—

Then Paul said,

NIV1984 Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him,

Paul suffered for Christ as He follows His example.

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

And just as it is written, Jesus learned OBEDIENCE from what He suffered.

NIV1984 Hebrews 5:8-9
Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.

It is therefore clear that Jesus is the source of salvation for those who obey Him because it is NOT BY FAITH ALONE and FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.(James 2:14-26)

NIV1984 James 2:24,26
You see that a person is justified by what he does and NOT BY FAITH ALONE... As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.

NIV1984 Revelation 3:1-3
...I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

So do not let anyone DECEIVE you. No deceiver would ever teach obedience to God and no true Christian would ever teach DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD.

NIV1984 2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

NIV1984 Jude 1:4
For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

 

[gb9]

Salvation - saving - bringing to eternal life.

11 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber,
because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.
Rom 13

Salvation can be used to mean entering heaven.

28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
Heb 9

24 "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
John 5

We are saved, because we dwell with Christ, filled with the Holy Spirit, redeemed, cleansed, purified, made whole,
taken from death to life. A reality of heaven come down to earth. To those who stay here, heaven is assured, it burns
eternally and will never fail. But the reason why is because this is the Kingdom, heaven is the passing of this mortal
existence, into the immortal reality of our new existence with Him.

But what of those, who never achieve maturity or find freedom from besetting sin, or the struggles of life, or the wounds
and troubles of the heart? If they stay true to Jesus in faith, they are secure.

I have found no security for those who live as reprobates or have given up the faith. If one dilutes the essential nature
of boundaries of behaviour, the power of love over evil, the nature of God in our hearts, and say touching life is enough,
one has given up on the realities of what love is, and what the cross means. I say this as an encouragement to Gods people,
because reprobates will always abide in sin and argue that is acceptable to God.

The more I read scripture, two verses jump out, time and again, reinforcing the message of our walk, of our victory, of
the Holy Spirit empowering His people to overcome. The path is one of discovery, effort, investment, searching, faith, risk,
sacrifice. Only at the end will we truly discover who is true and who was false, but that matters less, than meeting Jesus,
our glorious King and Lord. Amen

how can you know that you are free from sin when you do not even use the actual Biblical definition of sin to determine if you do so or not?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

how can you know that you are free from sin when you do not even use the actual Biblical definition of sin to determine if you do so or not?

My friend you do not believe Paul, your unbelief is very obvious.

17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly
obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.
18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Rom 6

13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge
the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.
14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself.
Gal 5

11 Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from
sinful desires, which war against your soul.
12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing
wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.
1 Peter 2

We have victory through faith in Jesus and the forgiveness of sins through the cross.
Those who have walked in this reality know of what I am speaking, because it echoes
in their heart. To the rest it appears merely as words, with no power.

You can only testify to what is your experience as Paul says

16 To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life.
2 Cor 2

 

[FollowHisSteps]

If one holds faith in Jesus yet is a slave to sin and a pattern of life that does not testify to
the Holy Spirit in ones heart, what is one?

Not saved. This is not said as condemnation, but just as a reality. It does not mean you
cannot find the reality in Jesus, it means you need to search for it deeper.

A hard heart always hides from itself that it is hard. We only know how hard we are, when
we know we should respond, we are cut off from that response, as if it should appear.
There are testimonies of so many who know the idea of Jesus, yet He has never connected.

Jesus took me as a teenager, and over time showed me how constrained and filtered I was.
He then demonstrated His love. It blew me away. It was on a scale I cannot compare.
His knowledge of lostness, motivations, protection, status, possession, importance was something
I could only just grasp. I was alone, lost, without a foundation, wondering where to go.

But then I knew I had to step out and put my faith in him. Now I had done evangelism, talked at
length about Jesus, religion, ideas, faith. But something changed, deeper than ever before. It is
a walk, a learning, a growth, something profound, so deep it never leaves one.

Peter knew Jesus yet denied Him. Our walk is full of different realities, tests, refining, Many a
saint has been challenged to just witness even if they die. Praise God they walk through and into
His arms. Jesus is eternal, His truth will never end. And our hearts calling is to understand and
know Him and His will. And the outflow of this, is obeying is not a burden, it is our hearts desire.

But until you find this place, it will seem like a dream, but you can find it, if you truly want to.
But it always comes at a price, and knowing this is part of the walk, another step along the way.
Amen.

12 Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it.
I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem,
which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.
Rev 3

 

[star]

OOPs posted in another slot. Anyway, I'm back. My husband is experiencing a possible difficulty but we are confident in the Lord's Help.

Was I missed?

 

[Chester]

AMEN and I agree for sure.........there have been many that have come on line with the truth due to the incessant Stand some of us have made in this thread......

Yes and amen - by observing the character, attitude, and Scriptural interpretations of some here I have come to understand more clearly and deeply than ever before that believers are saved by grace through faith, and that then we become the beautiful workmanship of God through Christ Jesus.

