Not By Works

[PeterJens]

Now holding a good faith position and walking in love is now the enemy to some.
This is how kingdoms are brought down through civil war.

The enemy without is irrelevant it is the enemy within who must be dealt with.
And why? Because they dare to listen to Jesus and put His words into effect.

The catholics killed anabaptists, and the protestants killed the anabaptists.
So it looks like another group have appeared to hate faithful believers in
Christ, called to follow and be lights in a dark world.

 

[dcontroversal]

I know what point your trying to make. I am trying to get you to see a point, you want me to say they repented, and their salvation was as dependent on this, otherwise they would lose salvation. They repented the moment they were saved, they can not do again what they already did.

as for the question, john answered your question in his epistle.

1 john 3: 6. Whoever sins has never seen him nor known him,

1 john 3:9 whoever has been born of God does not sin, for his seed remains in him and he can. OT live in sin, because he has been born of God.

a child of God can not live in sin, it does not mean he will be perfect, he will fall from time to time, like Moses and David and Abraham, and the person in the example you gave, but they will not live in sin as the world.


So so the answer is no, you can't live in sin if you are truly a child of God, but remember, just because one claims to be a child does not mean they are

The workers for and those who believe one can lose salvation because of sin are oblivious to the fact that our sin debt has been forever settled and paid off by Jesus on the cross.....They skip right over the fact that tje HOLY SPIRIT CONVICTS AND CONVINCES OF SIN BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME (JESUS) ......THEY KEEP NAILING JESUS TO THE CROSS EVERYTIME THEY SIN.....ignorant of the fact that the blood and righteousness of CHRIST has been applied eternally unto those who have exercised faith and that where sin abounds GRACE DID MUCH MORE ABOUND........thise who say sin leads to the loss of salvation have not fully trusted into Christ.....no matter how they slice, dice and deny......the bible is clear....WHEN I SEE THE BLOOD I WILL PASS OVER YOU!

 

[Ariel82]

Now if you junk righteousness, junk repentance and keep faith, what you have
is the world with Jesus. What an empty gospel.

The farce is you mouth off about it like you are on some great mission, but
all you are doing is standing up for compromised sinners who claim salvation.

This is a false accusation and the reason why you make folks mad.

He doesn't stand up for sinners.he stands up for Faith in Jesus and understands that includes repentance and learning to,live Godly lives thru the leading of the Holy Spirit..

Why do you keep,making false allegations about others beliefs?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Peter, you never answered my question. Where in the bible do you read the most often? I just read a chapter in Matthew.

 

[dcontroversal]

This is a false accusation and the reason why you make folks mad.

He doesn't stand up for sinners.he stands up for Faith in Jesus and understands that includes repentance and learning to,live Godly lives thru the leading of the Holy Spirit..

Why do you keep,making false allegations about others beliefs?

I know....blows my mind...I have never promoted sin or a lifestyle of sin....I have been honest about the verses that speak to sin in a believer's life and if all knew me and my life they would see this clearly...a story...After the Marine Corp i slipped into a 3 year run with drugs, immorality etc....I was raised in church, had trusted Christ as my savior and had not been in chruch or cracked a bible in like 7 years...my grandmother never gave up on me and prayed daily for me...one day out of the blue I told her I needed to get back in church....I started going and hearing the word started getting convicted by my lifestyle.....one day out of the blue I went down before the church...about 550 people in atgendabce, and on radio and cable channel 6...I APOLOGIZED FOR THE REPROACH I HAD BROUGHT UPON THE CHURCH, MY LIFESTYLE AND MY OPEN SIN....I know full well my weaknesses and my strenghts...I am a saved child of God who has areas that I stand strong in by Jesus and I have weaknesses that I fail in, but have always acknolwedged who I am and that without JESUS WE ARE ALL LOST.....my salvation is secure in Christ, this does not mean I will not fail in some form or fashion.........

 

[PeterJens]

This post proves beyond a doubt you are a liar and a deceiver and all who can read KNOW I do not push the lies you spew in this post!

