Not By Works

[FollowHisSteps]

5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;
6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness;
7 and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.
8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.
10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure.
For if you do these things, you will never fall,
2 Peter 1

These are all great aspirations if you have real faith.
Real faith has righteousness of faith, righteousness of heart and righteousness of action

We are saved by faith, which cleanses and purifies our heart which is shown in our behaviour.

If we believe in Jesus but close our hearts we have no saving faith and no fruit.
My question is, what about people who confess Jesus will spouting bile. Where are they?

 

[Macabeus]

He says to add all and IF THESE (PLURAL) be in you.....the reference is to ALL......

So when are you going to add gentleness? Does this mean you are not bearing fruit?

 

[dcontroversal]

Listen....if you think a negative remark is above board for telling ROSE what I told her...do not ever address me again....it was STUPID and RETARDED and your use of it to prove a point really proves that you are just being ignorant......do not address me any more....I am done with you and your lack of honesty. Back to the ignore bin until you can be honest and have integrity!!

 

[Rosemaryx]

So when are you going to add gentleness? Does this mean you are not bearing fruit?

DCon is a Warrior when it comes to the Word of God , no doubt about it , yet as a brother in Christ on a one to one , he is an honest , open gentleman who bares all the fruit of the Holy Spirit , you just do not know him...xox...

 

[Macabeus]

Exactly......he even states as much and gives ALL glory to GOD before he takes Goliath down.......

He says to add all and IF THESE (PLURAL) be in you.....the reference is to ALL......

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

It does not say the one who abides in Jesus will (future tense) bear fruit, he said the same does bring forth fruit (present tense)

How long does a believer have to mature before he abides in Jesus?

 

[dcontroversal]

DCon is a Warrior when it comes to the Word of God , no doubt about it , yet as a brother in Christ on a one to one , he is an honest , open gentleman who bares all the fruit of the Holy Spirit , you just do not know him...xox...

Thanks sis.......You know me and have seen it all........

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Listen....if you think a negative remark is above board for telling ROSE what I told her...do not ever address me again....it was STUPID and RETARDED and your use of it to prove a point really proves that you are just being ignorant......

I wish people would realise, we do not know what people intend in their posts or
why they post, but judging them and insulting them is not the Lords way.

It is like the points made here though keenly felt have impact on only a very small
group of people, and is not of great importance, except as it helps us in our walk
with the Lord and maybe encourages others.

Praise the Lord He blesses me greatly and has given me great insights into His word
and gospel that daily challenge me and make me desire to grow more in Him.
God bless you all.

 

[Macabeus]

By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name. Hebrews 13:15

How long does a person have to mature before they can praise God?

 

[Macabeus]

Thanks sis.......You know me and have seen it all........

Well, he shouldn't be calling people idiots and stupid and meatballs. I only know him by his words, and this is what I see almost every time I read his posts.

 

[Argueless]

Seoche, your deception, twist of what we all say, lack of honesty and credibility and false gospel is well known to most on this site....my position has never changed, you on the other hand vacillate, embellish, use deceitful tactics and devalue Christ by your anti-bible, psychological, pathetic false gospel.....exactly why most have you on ignore..........

...If anyone teaches FALSE DOCTRINES and does not agree to the SOUND INSTRUCTION of our Lord Jesus Christ and to GODLY TEACHING, he is CONCEITED and UNDERSTANDS NOTHING. He has an unhealthy interest in CONTROVERSIES and QUARRELS ABOUT WORDS that result in envy, strife, MALICIOUS TALK, EVIL SUSPICIONS and CONSTANT FRICTION between men of corrupt mind, who have been ROBBED OF THE TRUTH and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

So what is your stance Mr. IDEA or is it Mr. RIGHT or whatever, about LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT? Is it the same as Budman's stance on the matter? Pls share us your amazing and irrefutable ideas for our information.[[/QUOTE]

 

[Macabeus]

I wish people would realise, we do not know what people intend in their posts or
why they post, but judging them and insulting them is not the Lords way.

.

Amen. The words we type are just as important as the words that come off our tongues.

 

[Macabeus]

Thanks sis.......You know me and have seen it all........

I'm just trying to change the culture around here. That is why I am doing this. DC, you are very influential here. Calling people names is not a good example. It would be such a better forum if we showed Christian gentleness and meekness.

Well, nothing more for me here. Farewell.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

DCon is a Warrior when it comes to the Word of God , no doubt about it , yet as a brother in Christ on a one to one , he is an honest , open gentleman who bares all the fruit of the Holy Spirit , you just do not know him...xox...

Have you ever seen Al Caponne, he was a gentleman, to those he cared about, but something quite
different in reality.

It is amazing to watch this interplay, because it is impossible to distinguish between flattery
and truth in the Lord. The fruit of the spirit is quite specific,

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Gal 5

You are a great woman to care deeply for your son, and to see the Lord help you through
these struggles and trials. We are called to be simple givers of love and life, not warriors,
or painters of some evil enemy. The only evil is in ourselves and us not seeing Gods will
work out. Our hope is in Christ building a new creation in us, and knowing one step at
a time. God bless you

 

[Macabeus]

Postscript- I had to add for those who kept saying "sensitive much" and "don't be so easily offended"...

