Not By Works
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I am assuming that you are unaware that you are repeating a lie. That is PURELY A LIE perpetrated by Armenian's to advance their twisted cause, hurled at Calvinists. SOME even NEW IT WAS A LIE, and OTHERS IGNORANTLY REPEATED THE LIE, and NEVER REALIZING IT WAS A DELIBERATE LIE.
THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH, whether you be a 5 point Calvinist or less than that, (.I only believe in 3 Points of Calvinism.), IS WE BELIEVE THAT WORKS NEVER WERE PART OF SALVATION, instead THEY ARE PART OF LOVE. In ROM. 5:5, it says we had the HOLY SPIRIT Pour GOD's LOVE into Hearts, the MOMENT WE WERE SAVED, which is BORN AGAIN. THAT LOVE, will absolutely produce the SAME KIND OF LOVE in the BELIEVER, that GOD POURED INTO our HEARTS. OUT OF THAT LOVE, WE WILLING WANT TO OBEY OUR LORD GOD, AS AN ACT OF LOVE AFTER SALVATION, AND ALSO FOR OUR BRETHREN. NO REAL BORN AGAIN BELIEVER (.WHICH INCLUDES ANY TYPE OF CALVINISTS.) WILL LOVE GOD LIKE THAT, AND OTHER TRUE BELIEVERS.
ANY WHO BELIEVE OTHERWISE, IS STILL NOT BORN AGAIN. ANY WHO BELIEVES IN WORKS TO BE ADDED IN ORDER TO FINISH YOUR SALVATION, BELIEVES IN A FALSE DOCTRINE AT LEAST, IF NOT A FULL BLOWN FALSE GOSPEL.
Back in the 1980's, we evangelicals, (men like Dr. John MacArthur Jr., Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Chuck Swindoll, Dr. Ed Young Sr., ETC.), preached NUMEROUS sermons EXPOSING the LIE that those who have accepted Christ have been given a license to sin, was never TRUE IN THE FIRST PLACE. So we evangelicals, considered that LIE, dead and buried. It has been my experience, every once and awhile, {mostly young people who do not know any better}, DIG UP THAT LIE, THAT WE THOUGHT WE HAD BURIED, and starts running off at the mouth, with it.
Now if you meant it as a JOKE . . . . . . . . . . YOU ARE NOT FUNNY!
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His promises are not yours yet if you haven't started a life of Faith and faithing . You've probably been drawn or called by the Father , He's awaiting your first act of pisteuo , your first act of Jn faithing .
Your sending a payment to Ford motor credit , and you have no contract , no covenant . Your payment isn't acceptable without a covenant , a contract , the application of Faith , pisteuo .
Your sending a payment to Ford motor credit , and you have no contract , no covenant . Your payment isn't acceptable without a covenant , a contract , the application of Faith , pisteuo .
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i'm already paid in full 
that's exactly why i try to live as pleases Him, btw --
i'm not trying to pay for the gift; i'm just grateful
that's exactly why i try to live as pleases Him, btw --
you were bought at a price; therefore honor God with your bodies
(1 Corinthians 6:20)
i'm not trying to pay for the gift; i'm just grateful
Ephesians 2:4-5 (HCSB)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love that He had for us,
5 made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace!
Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
9 not from works, so that no one can boast.
Titus 3:5 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
Luke 19:9 (HCSB)
9 “Today salvation has come to this house,” Jesus told him, “because he too is a son of Abraham.
Romans 8:24 (NASB)
24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?
Romans 3:24 (HCSB)
24 They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 3:28 (HCSB)
28 For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Galatians 5:4 (HCSB)
4 You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace.
Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
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YOU OUR OVER LOOKING IN ONE POINT, is is NOT what you do, IT IS WHY YOU DO WHAT YOU DO, the MOTIVE behind that Action:
1 Samuel 16:7 (NRSV)
7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for the LORD does not see as mortals see; they look on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart."
If your motive for doing things that Pleases the LORD, is NOT PURE LOVE FROM YOUR HEART, it is FILTHY RAGS.
Just so you KNOW, I GENUINELY SURRENDERED TO HIM OUT OF PURE LOVE when HE SAVED ME, Dec. 30, 1977,
AND I HAVE BEEN WALKING IN HIS LOVE AND, LOVING HIM, AND LOVING THE BRETHREN EVER SINCE.
Spiritual REBIRTH, happens in an moment, Sanctification of the Body is a Life Long Struggle, becoming more and more like HIM.
Dcon,
You need to calm down.
No kidding.
You're a bundle of nerves.
One day at a time, sweet Jesus.
And don't get so upset with those that disagree with you.
We're all brothers in the Lord -- just talking.
You need to calm down.
No kidding.
You're a bundle of nerves.
One day at a time, sweet Jesus.
And don't get so upset with those that disagree with you.
We're all brothers in the Lord -- just talking.
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....... you go to bible discussion forums looking for people to prove things to you before you are willing to discuss scripture with them.......but make claims that their lives and the lives of their household may depend on "researching" your claims that there is no such thing as a saved believer....
.....but.... you can't answer a single question about scripture without proof of what now?
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