Not By Works

TruthTalk · Sep 2, 2018

I believe the Bible TT, I just don't believe your religion. You say the OT is only a shadow, while the Bible says the old Priesthood was the shadow. And to be honest, you never answered my questions, you ignored them.

Paul said this about the Law and the Prophets. Will you insult him as well?

1 cor. 10:
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

You preach the OT is obsolete. I am simply showing you that the Scriptures disagree with you. I'm sorry this made you so angry. that wasn't the intent.

Your are a big phoney balony, as is your phoney balony bible nonsense.

posthuman · Sep 2, 2018

dcontroversal said:

lolol
are you suggesting that some people cut out a patch, sew it on a hole in an old dirty pair of pants, without even taking them off, and call it "new pants" ??

that .. doesn't seem right ..

gb9 · Sep 2, 2018

Studyman said:

I believe the Bible TT, I just don't believe your religion. You say the OT is only a shadow, while the Bible says the old Priesthood was the shadow. And to be honest, you never answered my questions, you ignored them.

Paul said this about the Law and the Prophets. Will you insult him as well?

1 cor. 10:
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

You preach the OT is obsolete. I am simply showing you that the Scriptures disagree with you. I'm sorry this made you so angry. that wasn't the intent.

1st Corinthians 9 - Paul states that some are under the Law, some are not. He says " I am not under the Law of God, but the Law of Christ ".

so, as usual, your attempts at deceit fall flat.

I think I might ask the site to run a espn style ticker at the bottom of your posts to run the truth and correct your lies and falsehoods and propaganda.

PS · Sep 2, 2018

Studyman said:

Seven hundred and fifty years before Jesus was born, God set out his plan of salvation. It was the Fathers will that this should happen, and rather than kick against the pricks, I accept in faith, Gods plan for my life, in this world and in the next.

I feel that for you to say Father and Son did something that was totally unnecessary, shows a dominant spirit that sets itself against the will of God in the manner of the Pharisees, thereby separating themselves from the Lord's gift of free salvation for eternity, except they repent. This is a choice you knowingly make of your own free will. I will pray for your soul.

Isa 53:1-12 KJV
(1) Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
(2) For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
(3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
(4) Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
(5) But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
(6) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
(7) He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
(8) He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
(9) And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
(10) Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
(11) He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
(12) Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

BillG · Sep 2, 2018

PS said:

Amazing verses PS.

I can't understand how it would please God to bruise him.
This was set in place the minute Adam & Eve sinned.
In fact it was set in place from the beginning, before Adam & Eve.

Genesis 3:14-15
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

This is a prophecy and picture of Jesus Christ crucified and raised from the dead hundreds of years before it happens. The bruising is the crucifixion and death of Jesus, making himself an offering for sin. The prolonging of his days is a reference to his resurrection to eternal life after death. And when it says he will see his offspring, it means that the fruit of his suffering will be many people saved from sin and death.

1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

Ephesians 1:3-5

Redemption in Christ
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Studyman · Sep 2, 2018

gb9 said:

Yes, the Messiah freed me from the death my rebellion caused me according to the Law of God. Now I am free, not to reject the Father again, but this time to serve Him. I am not ashamed of that.

BillG · Sep 2, 2018

9:19–23 I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more: Paul put his ministry of the gospel above his personal desires. He was willing to conform to the customs of other people, whether Jew or Gentile, in order to bring them to Christ. For example, in order to relate to the Jews in Jerusalem he made a Nazirite vow in the temple (Acts 21:23, 24). Around those who were under the Law—the Jews—Paul obeyed the Law. Around those who were outside the Law—the Gentiles—Paul did not observe Jewish custom. Paul clarified this, however, lest anyone misunderstand his actions. He obeyed God’s law through obedience toward Christ (v. 21). This was a broader law than the Mosaic legislation; this was the fulfillment of Christ’s will (see 11:1; Rom. 13:8; Gal. 6:2).

1 Corinthians 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

Romans 13:8

Love Your Neighbor
(cf. Mark 12:31; James 2:8)
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Galatians 6:2
2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

Studyman · Sep 2, 2018

I had forgotten how subtle and cleaver you were at changing the subject. My only reply would be to bring this back to what I was speaking to. Your statement is intellectually dishonest and you know it. But such is your custom.

Prov. 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

PS · Sep 2, 2018

Studyman said:

So you were under the law, but Christ freed you from the law, and now you put yourself back under the law!

PS · Sep 2, 2018

Studyman said:

Even turning our ear away from hearing the law is an abomination to the Lord. How much more an abomination is it not to keep the law, which no man can do.

This is why we now live under grace, but it seems you go back under the law and therefore condemn yourself!

Studyman · Sep 2, 2018

PS said:

I was dead. This is what "under the Law" in this context means. Jesus freed me from this death, not from the instructions I rebelled against. That is religious man's religious tradition, not the teaching of the Christ.