If I was offended, those would be inappropriate responses. What if I was a weak Christian and your words caused me to stumble. Let no man put a stumblingblock before his brother, and if anyone offends one of these little ones, it were better that a millstone were tied around his neck and he were cast into the sea.

Our words have a far greater impact than we know

Cheers

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Amen. The words we type are just as important as the words that come off our tongues.

To be honest if these conversations were had in a house group, certain people
would be excluded very quickly.

Once one goes from scripture to suggesting people are in someways dishonest etc.
you have gone outside following Jesus and into an area of not having fellowship.

You will notice though who desires to create such concepts. Paul desires the opposite

11 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,
12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Eph 4

Put simply scripture calls us to walk righteously, in purity and love.
The question once people can accept this is Gods calling to us, is how?

But those who hate this suggestion, because it suggests they do not know Jesus,
will fight with everything they have got to deny God is for righteous walking.

What is deceptive is how some will say, no one is against righteous walking and
then deny it is possible. The sad truth is we are limited by our emotions to what
we can cope with in scripture and in our failures and struggles.

So seriously some take this debate, they call it an eternal struggle and one side
are the "picts" overwhelming the faithful. If you have this mindset, they will do
anything to create disturbance. So be aware some come with aggressive intent.

 

[Melach]

False again PETEY..........the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.....the problem is with religionists that make eternal life temporary and or based upon what WE DO........that is false, not of GOD, satanic and devalues Christ, his work and his gift....!!

galatians 3:3 which crushed my soul

cant start with spirit and end with human effort. the man i listened to a lot was called mike desario. he is gone now, i hope to be with the Lord despite his errors, but God only knows.

i cant prove it but i believe religionists as you called it its a spirit. there is a spirit behind it i believe. it causes people to be separated from other christians because nobody else is really saved then you always feel anxiety inside about what other people are doing and the pressure is on. cant even enjoy coffee break. you could say i went overboard. i think its ecclesiastes that says eat your food with joy.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

galatians 3:3 which crushed my soul

cant start with spirit and end with human effort. the man i listened to a lot was called mike desario. he is gone now, i hope to be with the Lord despite his errors, but God only knows.

i cant prove it but i believe religionists as you called it its a spirit. there is a spirit behind it i believe. it causes people to be separated from other christians because nobody else is really saved then you always feel anxiety inside about what other people are doing and the pressure is on. cant even enjoy coffee break. you could say i went overboard. i think its ecclesiastes that says eat your food with joy.

3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
gal 3

It is easy to confuse two issues.
Paul is saying walking in love, a cleansed heart working things out in our actions and words,
takes time and abiding in Christ. But it is Christ working in us to bring about His work.

The Galatians wanted to have signs of righteousness, obeying the law through obedience to
circumcision and everything associated with Moses and the law.

This is not us not responding to God love in our hearts and working out how to love others.
I suggest you read the sermon on the mount and ask what is Jesus saying we should do.
Matt 5-7. It is quite simple really, this is the way to life, the way to perfection and being
like Him. But it is only one step at a time. And it is always washed in Gods love and life.

Amen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yesterday, peter straight up told me that emotions and feelings create reality. so, if someone's views are controlled by feelings and not facts, it is a waste of time to try to have a realistic interaction with them..

Peter said when he was peter. So par for the course.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

What do you say to people who have little emotional life and are very static?

Are they alive or dead?

For Jesus to be alive in us and active, for us to bond with others, cry tears of joy
and sadness, to weep with those who weep, to rejoice with those who rejoice
we will need a good emotional life and a loving caring heart.

So if we are dead to the world, flat lining, emotionally, are we mature in Christ
or is there something He can do in us?

I have this hope, that in Christ all things are possible and there is hope for
such as these. I have been in that place of denial, and depression, so I know its
pain and imprisonment. And I know the joys of Christs and His victory, so I have
faith that bringing the two together can bring healing and life everlasting.

So I say rejoice again I say rejoice. Amen, God bless you, there is always hope
in the darkest places, because God will go there and pull you out if you will call
unto Him, Amen.

 

[Argueless]

Seoche, your deception, twist of what we all say, lack of honesty and credibility and false gospel is well known to most on this site....my position has never changed, you on the other hand vacillate, embellish, use deceitful tactics and devalue Christ by your anti-bible, psychological, pathetic false gospel.....exactly why most have you on ignore..........

I see how quickly you have responded to other posters but always fail to answer my question...anyway, I'll just presume that you have placed me on ignore and you cannot read my posts but will respond when the TRUTH hurts the PRIDE and EGO...and this must be what being honest and with integrity means.

...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, WHO CHANGE THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and DENY Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. ...These men are GRUMBLERS and FAULTFINDERS; they follow their own evil desires; they BOAST ABOUT THEMSELVES and FLATTER OTHERS for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” THESE ARE THE MEN WHO DIVIDE YOU, who follow mere natural instincts and DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT. Jude 1:4,16-19

...As the body WITHOUT THE SPIRIT is DEAD, so faith without deeds is dead.
James 2:26

...For the kingdom of God is NOT A MATTER OF TALK but of POWER. 1 Corinthians 4:20

...But you will receive POWER when the HOLY SPIRIT comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8

...Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “WAKE UP, O sleeper, RISE FROM THE DEAD, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:11-14