Not By Works

unclesilas · Feb 13, 2019

Absolutely. (Acts 11:17; Romans 8:9-10; Ephesians 1:13).

It amazes how cynics are always looking for a way to disprove eternal security of the believer. I've heard three different interpretations for Hebrews 6:4-6. These Hebrews who fell away were never truly saved to begin with, hypothetical view, loss of salvation view. The loss of salvation view is inconclusive.

Show me one verse in the Bible that specifically says a really "saved" person really "lost their salvation." I got off that roller coaster ride of fear and bondage to insecurity upon my conversion after leaving the RCC. Is a shallow commitment a true commitment? It wasn't for Judas Iscariot (who was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus - John 6:64-71; 13:10-11) or these so called disciples who left Jesus and walked with Him no more in John 6:64-66.

God does not forsake His saints/they are preserved forever (Psalm 37:28); Jesus' sheep will never perish or be snatched from His hand (John 10:27-29); Believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession/unto the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30); Those He justified, He also glorified (Romans 8:30); He who has begun a good work in us will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ (Philippians 1:6) etc..

I believe those who make a full commitment to Gods son have eternal security. But I don't consider myself a cynic for accepting a complete bible. The verses I just quoted to you prove my point.

mailmandan · Feb 13, 2019

unclesilas said:

I have come across many cynics over the years who spend countless hours on various Bible discussion forums who try very hard to convince believers they can lose their salvation and in some cases, become belligerent when you disagree with them. When pressed further to see where these people truly stand, in many cases, I have come to discover they teach works salvation. I am not necessarily including you in with that group. You are new here and we have barely had a conversion. I was just saying...

unclesilas · Feb 13, 2019

mailmandan said:

Ah, but how many hours did I spend on another website debating LGW? And you and I, concerning grace on that subject were as one.
I am not trying to convince anyone on this website their salvation is in peril. I am simply debating the bible, and pointing out there are scriptures to support either view where osas is concerned.

dcontroversal · Feb 13, 2019

You can type in NEON signs and letters as big as the Holly Wood sign pal and that does not change that I believe...

a. In eternal security
b. A losable salvation is just another false gopel

Get your fact straight or be found a liar just like your other buddy.......

unclesilas · Feb 13, 2019

dcontroversal said:

You also believe the new covenant was written to jews who wanted an inferior way

mailmandan · Feb 13, 2019

unclesilas said:

So you are also a member of Christian Forums. I went round and round with LGW on Christian Chat (prior to him getting banned) and also on Christian Forums. He continues to terrorize Christian Forums with his perverted gospel of salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works."

unclesilas · Feb 13, 2019

mailmandan said:

Yep, and every thread he starts comes back to saturday sabbath, that I know of anyway

eternally-gratefull · Feb 13, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Amen

Anyone can pick and chose verses in the bibles to support any belief system, but it does not make them right. The bible is one logos. and must be treated as one Logos it can not contradict itself and it must harmonize. This verse may say one thing, but if it contradicts another passage, then we must humble ourselves and know it is not the word that contradicts, but our interpretation of the word.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 13, 2019

mailmandan said:

oh boy, You just brought up some bad memories..lol

dcontroversal · Feb 13, 2019

mailmandan said:

AMEN or lie like dogs --->Post 84996

Both of these guys that have been burning up this thread are as honest as most politicians.......One thing I cannot stand....a religionist that lies like a dog, twists what we say and then in their mind they they have caught us in something.....just like last night........takes what I said, twists it and goes off on some rant claiming I said something I did not say....and when some step up and say...HE did not say they they go off on another rant saying your just trying to rescue you buddy....

The absolute truth.....to a man or woman so far on this site, the ones that peddle a losable salvation have done several of the things they say can cause one to lose salvation.........

pure idiocy!!

dcontroversal · Feb 13, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

You believe these guys......why is it the ones that peddle a losable salvation are some of the most dishonest people on this site......in that one post he accused me of something I never said and then flat lied about what I did say..........no honesty, no integrity and doing that which he states can cause the loss of salvation.........

Goodnewsman · Feb 13, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

You too are double minded

Earlier you told me that God would punish his children for living in rebellion and sin.....as a father does his child

HOW CAN GOD PUNISH, CHASTISE, OR EVEN BRING THOSE SINS UP TO YOU IF HE HAS ALREADY FORGIVEN THEM BEFORE YOU COMMIT THEM

THIS IS A NONSENSICAL ARGUMENT...SURELY YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THAT

According to the way you believe there is absolutely nothing God can or will do with the sins of a Christians

If I commit murder God could say nothing.......after all it was forgiven before I did it

If I commit adultery God would have to look away and say nothing..... after all it was forgiven before I did it

I'm starting to see why you guys love this stuff so much!!!!!

You get the best of both worlds... Do anything you want here on Earth, commit all the sins you want.......die and still go to heaven

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:25 KJV

Sins that are past!!!!!!

unclesilas · Feb 13, 2019

I wrote:

. Well I gave you an opportunity to explain to me the foundation upon which the new covenant stands(I quoted Heb10:16&17) and its application in the believers life, and you cannot do it can you. You cannot get anymore basic than the basics of the christian faith. And as you cannot even do that, who is on the milk?

dcon responded:

Let me tell you pal....yanking two verses out of the midst of HEBREWS which was written to JEWISH believers that wanted to go back under an inferior way to PROVE or ASK for my view on the foundation of the NEW COVENANT does not qualify as a valid question.......

I wrote in response:

You haven't got a clue have you. Were the Corinthians also Jewish?

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.2Cor3:3

dcon responded:

I got a clue you quoted HEBREWS......

This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’[b]

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more. Heb10:16&17

eternally-gratefull · Feb 13, 2019

dcontroversal said:

like I said, I have the one on ignore now. The fastest to hit my ignore bin, Not gonna start for self righteous people who lie and slander others and belittle them because they do not get their way. The other I am still hoping to have a potite conversation and see where it leads. Only time will tell.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 13, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I am stating publically that you are a liar....I never said that........

Let me tell you pal....yanking two verses out of the midst of HEBREWS which was written to JEWISH believers that wanted to go back under an inferior way to PROVE or ASK for my view on the foundation of the NEW COVENANT does not qualify as a valid question...….

He's right.

unclesilas · Feb 13, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Slander others??? You're kidding right, shall I put all your posts up with the continuous slanderous remarks you made about me? A very hypocritical statement

Macabeus · Feb 13, 2019

gb9 said:

DCON was the one who mentioned years, NOT ME.

God lied post 596 and 600

And I am not arguing against the possibility of a believer Becoming unfruitful. I am arguing against it takes many years for a believer to bear fruit

You moved the goalpostd

dcontroversal · Feb 13, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Highly unlikely...........he already is mouthing again.....these guys that believe a losable salvation are as dense as lead.....

God only whips children he receives....and he only whips for one reason........just another religionist

Macabeus · Feb 13, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

God lied post 596 and 600

Read them

GodsGrace101 · Feb 13, 2019

unclesilas said:

This thread is 3 years and going strong.
You're right about EVERYTHING....
But it's a waste of time.....

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