All you have proved is you are calling me a liar and deceiver.
What have I lied about?
Do you believe that christians should not be sexually immoral,
liars, greedy, embezzelers? Because all of you fail to talk about
sin and morality, the real hard nosed facing the sin in the heart, purifying
the soul, learning how to love, to reach out and encourage.

It is just this continual warfare. It is not as if you are even winning the argument,
because you are not even putting forward a case.

These points are simple.

By the way I have faced people who do not answer the moral case because they do
not have one, and use the assumption, ofcourse we condemn evil behaviour, but in
truth, it is sin forgiven, and a personal affair between them and God.

Even going around saying we are following the father of lies, is rather lame.
Do you know how to talk morality and real reference points?
Maybe homosexuals are ok, but pedophiles are not? Maybe porn is for smoothing
over sexual problems, but abortion is just too brutal. And so what if people have
serial relationships, they are not married after all, and the occasional accident, it
happens. What about LGBT rights, or those lefty liberals? A call to arms is the
next cry or civil war? You may not have noticed you are a right wing conservative
who is blowing up their morality foundations. It is like watch a self demolition job
in slow motion.

A film you must watch, Get Me Roger Stone, the great deception by Trump of the
evangelical vote. It is the same as the celebrity preachers, the worldly success
of money and power put into a christian skin. And yes the world will fall, greed
and evil will be judged but those who walk a righteous walk in Christ will be
saved.

 

[dcontroversal]

I know....blows my mind...I have never promoted sin or a lifestyle of sin....I have been honest about the verses that speak to sin in a believer's life and if all knew me and my life they would see this clearly...a story...After the Marine Corp i slipped into a 3 year run with drugs, immorality etc....I was raised in church, had trusted Christ as my savior and had not been in chruch or cracked a bible in like 7 years...my grandmother never gave up on me and prayed daily for me...one day out of the blue I told her I needed to get back in church....I started going and hearing the word started getting convicted by my lifestyle.....one day out of the blue I went down before the church...about 550 people in atgendabce, and on radio and cable channel 6...I APOLOGIZED FOR THE REPROACH I HAD BROUGHT UPON THE CHURCH, MY LIFESTYLE AND MY OPEN SIN....I know full well my weaknesses and my strenghts...I am a saved child of God who has areas that I stand strong in by Jesus and I have weaknesses that I fail in, but have always acknolwedged who I am and that without JESUS WE ARE ALL LOST.....my salvation is secure in Christ, this does not mean I will not fail in some form or fashion.........

Wow....I was in a hurry and butchered ATTENDANCE HAHA

 

[Ariel82]

Do you believe that christians should not be sexually immoral,
liars, greedy, embezzelers?

Seriously, you still have to ask this?

NO ONE PROMOTES SIN!!!

Folks do not tell folks they should be those things!

Why is it so,hard to believe?

And you wonder,why,you make people, MAD?

EVERYONE IS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIANS YET LIVE AS sexually immoral,
liars, AND greedy embezzelers.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

all of us deserve hell

but God was so merciful he sent Jesus to pay a price so high
it can cover any sin ever made by all men and women

when we have faith in him
its not dead faith

God sends a call to all and reveals to us that Jesus is the way
and those who accept this are given a new heart
after this
the things we once took pleasure in
now hurt us to do
and we feel conviction to turn from them

if we grow in the word and continue to follow Jesus and seek Gods will for us
this is practicing righteousness

we start to turn from sin

like swearing
vengence
masterbation
fornication
false idols (sports,games, movies)

and it becomes not a burden
but a joy when we overcome sin through christ who strengthens us

i believe it is possible to walk holy as Job did

but this isnt what earns salvation
it shows our fruit


i think God preserved his Word
and the bible is meant to be taken literally

(unless its obvious hyperbole)

 

[NoNameMcgee]

who disagrees with anything i said

and where was i wrong


use scripture for correction please

this is for me to test your spirits as well as correction

 

[blue_ladybug]

I've had enough of disagreeing with people for today.. But I'll be back tomorrow.. lol

 

[Ugly]

Well idols are anything we set above God. Church could be an idol even. Sports are not an idol, but can become one, same with many other things. Perhaps this is what you meant but your wording didn't make it clear.