 

[VCO]

No doubt we will not be perfect until Christ comes. But a person who has the hope of the resurrection purifies himself (progressive and ongoing) as He is Pure (1 John 3:3) and is called to clea


No doubt we will not be perfect until the resurrection. But everyone who has the hope of Christ's return and of the resurrection is purifying himself or herself, not to be saved, but because they are saved (descriptive language, not prescriptive, 1 John 3:3)

Now I did not say what you are implying, did I ? ? ?


1 John 2:29 (ESV)
29 If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.


And everyone who practices righteousness WILL get better at it, just like an athelete. However we will not be capable of playing a perfect game until after the RESURRECTION.

1 Corinthians 9:24-27 (HCSB)
24 Don’t you know that the runners in a stadium all race, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way to win the prize.
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away.
26 Therefore I do not run like one who runs aimlessly or box like one beating the air.
27 Instead, I discipline my body and bring it under strict control, so that after preaching to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

OBEDIENCE is a byproduct of LOVE, a GIVEN.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.


PERIOD!

 

[VCO]

NIV1984 Romans 15:14-18
Paul the Minister to the Gentiles I myself am convinced, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, complete in knowledge and competent to instruct one another. I have written you quite boldly on some points, as if to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. Therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God. I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—

Then Paul said,

NIV1984 Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him,

Paul suffered for Christ as He follows His example.

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 11:1
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

And just as it is written, Jesus learned OBEDIENCE from what He suffered.

NIV1984 Hebrews 5:8-9
Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.

It is therefore clear that Jesus is the source of salvation for those who obey Him because it is NOT BY FAITH ALONE and FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.(James 2:14-26)

NIV1984 James 2:24,26
You see that a person is justified by what he does and NOT BY FAITH ALONE... As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.

NIV1984 Revelation 3:1-3
...I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

So do not let anyone DECEIVE you. No deceiver would ever teach obedience to God and no true Christian would ever teach DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD.

NIV1984 2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

NIV1984 Jude 1:4
For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

OBEDIENCE is PART OF GOD's LOVE that the HOLY SPIRIT poured into out hearts (human spirit) at the birth of our spirit, which SAVED US the first moment we genuinely BELIEVED. Rom. 5:5

IT NEVER HAS BE PART OF SALVATION.

SAVED FIRST, then you learn to OBEY.

 

[stonesoffire]

If we look at what John the Baptist said, perhaps we will understand simply what it means to be purified.

He must increase; as I must decrease. Be filled with Holy Spirit.

For eternal life, look to the blood sacrifice alone for this pure blood, no sin nor disease lives before Father forever interceding for us. Merciful justice.

Realizing we are one with the Lord...One identical Spirit, the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead is our victory over all things.

And the process is by looking at Jesus, the pattern Son.

 

[stonesoffire]

If one holds faith in Jesus yet is a slave to sin and a pattern of life that does not testify to
the Holy Spirit in ones heart, what is one?

Not saved. This is not said as condemnation, but just as a reality. It does not mean you
cannot find the reality in Jesus, it means you need to search for it deeper.

A hard heart always hides from itself that it is hard. We only know how hard we are, when
we know we should respond, we are cut off from that response, as if it should appear.
There are testimonies of so many who know the idea of Jesus, yet He has never connected.

Jesus took me as a teenager, and over time showed me how constrained and filtered I was.
He then demonstrated His love. It blew me away. It was on a scale I cannot compare.
His knowledge of lostness, motivations, protection, status, possession, importance was something
I could only just grasp. I was alone, lost, without a foundation, wondering where to go.

But then I knew I had to step out and put my faith in him. Now I had done evangelism, talked at
length about Jesus, religion, ideas, faith. But something changed, deeper than ever before. It is
a walk, a learning, a growth, something profound, so deep it never leaves one.

Peter knew Jesus yet denied Him. Our walk is full of different realities, tests, refining, Many a
saint has been challenged to just witness even if they die. Praise God they walk through and into
His arms. Jesus is eternal, His truth will never end. And our hearts calling is to understand and
know Him and His will. And the outflow of this, is obeying is not a burden, it is our hearts desire.

But until you find this place, it will seem like a dream, but you can find it, if you truly want to.
But it always comes at a price, and knowing this is part of the walk, another step along the way.
Amen.

12 Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it.
I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem,
which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.
Rev 3

If one holds faith in Jesus yet is a slave to sin and a pattern of life that does not testify to
the Holy Spirit in ones heart, what is one?

Perhaps pagan gentiles such as Paul had to teach?

 

[VCO]

Once the moment of the human spirit is being saved into eternal life, the rest is conforming the physical body into the saved human spirit, is what you are saying

We PRACTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS, to conform our Human Body to be like CHRIST, or our Human Spirit, and that will take a lifetime.

Anything that We PRACTICE daily, we will become better and better at at.

Psalm 106:3 (NASB)
3 How blessed are those who keep justice, Who practice righteousness at all times!

1 John 2:29 (ESV)
29 If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.


Think about this, we are the one's who PRACTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS.

The Children of the Devil, NEVER have the lifestyle Characteristic of one who PRACTICES RIGHTEOUSNESS.