Not By Works
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I have never seen one that whines that much and or absolutely cannot be true to the facts because of being right in his own mind......he is still flapping after Rose asked him to stay on track with this thread......he is as bad as Peter.......I am done with his rigmarole....all he has is false accusations and strife.......
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Perfect explanation. 
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By the way...did you see the above post and HOW this whole deal got started....If I remember right it started with junior taking exception to me saying that a period of growth and maturity is required before one bears fruit........anyway......NO longer care what HE has to say....I am still looking for Tomatoes, Apple trees, Black Berry plants and Strawberry plants that INSTANTLY produce.........do you know where I can buy some?
Mac's theology is a potpourri of dead works and scrambled scripture. It doesn't take long to expose him. He basically backs himself into a corner almost immediately.
I'm not too concerned about him. He knows just enough to make himself look foolish, but not enough to be effective in what he's trying to do - which is put everyone back under the Law.
I'm not too concerned about him. He knows just enough to make himself look foolish, but not enough to be effective in what he's trying to do - which is put everyone back under the Law.
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I think the real intention of this thread is to peddle a false man made doctrine such as OSAS to divide the believers by going against and devouring each other through this doctrines deception when it is very clear that when Paul writes his letters, he begins it by teaching about FAITH and concludes with OBEDIENCE to God. Paul did not ever teach that ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED through faith ALONE. But everyone should be able to see the reason why we were made one in Christ. It is to do the good works which He prepared in advance for us to do (Ephesians 210)...and
"therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
NIV1984 John 15:4-6
Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. “I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
bearing fruit FOR THE GLORY OF GOD.
Created IN Christ Jesus to be His body prepared for works of service...in that body which He will save.
We are parts of that body and "from him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work."
"All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
"Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen."
"therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
NIV1984 John 15:4-6
Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. “I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
bearing fruit FOR THE GLORY OF GOD.
Created IN Christ Jesus to be His body prepared for works of service...in that body which He will save.
We are parts of that body and "from him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work."
"All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
"Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen."
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You believe too little and live in unbelief that Jesus changes us into a new creation, born again,
starting from scratch, like a new Child with the Holy Spirit indwelling each believer to lead them
into eternal life, the ways of God, the power of the cross and the risen Lord.
Jesus keeps His promises for those who believe Him and purify and cleanse their hearts by
repentance and faith, giving no limits to His work in our lives, and resting on the power
of obedience to His word that builds upon the rock.
Our security is the cross of Christ, victory over sin and death. I praise God that each step of
this foundation is becoming clearer and those with hard hearts, unpurified consciences, who
condemn the wrong people for the wrong reasons and preach a different gospel. But thanks
be to God, nothing can prevail against His truth and His life in our hearts, Thank You Jesus,
Amen.
starting from scratch, like a new Child with the Holy Spirit indwelling each believer to lead them
into eternal life, the ways of God, the power of the cross and the risen Lord.
Jesus keeps His promises for those who believe Him and purify and cleanse their hearts by
repentance and faith, giving no limits to His work in our lives, and resting on the power
of obedience to His word that builds upon the rock.
Our security is the cross of Christ, victory over sin and death. I praise God that each step of
this foundation is becoming clearer and those with hard hearts, unpurified consciences, who
condemn the wrong people for the wrong reasons and preach a different gospel. But thanks
be to God, nothing can prevail against His truth and His life in our hearts, Thank You Jesus,
Amen.
The following is a comparison between the bible and salvation losers......and make no mistake...this is exactly what they peddle and or how they butcher the word of God by their losable salvation....
Bible --> I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us
Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us
Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers ---> WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us
Bible --> He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do
Bible --> Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God
Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them
Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD
Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept
Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept
Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil
Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep
Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved
Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again
Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved
ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!1
Bible --> I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us
Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us
Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers ---> WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us
Bible --> He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do
Bible --> Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God
Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them
Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD
Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept
Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept
Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil
Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep
Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved
Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again
Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved
ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!1
I suggest a study of the GREEK word translated IN and then apply it to being IN CHRIST and our LIFE HID WITHIN CHRIST......when GOD looks at one who has been born from above he sees the RIGHTEOUSNESS and BLOOD of his SON and lest we forget JESUS TOOK EVERY SIN and our very fallen NATURE and applied it to himself ON THE CROSS and exactly why we have been rendered INNOCENT even though we are guilty!
WHEN I SEE the blood I WILL PASS OVER YOU!!
IT is finished = PAID in full <--a legal ACCOUNTING TERM.........
Therefore we conclude that a MAN is JUSTIFIED by faith without the deeds/works of the LAW....
Justified <----RENDERED legally INNOCENT ETERNALLY <---THE GRACE and MERCY OF GOD endure FOREVER
WHEN I SEE the blood I WILL PASS OVER YOU!!
IT is finished = PAID in full <--a legal ACCOUNTING TERM.........
Therefore we conclude that a MAN is JUSTIFIED by faith without the deeds/works of the LAW....
Justified <----RENDERED legally INNOCENT ETERNALLY <---THE GRACE and MERCY OF GOD endure FOREVER
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The truth is many have never met Jesus or known the power of the cross and
the resurrection. All the promises only apply to those who are truly born again,
with open hearts walking in the light, with the fruits of repentance and obedience
to Christ. Little wonder when preachers who reject the sermon on the mount and
claim the promises are so hard hearted and have no clue about our true foundations
in Jesus.
the resurrection. All the promises only apply to those who are truly born again,
with open hearts walking in the light, with the fruits of repentance and obedience
to Christ. Little wonder when preachers who reject the sermon on the mount and
claim the promises are so hard hearted and have no clue about our true foundations
in Jesus.