 

[PeterJens]

This is a false accusation and the reason why you make folks mad.

He doesn't stand up for sinners.he stands up for Faith in Jesus and understands that includes repentance and learning to,live Godly lives thru the leading of the Holy Spirit..

Why do you keep,making false allegations about others beliefs?

Ariel when people will not repent, or say the repent by changing their minds,
have no sorrow about sin or its consequences, are not commited to dealing with
sin, sin by sin, and walking righteously, why should I believe a word they say.

A common phrase used in christian circles is a short account with God.
But now this way of walking with Christ is evil. There is so much deception and
lying it is impossible to make sense, so I just call Gods word Gods word.

I make a simple challenge. What is ones moral stand, on what moral basis is it?
Silence. Who is accepted in the Kingdom, a mass murderer, a prostitute or repentant
righteous people? These are not difficult questions, but silence. And silence implies
guilt, and failure. Tell me which list of banned people from heaven are wrong?
Tell me how sinners will be allowed into the Kingdom of light and not only the
redeemed righteous who have been proven true?

Again not difficult challenges. If one is bound by sin daily, deal with it, work through
the issues, read the bible, start believing it. It is obvious a lot of people do not know
scripture that well and rely on their teachers to interpret it for them. Not surprising
there is so much confusion and heresy then.

Being called the enemy of God and the gospel is enough to just say, prove your points
show the way in the word, because I know where and why I stand, and it is not just
me it is millions of believers just like me. Too many are just numb from this rebellion
and evil, defamation of clear truth and scripture, with no fear or respect.

I know the assumption game, I just declare my faith. If you hold a different view prove
it, or admit your foundation is flawed.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Well idols are anything we set above God. Church could be an idol even. Sports are not an idol, but can become one, same with many other things. Perhaps this is what you meant but your wording didn't make it clear.

if you study the word for 10 hours

and watch sports for 1 hour

did you put sports above God?


yes for 1 hour

i mean to me i was called to give up mma

maybe because its violent

ill back off on this
its not the main focus of my question

and your arent wrong in your definition

 

[Ariel82]

I make a simple challenge. What is ones moral stand, on what moral basis is it?

One they have answered over and over again,but you ignore.

 

[Ariel82]

Totally missed this personal testimony?

I started going and hearing the word started getting convicted by my lifestyle.
....

...I APOLOGIZED FOR THE REPROACH I HAD BROUGHT UPON THE CHURCH, MY LIFESTYLE AND MY OPEN SIN....I know full well my weaknesses and my strenghts...I am a saved child of God who has areas that I stand strong in by Jesus and I have weaknesses that I fail in, but have always acknolwedged who I am and that without JESUS WE ARE ALL LOST

 

[PeterJens]

Seriously, you still have to ask this?

NO ONE PROMOTES SIN!!!

Folks do not tell folks they should be those things!

Why is it so,hard to believe?

And you wonder,why,you make people, MAD?

EVERYONE IS AGAINST PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIANS YET LIVE AS sexually immoral,
liars, AND greedy embezzelers.

Ariel you are assuming again.
You are dealing with people of a different faith, different foundations and outlooks.
They have changed the words and the morality.

I was told if a preacher was an adulterer, sorted his life out, he should be given
a second chance. Sin, repentance, a moral stand was irrelevant, it is just letting
people do what they do and do not judge or even get involved, they are Gods
anointed, above your pay grade to even question....

Because the label says christian, it can still be from the pit of hell.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Totally missed this personal testimony?

who said that?

 

[Ariel82]

What you seem to say by not acknowledging what others have said is that WHAT YOU BELIEVE is radically different from their beliefs...than tell them to prove you wrong.

Bad cycle.

When will it stop?

 

[PeterJens]

Peter, you never answered my question. Where in the bible do you read the most often? I just read a chapter in Matthew.

Pauls letters, ephesians, the gospel of John, Psalms, the prophets.