I place myself back "Under the Law" when I follow religious traditions which transgress God's Commandments, not when I strive with all my heart to serve Him now that I have been given another chance.

5 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, (dead) but under grace? (Alive) God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin (Transgression of God's laws) unto death, (Back under the Law) or of obedience unto righteousness (Repentance and forgiveness)?

Obedience to who? The Pope, mainstream religious traditions, the religious franchise with the most money?

You are free to choose these "Other voices if you want, as was Eve, but I will strive to take up my cross and "Follow Him". Who created Righteousness? Who created Holy. Certainly not the pope, and certainly not you. No offence. Should I not respect the Christ's definition of Holy?

John 17:
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word;(Written on my heart) and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Studyman · Sep 2, 2018

PS said:

Gen. 6:
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Gen. 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Again, I am left with following your religion, or the Word's of the Great God of Abraham who became Flesh to give me another chance to humble myself to Him.

I choose Life!!! You are free to choose another voice if you want.

TruthTalk · Sep 2, 2018

Dusting off my feet,

It is very hurtful enough for my spirit and soul to see studyman "trifle" with the Holy Bible like a little child playing with his new toy. But it is more than hurtful to see him toy with the Gospel that was blood bought by our Lord and Savior and whom many joyfully gave their earthly life to proclaim, repent studyman and be saved.

I pray he will not be able to display his false gospel on this beautiful Christian Forum but for a short time more.

Matthew10:14
"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the
dust off your feet."

PS · Sep 2, 2018

Studyman said:

It is like you are on a roundabout, constantly returning to your starting point, but never getting anywhere. When Jesus said "come unto me" he meant to stay with him in this present dispensation given to us, and planned for our eternal security by the Father.

Stay with the Good Shepherd who will keep you from your enemies and don't go back.

Lights out for me.

dcontroversal · Sep 2, 2018

PS said:

Exactly.........he places himself under that which he cannot keep....and he is not the only one.....!!

foolishone · Sep 2, 2018

Read Galatians 3. The gospel of Christ came at the time of Abraham from God and Abraham believed and was saved by faith in that gospel of Christ. The gospel came first and the law second. The law does not replace the gospel but was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith is come we are no longer under a schoolmaster. The covenant that God confirmed in Christ 430 years before the law, the law cannot disannul.

mailmandan · Sep 2, 2018

Studyman said:

Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" even BEFORE he built the ark. Noah was a just man and perfect “complete” (not absolutely perfect - sinless - Romans 3:23) based on his faith, not his works.

Genesis 26:3 - ..for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father. 4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Context.

*Now be sure not to ignore Genesis 15:5-6; Romans 4:2-6).

You will notice here in verse 6 that the scripture doesn't say that Zacharias and Elisabeth were sinless but rather blameless. Through their faith in the blood sacrifices (which were symbolic of Christ), God put the blame for their sins on the Lamb (John 1:29). They accepted God's way and sought to live by it, but without FAITH, they could not be considered blameless by committing theirselves to walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord

Studyman · Sep 2, 2018

TruthTalk said:

Luke 16: 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Jer. 6:
16 Thus saith the LORD, (Word which became Flesh) Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

Praise be to the Word which became Flesh, The Messiah, whose Word's Last forever. All of them.

I'm sorry you were offended by the scriptures I posted. Hopefully someday you might consider that EVERY WORD of God is truth, while the words and religious traditions of men are not.

Seohce · Sep 2, 2018

9 “And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the Lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you;

dcontroversal said:

9 “And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing mind, for the Lord searches every heart and understands every desire and every thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever.

15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

WILL ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA BE CONSIGNED TO THE FIERY LAKE OF BURNING SULFUR TOGETHER WITH ALL THE LIARS, DECEIVERS AND DISOBEDIENT SERVANTS OF A "WALKING DEAD" THEOLOGY?

8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Studyman · Sep 2, 2018

Yes, that is why God chose Him over others to build the Ark. "walking" is a work. He "walked with God", not the religions of the land.

Or Gen 12:

1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him

So God did give Abram a commandment, and unlike Eve, Abram obeyed. Shall we not also consider this along with all the other instructions God gave to Abram and he obeyed?

Why does the Word Obedience throw you all into such a tizzy. I swear, we can live by any religious life style, and be accepted by you guys, except the ONE that Jesus walked. Why would you work so hard to discourage others from Walking even as He walked? Absolutely fascinating.

Without Faith they could do nothing. What separated their religion from the Pharisees?

The Pharisees:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The Pharisees didn't know Jesus when He came.

Zechariahs:
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Zechariahs knew Jesus when He came.

What separated Eve from Abraham?

Eve:
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat

Abraham:
Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him;

Why do you guys work so hard to hide these truths? You should really think about that Dan.

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