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Melach said:
macabeus already answered this good here:

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/not-by-works.146296/page-4830#post-3897892

i already also posted leviticus the difference between willful rebellion high handed sin and unwillful sin. like accidenatlly going over speed limit due to ignorance, is not the same as adultery. the only reason people claim that is to justify sin while claiming not to justify sin.

both are true both are in the epistle of john. its about your life. if your life is characterized by keeping the commandments of God. nobody is expecting Jesus like obedience. God is expecting a clean heart yielding to Him to the best of their abilities, a loving serving humble servant. His commands are not grievous. remember the epistle of john was about gnostics who believed they had no sin in the spirit, only flesh had sin. much like some cults today teach.

1 corinthians 6:9-10
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So, what you are saying is "Do your best to keep God's law and let God do the rest"?
 
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Macabeus said:
So why am I fruit inspecting when I never said Mr. or Mrs. in my comments? You put one standard on yourself and an entirely different standard on me. What is the word that describes that?
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You have completely confused me...I never said your were fruit inspecting.
 
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Guojing said:
So, what you are saying is "Do your best to keep God's law and let God do the rest"?
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Philippians 2:12-13
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
 
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Man...gotta love the UNSECURED SITE that allows fools to join with idiotic names and then start plastering the thread with angry faces and negative remarks........and the spam killer is not working!!!!
 
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Well...made leg one of my trip from Sydney to LAX......wooohoooo no sleep and jet jag city....how are the peeps doing.....??
 
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Budman said:
Hardly. I have a very "anti-hypocrite" attitude.
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Haha no doubt.....any odds on which fool it is that was banned and back every day with a different stupid name spamming the thread with angry negative faces....?
 
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Budman said:
It's not foolish at all. It's a logical question. If there is a standard we must live up to in order to retain salvation, what is the tipping point?

The problem is you got backed into a corner and are looking for a way out.

You seem to like the "cheating wife" scenario, but even a single lie attributed to us will damn us.
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Break the least = guilty of the whole........
 
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Macabeus said:
Nice truism. Like saying a hungry dog is hungry.

But is all faith salvific faith? How do we know if our faith is salvific according to 1 John 2:3, 3:14, and 3:18?

I think we have established that everyone who said I was fruit inspecting were guilty of false accusations. Will there be any retractions? Of course not. It has been clearly shown that such people are not concerned with truth, but rather only care about defending their unbalanced theology. Not saying you are one, UG, but you did fall in with a mob effect with a bunch of people who this description is applicable.
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There is no mob effect it is just being challenged, I am challenged on many threads, tongues being one, I do not take it personally and say they are being a mob.

Salvific faith is defined in that it results in salvation/justification, that is why it described with the word salvific.
 
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Budman said:
Again, what good deeds can a Christian do that an atheist cannot? You realize Mormons do TONS of good works.

Does that prove they're saved?
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The majority will claim Jesus as Lord and expect to enter based on the MANY WONDERFUL WORKS they have done in his name.....and they will bust hell wide open just like Cain and Judas did......
 
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dcontroversal said:
Man...gotta love the UNSECURED SITE that allows fools to join with idiotic names and then start plastering the thread with angry faces and negative remarks........and the spam killer is not working!!!!
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Yes worrisome.
 
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UnderGrace said:
There is no mob effect it is just being challenged, I am challenged on many threads, tongues being one, I do not take it personally and say they are being a mob.

Salvific faith is defined in that it results in salvation/justification, that is why it described with the word salvific.
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Is somebody whining about being ganged up on!!
 
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Budman said:
So, continual belief is a requirement?
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Another misnomer....Jesus BEGINS, FINISHES AND COMPLETES THE WORK OF FAITH IN US....this continual belief drivel is not in the bible......salvation is a once off event based upon initial faith....JESUS LOSES NOTHING and keeps us by his power...!!
 
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Macabeus said:
The fact that I was falsely accused of "inspecting fruit" by several people, yet NO ONE can give a specific example of me doing so, is clear evidence that there are several people in these forums who have a herd mentality. This phenomena exists to such a degree that they will follow a lie merely because others said it, without testing it to see if it is true.

This needed to be pointed out, because I noticed that there is basically a "gang" here that gangs up on people who disagree with them. I guess that's OK, UNTIL you start propagating false accusations and insults. Then it becomes theological thuggery.

This thread is RIDDLED with theological thuggery.
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I think the debate/discussion was is this what you believe from scripture, not what you actually do.
 
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