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Nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
As plain as day.............
As plain as day.............
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3 So watch yourselves. "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.
4 If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."
5 The apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith!"
Luke 17
We are commanded to forgive if someone repents.
Imagine a guy comes up to you and hits you in the face.
They come up later and say, I changed my mind and hits you again.
They repented according to some, so you now have to forgive them.
I do not think anyone would agree with you, and would actually
say they are not sorry for their sin or want to get back to good relations.
Now some are arguing this is how God will behave when beleivers hit him in the
face continually day in day out, and change their mind, and continue doing the same.
It is literally this insane, and no one would do anything than throw these people out.
So if this is your faith, get ready for "I never knew you. Go away you evil doers"
4 If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."
5 The apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith!"
Luke 17
We are commanded to forgive if someone repents.
Imagine a guy comes up to you and hits you in the face.
They come up later and say, I changed my mind and hits you again.
They repented according to some, so you now have to forgive them.
I do not think anyone would agree with you, and would actually
say they are not sorry for their sin or want to get back to good relations.
Now some are arguing this is how God will behave when beleivers hit him in the
face continually day in day out, and change their mind, and continue doing the same.
It is literally this insane, and no one would do anything than throw these people out.
So if this is your faith, get ready for "I never knew you. Go away you evil doers"
We're not talking about PERFECTION in fruit bearing, we were talking about fruit bearing period. You said it takes a period of growth and maturity to bear ANYTHING. Why is that? What does a new Christian need that he or she doesn't already have?
a. A new Christian can bear fruit by sharing their testimony
b. A new Christian can bear fruit by intercessory prayer
c. A new Christian can bear fruit by supporting a ministry financially.
None of these take a NECESSARY period of growth and maturity.
a. A new Christian can bear fruit by sharing their testimony
b. A new Christian can bear fruit by intercessory prayer
c. A new Christian can bear fruit by supporting a ministry financially.
None of these take a NECESSARY period of growth and maturity.
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Andrew bore fruit the day he met Jesus. Peter was his fruit as he brought him to Jesus. (John 1:40-42)
Philip bore fruit the day Jesus called him (John 1:43-50)
The Samaritan woman bore fruit the day she met Jesus. (John 4). She brought the whole village to see Jesus.
Plus, love was not the only fruit John talked about. He also talked about OBEDIENCE.
Philip bore fruit the day Jesus called him (John 1:43-50)
The Samaritan woman bore fruit the day she met Jesus. (John 4). She brought the whole village to see Jesus.
Plus, love was not the only fruit John talked about. He also talked about OBEDIENCE.
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Yeah, if that happens, obviously you have people in your pocket, BECAUSE referring to a person's stance on lying to the Holy Spirit is not the same as accusing them of lying to the Holy Spirit. Go back and read the post where you said Argueless accused you of lying to the Holy Spirit, and read them over and over again until you COMPREHEND what he said. Because yo no comprende.
Do you know what a conditional statement is? John said"IF" we confess, (protasis) God is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse. (apodosis). If you have a problem with confession of sin to receive forgiveness and cleansing for believers, take it up with John (and God)
It is not salvific. It takes away barriers in fellowship.
It is not salvific. It takes away barriers in fellowship.
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i want to say something: if you are the person who thinks that not by works means not by works of animal sacrifices, circumcision, diet laws etc. but its still by deeds done in righteousness. you are wrong friend. why? i say this not to spite or debate but in love.
ephesians 2:8-9 says not of works lest any man boast, if its something you can do then there is a boasting. that takes away the idea that its some works of righteousness. titus 3:5 that i quoted earlier also says not by works of righteousness which we have done, just lke 2 timothy 1:9.
this is why i think the interpretation that not of works just means circumcision, diet laws and animal sacrifices is false. you can still boast in your level of obedience and turning the other cheek and giving to the poor and getting victory over sin.
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
1 Corinthians 1:27-29 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.
weak in the world? i meet qualifications lolz. i right now im struggling to put socks on my feet due to back pain.
ephesians 2:8-9 says not of works lest any man boast, if its something you can do then there is a boasting. that takes away the idea that its some works of righteousness. titus 3:5 that i quoted earlier also says not by works of righteousness which we have done, just lke 2 timothy 1:9.
this is why i think the interpretation that not of works just means circumcision, diet laws and animal sacrifices is false. you can still boast in your level of obedience and turning the other cheek and giving to the poor and getting victory over sin.
Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
1 Corinthians 1:27-29 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.
weak in the world? i meet qualifications lolz. i right now im struggling to put socks on my feet due to back pain.
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You are right, we are justified by our faith in Jesus.
But if you think faith in Jesus does not change us into His likeness, whether slowly or
dramatically, and He compromises with sin as biblically defined and as the Holy Spirit
convicts our hearts then probably this is no faith at all.
Faith in Jesus is faith in Him completing His work to present us perfect and blameless
in Him at His return.
But if you think faith in Jesus does not change us into His likeness, whether slowly or
dramatically, and He compromises with sin as biblically defined and as the Holy Spirit
convicts our hearts then probably this is no faith at all.
Faith in Jesus is faith in Him completing His work to present us perfect and blameless
in Him at His return.
Amen. This might sound harsh, but there are some who believe we should stay as we are
compromised and defeated and this is what Jesus expected.
I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26:20
You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
James 2:22
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.
1 Cor 9:21
Faith is only real when action is done as a result.
Faith without action is just thought faith, nothing more.
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Romans 10:9-10
'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
Matt 22:37
Love of God captivates everything that we are in Christ, to have this without it outworking
it is not real.
compromised and defeated and this is what Jesus expected.
I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26:20
You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
James 2:22
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10
To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.
1 Cor 9:21
Faith is only real when action is done as a result.
Faith without action is just thought faith, nothing more.
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Romans 10:9-10
'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
Matt 22:37
Love of God captivates everything that we are in Christ, to have this without it outworking
it is not real.
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Again, Be careful bro. Notice how manipulative he was.
1. He stated we shoud confront people with sin, But is non responsive and quite defensive when we confront him of his, in fact he denies it is even sin
2. He says there are some people who think we should stay as we are. Which is his continual lie and slanderous statement about people he refuses to listen to people. Mocks them, and then claims we do not have a right to say what we believe, that he has the right to tell us what we believe.
He is not honest and you will not have much conversation.
1. He stated we shoud confront people with sin, But is non responsive and quite defensive when we confront him of his, in fact he denies it is even sin
2. He says there are some people who think we should stay as we are. Which is his continual lie and slanderous statement about people he refuses to listen to people. Mocks them, and then claims we do not have a right to say what we believe, that he has the right to tell us what we believe.
He is not honest and you will not have much conversation.
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You need a paid subscription in order to initiate private conversations with other members
(and you also get other forum and chat benefits).
This helps protect our system from abuse and also helps fund our site.
A ONE YEAR subscription is only $24 (one time, not recurring), so that's only $2 per month.
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i will not be paying for anything im not that good financial now. but maybe i will just ask you here more about dispensationalism: do you believe this current dispensation began at pentecost? i think that fits best